#archiveteam 2015-01-23,Fri

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00:00 πŸ”— closure utzoo doesn't even get all newsgroups, for example it's missing a lot of mod.* groups currently
00:00 πŸ”— dugo plan..: ok. i'll dig a bit further through the IETF material to see if anything ever came out of his offer .. try to get the details of his caches, and if it won't add any new msg-ids prod him for the ISOs and artwork just for the heck of archiving stuff
00:00 πŸ”— closure (of course by "currently", I always mean "exactly 30 years ago")
00:01 πŸ”— dugo closure: yeah, but maybe he was just a leaf of utzoo back then .. and there are only a handfull of messages to be recovered in it
00:01 πŸ”— closure and yeah, even isos with every post the same have archival value. It would tell us how well utzoo did retain stuff
00:02 πŸ”— dugo closure: very true, and i really want to hear his story, .. man, that's like these tapes that were being flown to australia
00:03 πŸ”— dugo usenet on CD .. haha
00:03 πŸ”— closure but utzoo had disk crashes and stuff. I'll be astounded if they managed to not lose every item. They were using tapes for crying out loud ;)
00:03 πŸ”— SketchCow Anyway, the point is, archive.org will gladly host any data from anywhere that people have for anything, usenet included.
00:03 πŸ”— SketchCow So if someone wants to take that on, great.
00:04 πŸ”— SketchCow Just like I've been sitting here imaging Apple II floppies.
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00:08 πŸ”— dugo i switched off a 1TB spool in 2002 with posts going back to 1998 :-(
00:08 πŸ”— dugo http://www.restart.be/history/eunet-news.html
00:09 πŸ”— xmc :(
00:11 πŸ”— SketchCow That's how it goes
00:14 πŸ”— dugo SketchCow: yeah, one of the ways these things go .. big difference between company going bust and a company just saying, fuck yahou users..
00:14 πŸ”— SketchCow Anyway, point is, if someone wants to connect all the dots and reach out, go for it.
00:14 πŸ”— SketchCow Archive.org has a lot, and can be a good general bit
00:15 πŸ”— SketchCow In the future, a la closure's work, archive.org should really host a way to read these items.
00:16 πŸ”— * closure wonders what is the total size of all items in https://archive.org/details/usenethistorical
00:17 πŸ”— closure hmm, maybe this will tell me https://archive.org/download/usenet-metadata/original_usenet_lsaltr.txt
00:17 πŸ”— closure total 2786095064
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00:20 πŸ”— dugo when i operated that platform we assumed volume doubling every year
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00:21 πŸ”— closure looks like that is 2.5 tb compressed, if I got the block size right
00:22 πŸ”— DFJustin where: &w_collection=usenethistorical* | size: 695,311,412 KB
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00:25 πŸ”— closure hmm, I dug into the "special" collection and noticed it has some groups from before the great renaming. Looking at eg, mod.politics, it goes back to at least 1985
00:38 πŸ”— closure DFJustin: seems light
00:38 πŸ”— SketchCow Well, it compresses like crazy
00:39 πŸ”— closure oh doh, this ls is indeed uncompressed
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13:58 πŸ”— arkiver Articles like this http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/01/26/cobweb make me very proud to be a member of ArchiveTeam :)
14:02 πŸ”— SketchCow I just like having the word "shit" in the New Yorker
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16:23 πŸ”— antomatic Nice article.
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16:23 πŸ”— antomatic Snooty quote from the British Library:
16:23 πŸ”— antomatic "The U.K. has what’s known as a legal-deposit law; it requires copies of everything published in Britain to be deposited in the British Library. In 2013, that law was revised to include everything published on the U.K. Web. β€œPeople put their private lives up there, and we actually don’t want that stuff,” Andy Jackson, the technical head of the U.K. Web Archive, told me. β€œWe don’t want a
16:23 πŸ”— antomatic nything that you wouldn’t consider a publication.”
16:27 πŸ”— antomatic I had hoped they would be cooler than that, honestly. Ho hum.
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16:37 πŸ”— SketchCow Ha ha, Andy Jackson's a buddy
16:37 πŸ”— SketchCow We follow each other on the twitters.
16:37 πŸ”— SketchCow He's talking, in his way, about "hey, you don't want it saved forever, we get that"
16:39 πŸ”— Ctrl-S >:(
16:39 πŸ”— Ctrl-S save everything forever
16:40 πŸ”— Ctrl-S if privacy is a concern keep it private for a few decades/centuries
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19:16 πŸ”— antomatic Ah, OK. :)
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21:31 πŸ”— Muad-Dib http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2015/01/andreessen-horowitz-invests-in-stack-exchange/
21:31 πŸ”— Muad-Dib "For those of you who have been with us since the early days of Our Incredible Journey, thank you."
21:31 πŸ”— Muad-Dib OMG, DEY GUNNA SHUTDOWN :@
21:31 πŸ”— xmc you're shitting me
21:31 πŸ”— xmc they actually used that phrase
21:32 πŸ”— Muad-Dib that entire article is comedy gold, read it
21:32 πŸ”— Muad-Dib Everybody wants to know what weοΏ½re going to do with all that money. First of all, of course weοΏ½re going to gold-plate the Aeron chairs in the office. Then weοΏ½re going to upgrade the game room, and weοΏ½re already sending lox platters to our highest-rep users.
21:32 πŸ”— xmc hm...
21:32 πŸ”— Muad-Dib and its not even april 1st yet ._.
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