#archiveteam 2012-12-15,Sat

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00:26 🔗 balrog_ SketchCow: re: WARC: http://code.google.com/p/theunarchiver/issues/detail?id=573
03:56 🔗 underscor I made a github repo discovery AMI, fwiw
03:57 🔗 underscor ami-55fe733c
03:57 🔗 underscor Request some t1.micro spot instances of it (5-10) for the spot price of 0.003/hr, and they'll auto-terminate once they've completed a job
03:58 🔗 underscor Low-effort way to help if you have a spare dollar or two
03:59 🔗 underscor (you can do 100 of them for ~35 cents, as an example)
04:07 🔗 Coderjoe or set the spot bid higher so they don't die. you only pay the actual current spot price
04:08 🔗 chronomex cool!
04:08 🔗 closure seems like you want them to die, since that IP is useless for an hour?
04:08 🔗 chronomex hm, using aws to run collectors of all sorts is an interesting idea
04:09 🔗 chronomex fuck the cloud before it fucks you, yes?
04:09 🔗 Coderjoe but... do i trust you enough to potentially have root access to something that costs me money?
04:09 🔗 chronomex the ever popular "why are you punching yourself" game
04:14 🔗 Coderjoe i mean, for all i know, you would start running a crapload of torrents on it
04:17 🔗 chronomex yes, I am a total asshole
04:21 🔗 godane so i got almost all episodes of dec 2010 of attack of the show
04:21 🔗 godane episodes 9 and 14 are gone
04:22 🔗 godane dec episodes 1, 3, 15 are different encodes that are not divx
04:28 🔗 underscor Coderjoe: Yeah, they're designed to die automatically after they finish
04:29 🔗 underscor Also, I didn't set the root password from whatever it is in the default Amazon linux AMI
04:29 🔗 underscor (but I suppose you'd have to trust me to believe that)
04:30 🔗 underscor Also, they have root ssh disabled anyway
04:30 🔗 underscor and password login disabled too
04:30 🔗 underscor also, I have no way of knowing when you use the AMI, so I don't know where it is
04:30 🔗 Coderjoe but you could have changed it
04:31 🔗 Coderjoe and you could have had it call home
04:31 🔗 underscor True. I suppose you'd have to spin one up and check that I'm not lying.
04:31 🔗 underscor They will terminate in ~1-4 minutes, though
04:35 🔗 underscor chronomex: Yeah, it's an easy/cheap way to use a bunch of IPs for things that are low-bandwidth
04:36 🔗 underscor I have a private AMI that runs squid whitelisted to RIT's subnet (and then reports themselves to a redis server, which adds them to a "proxy" list), for when I need to do similar things locally
04:36 🔗 chronomex heh
06:36 🔗 SketchCow Similarly, jscott shows one of the classic patterns that tended to destroy the values of that era. I've had times ("plain white background", natch) where my conviction over the rightness of an idea made me arrogant in the way that I advocated for it, and as a result the goal itself was lost to my hubris.
06:36 🔗 SketchCow jscott exemplifies this -- he claims to care about archiving the web, and I'm sure that is a sincere part of his intention. But all of us who love the web try to fight linkrot. Only Jason thinks its his unique birthright and that it's somehow going to encourage people to preserve the web if he shits on those who try to do so. It's the same pattern: An arrogant advocate, steeped in technology but bad at human interaction, undoing his own goals thro
06:36 🔗 * SketchCow slow clap
06:36 🔗 * SketchCow faster clap
06:36 🔗 * SketchCow full on standing o
06:57 🔗 BlueMax that guy seems to have a problem with prematurely ending his s
07:01 🔗 underscor SketchCow: What's that from?
07:18 🔗 chronomex BlueMax: that's cutoff.
07:18 🔗 chronomex ofc.
07:51 🔗 SketchCow jscott exemplifies this -- he claims to care about archiving the web, and I'm sure that is a sincere part of his intention. But all of us who love the web try to goekesmi fight linkrot.
07:51 🔗 SketchCow Only Jason thinks its his unique birthright and that it's somehow going to encourage people to preserve the web if he shits on those who try to do so. godane It's the same pattern: An arrogant advocate, steeped in technology but bad at human interaction, undoing his own goals through antagonizing those he should be goekesmi
07:51 🔗 SketchCow convincing.
07:51 🔗 SketchCow (roughly)
07:52 🔗 SketchCow It's a guy who I've been cold warring with for a while, but he finally snapped
08:24 🔗 nitro2k01 So what is he even complaining about?
08:24 🔗 nitro2k01 Why is it any of his business? Did he have shameful secrets about him archived? Did AT jack up his bandwidth bill?
08:51 🔗 chronomex bitches gotta bitch
08:51 🔗 chronomex else they wouldn't be bitches
09:10 🔗 Nemo_bis SketchCow: you around?
09:10 🔗 Nemo_bis I'd need you to delete all these items for me: https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Tex+seconda+serie+gigante%22
09:11 🔗 Nemo_bis They've been created empty by iasuploader but now I've improved my metadata and I doubt the second upload will adjust it if they already exist
09:11 🔗 Nemo_bis *ias3upload.pl
09:19 🔗 * Nemo_bis confirms that it doesn't
09:40 🔗 underscor Nemo_bis: It should smash the metadata with the new stuff
09:40 🔗 underscor We don't have an item delete button
09:40 🔗 underscor It requires manual DB fixes by the ops team
09:40 🔗 chronomex hah
11:14 🔗 fpqc hm
11:15 🔗 fpqc anybody here have lexisnexis access
11:30 🔗 fpqc I'm looking for the entirety of the speech beginning on page 16 (432) of this pdf http://www.oup.com/us/pdf/highered/ggwch8 in its entirety
11:30 🔗 fpqc the undelivered speech on the gold clause cases
11:32 🔗 fpqc Joe Kennedy said that if FDR had delivered it, he wouldn't have been surpised if the public would burn the supreme court in effigy
11:32 🔗 fpqc lol
11:33 🔗 fpqc I have a lexisnexis address for it
11:33 🔗 fpqc http://www.lexisnexis.com/us/lnacademic/frame.do?tokenKey=rsh-23.699935.4693056479&target=results_DocumentContent&reloadEntirePage=true&rand=1223252804529&returnToKey=20_T4737626527&parent=docview
11:33 🔗 fpqc pulled it off some jerk's term paper
11:38 🔗 ats I don't think that link's very helpful -- most of that is just session IDs, etc.
11:38 🔗 ats (it just goes back to the search form on UK L-N, anyway)
11:39 🔗 ats does the reference give a title or anything?
11:41 🔗 fpqc It's listed in the FDR archives
11:41 🔗 fpqc as 768 Proposed Gold Clause Speech
11:41 🔗 fpqc in the master speech record
11:42 🔗 fpqc http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/archives/pdfs/findingaids/findingaid_roos_masterspeechfile.pdf
16:37 🔗 chazchaz Is the github-download-grab still ongoing?
17:45 🔗 dashcloud this project looks interesting: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/garymcgath/files-that-last
18:05 🔗 VonGuard holy shit sketchcow
18:05 🔗 VonGuard i'm gonna strangle Sellam
18:05 🔗 VonGuard that collection drove him insane!
18:05 🔗 VonGuard there are 4 odyssey's there and 3 rifles for them
18:05 🔗 VonGuard we gotta save that shit
18:23 🔗 dashcloud so, what exactly are you talking about- got a link or something?
18:31 🔗 VonGuard lol
18:31 🔗 VonGuard vintage.org
18:31 🔗 VonGuard being evicted
18:31 🔗 VonGuard http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/2533384722/
18:31 🔗 VonGuard that warehouse is being scrapped
18:41 🔗 dashcloud damn'
18:41 🔗 VonGuard yeah
18:41 🔗 chronomex D: why?
18:41 🔗 VonGuard it's not goode
18:41 🔗 VonGuard because Sellam is broke
18:42 🔗 VonGuard and the landlord thinks it's all garbage
18:42 🔗 chronomex oh.
19:19 🔗 Nemo_bis I hate Twitter search.
19:20 🔗 Nemo_bis How do I dump a whole account's tweets in some HTML or whatever page?
19:22 🔗 Nemo_bis Trying http://pastebin.com/zK3ZYaS8
19:25 🔗 Nemo_bis It doesn't seem to work.
19:31 🔗 Nemo_bis Sigh, the best is googling with site:
19:43 🔗 Nemo_bis I still din't find SketchCow's ISO creation wondermachine photos. Oh well.
19:43 🔗 Nemo_bis I wonder what's the purpose of packaging archive.org stuff in homemade torrents like this http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7790414/OMNI_Magazine_1978--1995
19:48 🔗 SketchCow I see VonGuard is gone already?
19:59 🔗 SketchCow Nice.
20:06 🔗 SketchCow "Hi, everyone, you have absolutely no details about any of this situation but I'm going to go full-on-postal on it"
20:11 🔗 Ymgve Nemo_bis: maybe someone doesn't trust archive.org to be around
20:12 🔗 SketchCow On the initial level, they're right to do it - we already took a couple issues down due to Harlan Ellison
20:12 🔗 SketchCow But since the original source of this WAS a torrent, and THAT has ALL the issues, then they're silly
20:13 🔗 Nemo_bis Not only that, he also converted them to some idiotic format. :D
20:13 🔗 SketchCow But there's no linkage from the original archive.org items saying what torrent it came from, so of course they don't know that, and not everyone has the clarity to research.
20:13 🔗 Ymgve it's piratebay, what else would you expect
20:14 🔗 SketchCow I'm just explaining why they did that.
20:14 🔗 SketchCow I expect it'll keep happening now and then
20:18 🔗 SketchCow So, nemo
20:18 🔗 SketchCow Do you TRY to be a needler?
20:18 🔗 SketchCow I always wondered if this was a european thing. Europeans do it
20:18 🔗 Zebranky SketchCow: Saw the letter@ tweet. Don't know if the letter-writer needs any particular credentials, but I can do it.
20:18 🔗 SketchCow Like, maybe that's just how things are spoken, and it's like an accent, and I should ignore it.
20:19 🔗 SketchCow E-mail me
20:21 🔗 Nemo_bis SketchCow: I doubt it's an European thing, it's just me I think. :-) What did I do wrong this time?
20:21 🔗 SketchCow My theory is when I see over 100 europeans do it over the course of 10 years, it's a european thing
20:22 🔗 Nemo_bis Europeans feel the same about me, so probably not in this case.
20:22 🔗 Nemo_bis But yes, might be a factor, who knows.
20:22 🔗 SketchCow Well, no, I think you do it to each other, and it's OK
20:22 🔗 Nemo_bis ahah
20:23 🔗 SketchCow But in the US, if you go "So, when you finally show some progress on X ;)" the ;) actually translates to "You are a fuck"
20:23 🔗 Nemo_bis I ensure you Europeans feel the same about USA
20:23 🔗 Nemo_bis Ah
20:23 🔗 SketchCow You are, I am sure, completely aware of how busy I am and that I am in fact getting a lot done.
20:24 🔗 Nemo_bis Needless to say.
20:24 🔗 SketchCow And I am prioritizing highest return on smallest personal effort, so the most things get done.
20:24 🔗 Nemo_bis Really, it was just a way to help me find that post again
20:24 🔗 SketchCow So I've been adding piles and piles of magazines and materials from already extant scanning projects, because those are done. Same with CD-ROM ISOs and audio and other things.
20:24 🔗 Nemo_bis Because twitter's search is so horrible.
20:25 🔗 SketchCow So at some point, I will go from having none of your CD-ROMs online to all of them online
20:33 🔗 SketchCow So writing that you're waiting on sending me the next batch until I show action on the current batch is relatively short sighted.
20:35 🔗 SketchCow Oh, and then posting something on my flickr stream under a photo I had of some CD-ROMs, also demanding to know the status. Not cool.
20:35 🔗 SketchCow Especially since... news flash... that's not my CDs
20:39 🔗 Nemo_bis I wasn't "demanding to know the status". :-O
20:40 🔗 SketchCow "How many of those do you still have to rip and put on archive.org? :)"
20:40 🔗 Nemo_bis That's because I expect them to be very few.
20:41 🔗 Nemo_bis And asking a question is not "demanding" something
20:41 🔗 SketchCow Again, the :)
20:41 🔗 SketchCow 14:34 <@SketchCow> Do you TRY to be a needler?
20:41 🔗 SketchCow This is why I was asking.
20:41 🔗 SketchCow I decided that maybe you didn't know you were doing this.
20:42 🔗 Nemo_bis As I said, it's involuntary
20:42 🔗 Nemo_bis And no, I'm not waiting on anything to send you more stuff.
20:43 🔗 Nemo_bis I only had some problems with our post company bureaucracy, I spent 6 hours in the village of their hub near the airport that day. :D
20:44 🔗 SketchCow Man, you must live in some really crazy village
20:45 🔗 Nemo_bis The posts are crazy
20:47 🔗 Nemo_bis That's why now that I learnt I want to ship as much stuff as possible, to have make those hours worth it. ^^
21:08 🔗 Nemo_bis "They haven't made any torrents available, and their archive is a little hard to read because you have to pick through the whole run of the magazine in reverse chronological order. So, I downloaded all of the PDFs and packed them into a single torrent."
21:43 🔗 Nemo_bis Hmm ias3upload.pl is actually expected *not* to keep existing metadata
21:43 🔗 Nemo_bis my $keepExistingMetadata = 0;
21:47 🔗 SketchCow 26 Creative Computing Magazines now uploaded.
21:49 🔗 DFJustin very cool
21:50 🔗 DFJustin ahl's "BASIC Computer Games" was my first exposure to programming, but the magazine itself was gone before my time
22:09 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, you should read them, they're vastly superior things.
22:10 🔗 SketchCow Like I've been saying like a broken record - there's NO reason for this to have been left behind like it has.
22:53 🔗 alard http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-github-repository-index-201212
23:17 🔗 soultcer It's amazing what you can achieve when you have a couple hosts from different IPs willing to execute any command you throw at them :D
23:24 🔗 Baljem good grief, the github grab's made some progress since I left for dinner. nice work.
23:37 🔗 Nemo_bis uuh illegal characters flood https://www.us.archive.org/log_show.php?task_id=135849784

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