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00:13
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omf_ |
Anyone in here have experience supporting CJK? I am still missing some fonts in my screenshots |
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00:14
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omf_ |
I am using sazanami-gothic-fonts sazanami-mincho-fonts but it is not providing enough character coverage |
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00:14
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chronomex |
hmmm |
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00:14
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chronomex |
you should install 'unifont' as a final backstop |
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00:15
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omf_ |
no package for that on fedora |
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00:16
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chronomex |
strange |
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00:16
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chronomex |
well, keep looking, it's an attempt to have all the characters in at least a bitmap form |
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00:16
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omf_ |
each time I pull new fonts in the rest got better |
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00:17
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chronomex |
cool |
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00:23
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omf_ |
cjkuni-ukai-fonts cjkuni-uming-fonts got me even further |
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01:08
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DFJustin |
omf_: I do |
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01:08
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DFJustin |
don't use unifont it's neat for what it is but it looks like ass compared to a real font and isn't updated |
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01:09
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balrog |
is wqy-unibit-fonts in fedora? |
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01:09
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balrog |
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/wqy-unibit-fonts |
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01:10
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omf_ |
yes balrog |
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01:10
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balrog |
do you have it? |
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01:10
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balrog |
that includes unifont |
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01:10
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balrog |
plus updates |
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01:11
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omf_ |
This is what I am using now and they good sazanami-gothic-fonts sazanami-mincho-fonts cjkuni-ukai-fonts cjkuni-uming-fonts wqy-zenhei-fonts |
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01:12
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DFJustin |
as you probably noticed a font designed for japanese like sazanami will be missing a lot of chinese-only characters |
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01:13
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omf_ |
yeah mutltiple fonts to cover the bases |
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01:14
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DFJustin |
if you get a japanese font, a simplified chinese, and a traditional chinese that should cover 99% of real world text |
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01:15
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DFJustin |
I don't recognize the chinese face names offhand to know what's simplified and what's traditional |
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01:15
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DFJustin |
if you want the wacky extended stuff no one uses there's http://vietunicode.sourceforge.net/fonts/fonts_hannom.html |
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01:16
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DFJustin |
extensions C and D exist now but even less than no one use them and I don't know of fonts offhand |
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01:16
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omf_ |
I did it via trial and error |
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01:17
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omf_ |
had pages that looked bad, searched around, installed a font, reloaded. If it looked better I moved on |
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01:17
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omf_ |
Russia and Farsi were no trouble |
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01:17
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DFJustin |
farsi is harder than you might think |
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01:18
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DFJustin |
arab fonts do certain things wrong for farsi but it's an uphill battle and farsi readers are probably used to it by now |
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01:18
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omf_ |
Considering the number of projects to have a full unicode font, it is frustrating |
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01:19
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omf_ |
I mean projects to build a full unicode font |
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01:20
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DFJustin |
yeah there's unifont which is nice but bitmap and not updated, code2000 which looks like shite, freesans/freeserif/etc. which last I checked had various bugs and were completely unhinted |
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01:21
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DFJustin |
I think nowadays the thinking is to have good script-specific fonts rather than trying to cram everything into one huge font that does everything poorly and takes all your ram |
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01:21
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omf_ |
It makes sense considering how big unicode is |
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01:21
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DFJustin |
ttf can't have more than 65,536 characters so you can't even fit it all in one font anyway |
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01:21
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omf_ |
There should be a list somewhere of a "Cover all your bases font list" |
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01:23
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DFJustin |
there's http://unifont.org/fontguide/ but it's out of date and not really succinct enough for that purpose |
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01:24
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omf_ |
I'll know by the end of this screenshot project |
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01:25
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omf_ |
pages covered in blank squares are evil |
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01:25
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DFJustin |
SIL has the best quality stuff for minority languages http://scripts.sil.org/FontDownloads |
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01:30
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omf_ |
I was thinking about installing every font on there but i know that would be problematic |
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01:37
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DFJustin |
yeah then you get stuff like fallback fonts and systems are not always good at assigning priority appropriately |
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01:38
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chronomex |
right, when you install all the fonts everything that doesn't exactly specify what fonts it wants will look like crap |
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01:56
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dashcloud |
so, this might be of interest to some folks: http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2013/04/adobe-blank-redux.html a font that has All Unicode code points are covered & All code points are rendered using a non-spacing and non-marking glyph. |
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02:00
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balrog |
I've had it with all these "preservationists" who keep their dumping tools private |
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02:01
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dashcloud |
any particular incident that set you off? |
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02:01
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balrog |
see forums.bannister.org shoutbox |
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02:01
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balrog |
hopefully it didn't scroll off by now |
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02:03
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balrog |
probably did |
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02:03
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balrog |
this software called TruRip for ripping CDs |
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02:03
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balrog |
it's supposed to be the best but the group that made it absolutely refuses to release it |
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02:04
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dashcloud |
that's fascinating the level groups are going to now to ensure things are legit |
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02:04
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omf_ |
If they cannot produce results they are full of shit |
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02:04
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balrog |
they produce rips |
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02:04
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balrog |
but won't provide their tools |
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02:05
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omf_ |
I mean produce the program so others can verify it |
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02:05
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balrog |
this is sorta like SPS but SPS was forced to produce some stuff |
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02:05
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dashcloud |
isn't SPS the group that does Kyroflux? |
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02:05
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chronomex |
think so |
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02:05
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balrog |
yeah... they at least have released something |
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02:06
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balrog |
though they still want people to send disk images to them for processing with their unreleased analysis software |
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02:07
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balrog |
well you can get it if you're an institution or business and have something like $3500/yr to spend |
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02:08
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balrog |
which also is a condition of using the KF hardware for commercial or institutional uses ... but this has already gone far enough OT |
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02:17
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omf_ |
Thanks for the orgy of font information. I feel more knowledgeable already |
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02:19
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dashcloud |
if you're dumping floppies (in my case 3.5'' dos/windows-formatted ones), it's nice to be able to see what's on the images and get some basic info about them quicky- 7z can tell you about some images, and mtools is invaluable for working with DOS/Windows formatted floppies/images |
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02:48
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dashcloud |
so, I got a note from TiVo telling me they are pulling the downloads for TiVo desktop by June 5, 2013- I grabbed a copy of the software (it's free) and you may want to as well: https://www3.tivo.com/store/accessories-software.do |
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03:12
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DFJustin |
throw it on ia |
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03:17
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sterdgsrt |
WHAT FORSOOTH, PRITHEE TELL ME THE SECRET WORD |
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03:17
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sterdgsrt |
wait "we rescue your shit" hahahahhahahahaha |
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03:18
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sterdgsrt |
This is why I never use IRC |
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03:18
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sterdgsrt |
hellllooooooooooooooooo |
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03:18
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chronomex |
sterdgsrt: yahoosucks |
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03:18
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chronomex |
chill out, not everyone is watching all the time |
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03:18
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sterdgsrt |
cool there's someone else alive |
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03:18
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sterdgsrt |
k im chill |
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03:18
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chronomex |
lots of people at the moment, I would venture |
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03:19
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chronomex |
k |
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03:20
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sterdgsrt |
el graciar chronomex |
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03:22
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DFJustin |
life tip: irc does not work like yelling into a room, you may have to leave the window open in the background for a few hours to get an answer depending on the channel |
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03:27
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chronomex |
correct |
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04:19
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SketchCow |
Fire, fire everywhere |
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04:19
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SketchCow |
That font discussion could have stood a transition to -bs |
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04:23
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chronomex |
maybe, maybe not |
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04:23
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chronomex |
it was at least marginally on topic |
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04:29
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omf_ |
The posterous screenshots no longer have bad glyphs in them |
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04:32
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godane |
now this may explain spark having problems |
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04:33
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godane |
the one of the interviews was last modifed around 2013-04-18 |
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04:33
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godane |
this interview is from 2009 |
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07:35
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Nemo_bis |
alard: what's the simplest example of one of your crawlers to list URLs/IDs to grab? |
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07:36
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Nemo_bis |
(searching for some strings on Google or other search engine) |
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10:05
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jonas__ |
hello |
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11:09
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Nemo_bis |
hi jonas__ |
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14:15
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DFJustin |
https://archive.org/details/hotu_dos_2006 |
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15:05
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Rugby |
DocCool.com, a forum for people cheating in relationships, has closed. Forums are still readable for the time being. |
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15:46
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SketchCow |
GRAB IT |
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15:46
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SketchCow |
JUST DON'T TELL THE WIFE |
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17:05
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jonas__ |
what about kids.yahoo.com? |
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17:21
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balrog |
http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_Optical_Media in case anyone is interested in helping out |
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17:50
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andy0 |
I have several CD's in flac + cue that I could send somewhere ... |
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17:50
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Smiley |
andy0: upload erm |
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17:50
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Smiley |
em* |
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17:52
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andy0 |
how? & where? |
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18:00
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Smiley |
archive.org |
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18:00
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Smiley |
hit upload button |
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18:38
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underscor |
<balrog> omf_: I've heard that FurAffinity has had similar internal political issues for what, the past 2 years? Not that I have an account there, as I don't |
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18:38
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underscor |
We should warriorize a backup of that |
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18:39
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* |
Smiley wishes to learn how to do this process. |
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18:39
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Smiley |
theres also that pouet site. which I'm grabbing a warc of... :/ |
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18:41
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balrog |
underscor: expect significant resistance |
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18:41
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balrog |
some people wrote a FA -> Weasyl migrator, they broke it by mucking with html tags |
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18:42
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underscor |
Oh, yes |
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18:42
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underscor |
I am *very* intimately familiar with the drama there, along with all the shit with yak |
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18:42
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underscor |
and |
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18:42
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underscor |
ugh |
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18:42
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underscor |
it all sucks |
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19:12
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Smiley |
o_O |
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19:13
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* |
Smiley continues to not understand that place |
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21:12
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jdunck |
balrog cool, you mean help building that list, or actually ripping? |
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21:12
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balrog |
building for now |
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21:12
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balrog |
I'm working on ripping methods too |
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21:12
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balrog |
are you interested? |
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21:18
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jdunck |
I'm interested in the issue of digital archiving (obviously). i don't know much about optical media in particular. |
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21:18
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mistym |
balrog: Hm, I could have sworn I had an AT wiki account. Anyway I'll try to find it when I get home and add something or two to the list after |
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21:18
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balrog |
ok |
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21:18
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jdunck |
i do know that all of this rogue-archivist stuff is skirting the law in lots of areas. |
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21:18
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chronomex |
yeah well |
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21:19
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jdunck |
(bit-for-bit copies are scary to the rightsholders) |
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21:19
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balrog |
eh, it's been happening for years and years |
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21:19
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jdunck |
libraries should be pushing for this stuff. most are clueless that this is the new library system. |
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21:19
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mistym |
In my experience analogue archivists also tend to break the law on a regular basis but aren't always aware they're doing it. |
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21:19
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chronomex |
"rightsholders" usually have no leg to stand on |
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21:20
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chronomex |
especially custodians of PD works |
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21:20
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jdunck |
well anyway, a thing i like about archiveteam is that they aren't asking. |
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21:20
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jdunck |
it's the right thing to do, so do it. |
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21:20
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jdunck |
they/we/you/us, not sure the right collective noun to use :P |
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21:29
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ersi |
mistym: It might have been deleted after the spam clearout, by mistake |
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21:29
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mistym |
Good point, maybe I should just reregister. |
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21:29
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ersi |
Any wiki admins around and can check if mistym's account's still there? |
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21:29
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Smiley |
hmmm |
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21:29
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Smiley |
I had my rights removed after. |
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21:30
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yan_ |
I get lost on the wiki every time |
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21:30
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ersi |
Smiley: Then don't bother answering that one... obviously |
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21:30
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yan_ |
looking up archived content, reading endangered content, ... |
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21:30
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Smiley |
yeah I realised after I'd said hmm :P |
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21:30
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ersi |
yan_: Anything specific that's confusing? Or do you mean some other kind of lost? :P |
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21:32
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yan_ |
ersi: yes, the other kind :) |
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21:33
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ersi |
Ah, lost in time then ;-) |
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23:26
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Ymgve |
heh, nine inch nails uploaded the infamous "broken" video to vimeo, and almost immediately it is deleted |
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23:28
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balrog |
Ymgve: "broken"? |
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23:29
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balrog |
oh |
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23:29
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Ymgve |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_(1993_film) |