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SketchCow |
WHat |
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SketchCow |
Huh, FOS rebooted |
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SketchCow |
Must have been a system issue |
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SketchCow |
rsync is back. |
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SketchCow |
Archivebot uploader is back. |
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SketchCow |
Web server is back. |
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SketchCow |
Freeze sourceforge project to Monday |
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SketchCow |
I am sure it will take a couple days to talk to these people. |
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arkiver |
SketchCow: is it ok if I write them a mail tomorrow? |
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arkiver |
Or are you going to talk to them (might be better) |
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Sanqui |
a lot of ArchiveBot jobs seem to have terminated. |
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SketchCow |
I'm going to writeto them |
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arkiver |
Ok |
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SketchCow |
Sent him something. |
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SketchCow |
Bowing and scraping not needed. Want to find out what speed needs to be done. |
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arkiver |
Ok, good |
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Apathy_ |
how do you politely word something that says "you're fucking everything up and we want to archive it all before it goes to shit" |
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arkiver |
I hope they are cooperative |
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SketchCow |
I just said I heard we were downloading too fast, what's a good speed |
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Apathy_ |
sounds good |
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SketchCow |
If they're not coorperative, I'll make noise. |
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SketchCow |
This is not my first rodeo, and they are not my first clowns |
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arkiver |
I remember twitpic |
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SketchCow |
I'm sure we blew up their shit infrastructure |
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SketchCow |
Well, twitpic guy's an ass |
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arkiver |
SketchCow: actually I don't think we blew up anything |
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arkiver |
it was running fine |
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arkiver |
I didn't really notice any slowdowns or such things |
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arkiver |
Zoocasa started! |
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arkiver |
not in the warrior currently |
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arkiver |
#zoohouse |
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arkiver |
https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/zoocasa-grab |
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SketchCow |
Andover is obviously a company on the outs. Reduced resources, small staff. Of course their network would be the least expensive options. |
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I'm sure they saw a spike and freaked. |
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Started Halo uploading again, hopefully that will blow out soon |
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Stiletto |
sounds like Toshiba is starting to kill off support for old models: http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=43805 |
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Start |
at a first glance, everything seems to be on cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com |
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Start |
googling site:csd.toshiba.com also shows some relics of their older site |
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Start |
download pages appear to be sequential: http://support.toshiba.com/support/viewContentDetail?contentId=4006772 |
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Start |
their robots.txt prevents any downloads from going into wayback: http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/robots.txt |
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Start |
i created a wiki page for it: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Toshiba_Support |
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signius |
What is the irc channel name for the zoocasa grab? |
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Elegance |
#zoohouse |
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signius |
thanks |
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arkiver |
I'm going to look into downloading all tiles from Yahoo maps |
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arkiver |
Ok, got it. We'll download all tiles from yahoo maps |
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arkiver |
Will see about road data and streetview too in a bit |
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HCross |
Morning all. I am going to get on Zoohouse once the git downloads |
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signius |
HCross, i wouldnt bother i set it up earlier & its rate limited so hard it would be faster to archive it with a pencil & paper |
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HCross |
I can see that now |
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signius |
They told me they got it covered & to work on urlteam or something else instead |
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HCross |
I might run both at once |
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signius |
Its utter nonsense that SF reckon they was getting slammed too hard with the rsync.....i do not believe that 20 odd users with $5 VPS boxes was enough to bring them to a crawl |
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HCross |
tbh, I was using a dedi |
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signius |
yeah but that really wouldnt make any difference |
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HCross |
yeah, as it had the performance of a vps |
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arkiver |
SketchCow: we'll be getting all tiles from yahoo maps |
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arkiver |
We'll start at the highest level and go down |
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HCross |
is that what zoohouse is |
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signius |
But if they were bought to a crawl so easily they got bigger issues to worry about with their backend & network infrastructure |
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arkiver |
We might not get the lowest level, that would be tens of billions of tiles |
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signius |
HCross, zoohouse is an estate agents (i think) |
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HCross |
yeah, what is the yahoo maps one |
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signius |
arkiver, I am assuming the Yahoo Tiles grab will require some boxes with decent storage capacity |
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arkiver |
maybe, I'm not sure |
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signius |
arkiver, Well depending what happens with the sourceforge debacle the Yahoo grab is def another project i would be happy to throw some resources at |
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arkiver |
ok |
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HCross |
ditto signius |
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signius |
I do take issue with how Yahoo just kill off projects with little or no notice |
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signius |
I also have the same gripe with Google for doing the same * def want to be involved with the Google Code project when it starts |
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HCross |
seems that zoocasa doesnt like us, all my stuff is 503'ing from their end |
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HCross |
seems to be going again |
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arkiver |
scripts for the yahoo maps grab are created |
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arkiver |
testing and then we'll start |
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arkiver |
well, not yet |
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HCross |
whats the IRCD |
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HCross |
IRC I mean |
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arkiver |
SketchCow: what do you think of grabbing tiles from yahoo maps? We'll start with the highest level. The scripts are ready, so we can start immediatly |
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arkiver |
Every later of yahoomaps has (2^layernumber)^2 tiles |
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arkiver |
lowest layernumber = 0, highest layernumber = 20 |
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arkiver |
and for tile we're going to download: |
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arkiver |
http://localhost:8090/replay/20150619112120/http://1.base.maps.api.here.com/maptile/2.1/maptile/187ddf591c/normal.day/16/18667/25000/256/png8?lg=ENG&token=TrLJuXVK62IQk0vuXFzaig%3D%3D&requestid=yahoo.prod&app_id=eAdkWGYRoc4RfxVo0Z4B |
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arkiver |
http://localhost:8090/replay/20150619112120/http://1.aerial.maps.api.here.com/maptile/2.1/maptile/187ddf591c/satellite.day/16/18667/25000/256/jpg?lg=ENG&token=TrLJuXVK62IQk0vuXFzaig%3D%3D&requestid=yahoo.prod&app_id=eAdkWGYRoc4RfxVo0Z4B |
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arkiver |
http://localhost:8090/replay/20150619112120/http://1.aerial.maps.api.here.com/maptile/2.1/maptile/187ddf591c/hybrid.day/16/18667/25000/256/jpg?lg=ENG&token=TrLJuXVK62IQk0vuXFzaig%3D%3D&requestid=yahoo.prod&app_id=eAdkWGYRoc4RfxVo0Z4B |
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arkiver |
oops |
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arkiver |
http://1.base.maps.api.here.com/maptile/2.1/maptile/187ddf591c/normal.day/16/18667/25000/256/png8?lg=ENG&token=TrLJuXVK62IQk0vuXFzaig%3D%3D&requestid=yahoo.prod&app_id=eAdkWGYRoc4RfxVo0Z4B |
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http://1.aerial.maps.api.here.com/maptile/2.1/maptile/187ddf591c/satellite.day/16/18667/25000/256/jpg?lg=ENG&token=TrLJuXVK62IQk0vuXFzaig%3D%3D&requestid=yahoo.prod&app_id=eAdkWGYRoc4RfxVo0Z4B |
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http://1.aerial.maps.api.here.com/maptile/2.1/maptile/187ddf591c/hybrid.day/16/18667/25000/256/jpg?lg=ENG&token=TrLJuXVK62IQk0vuXFzaig%3D%3D&requestid=yahoo.prod&app_id=eAdkWGYRoc4RfxVo0Z4B |
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there's also live traffic, but I guess we don't need live traffic saved. It won't be really live anymore by the time yahoo maps is gone |
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WHAT FORSOOTH, PRITHEE TELL ME THE SECRET WORD |
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Lowfry: yahoosucks |
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true lol |
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arkiver, is there a channel for the yahoo map grab |
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signius: no |
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Do you need any server help for the yahoo grab |
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HCross: currently not, I do if we are going to run this project |
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ok, let me know |
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I need a "Go" from SketchCow for the yahoomaps project, because alle this is going to be hosted on archive.org |
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got a box that has direct peering with yahoo I thinj |
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HCross |
think |
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great. |
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arkiver |
SketchCow: second project is Xfire. |
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Xfire is a gaiming website with currently more then 35 million users. http://crash.xfire.com/ |
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HCross |
isnt that time warner cable or am I confusing it with something |
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It hosts screenshots, videos (million of videos) and game information. |
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arkiver |
Xfire should have shutdown 12 june, but is still online. This means it could shut down any moment now |
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arkiver |
https://twitter.com/buckleyw/status/609513240624664576 |
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SketchCow: if we are going to download all videos and screenshots from the website we are getting many TB's, probably more then 30T |
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What do you think? |
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arkiver |
Videos grab scripts is ready |
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arkiver |
Getting the rest of the website ready too |
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HCross |
just give me a shout when you are ready |
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ok |
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that sounds like a long project, we will need a ton of warriors for the xfire project |
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we usually have more warriors than a site can actually handle |
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Start |
arkiver: we should do a warrior project for support.toshiba.com |
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Start |
they've recently been purging old support downloads |
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i created a page for it: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Toshiba_Support |
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Start: the vogons thread has been updated to say two things. 1. the info is still obtainable via some of the country TLDs (ex. toshiba.co.uk) 2. some people may or may not have archived it all in years past (ie. not helpful info LOL) |
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Stiletto |
1. *some of the info |
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arkiver: why are you downloading yahoo maps |
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xmc |
they just use openstreetmap |
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xmc |
or commercial sources, i forget |
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aaaaaaaaa |
I believe Yahoo uses HERE, which provides maps for yahoo, bing, Amazon and a couple others |
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https://developer.here.com/ |
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username1 |
there are tools for tile grabbing btw |
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xmc |
yeah |
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yipdw |
yeah, HERE is fine |
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yipdw |
it's like one of a few profitable parts of Nokia |
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i don't think it's worth the time, effort, and disk space. |
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yipdw |
the map data is also utterly unusable anyway |
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yipdw |
you might as well just improve OSM |
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username1 |
map tile archiving would be awesome though since they change styles etc |
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yipdw |
that said if Yahoo stores custom layers then those are probably worth going after |
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but it is HUGE data |
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username1 |
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_disk_usage for osm |
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yipdw |
yeah, fetching map data via HTTP would be prerendering it |
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yipdw |
54,000 GB into IA is an ass move |
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yipdw |
I know HERE isn't OSM but even so |
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SimpBrain |
o.O |
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xmc |
i hate to be the cranky suspenders-wearing old man, but that's not a good idea |
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yipdw |
custom layer data e.g. KMLs or whatnot are typically much smaller *and* are a lot more interesting |
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username1 |
not to a cartographer like me ;) |
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yipdw |
so use the USGS data |
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yipdw |
or etc. |
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i wish we had google maps tiles from every year |
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username1 |
just to see how the style evolved |
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username1: you'd rather have tiles than source data? |
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xmc |
hm |
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xmc |
well, you can sample it i guess |
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username1 |
and the usability but that is even harder to capture |
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username1 |
different aspects |
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xmc |
i'm a geographer, not a cartographer :P |
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username1 |
:) |
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joepie91 |
Cyphertite is closing; https://gist.github.com/joepie91/1c659fe7704e98520e17 |
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http://www.waybackhn.com/ |
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SketchCow |
HELLO HELLO |
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SketchCow |
Zoocasa has asked us to pull back a little |
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Can we half the thing |
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arkiver |
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SketchCow: it's at 150 per minute now |
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arkiver |
however, we will not make it at that speed |
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SketchCow: have you read what I wrote about Yahoo Maps and Xfire? |
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arkiver |
Xfire should have closed june 12, 35 million users |
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arkiver: not "only" 24? |
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bzc6p: 35,783,196 |
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Arkiver - make it a quarter for now. 40 per minute. |
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SketchCow: ok |
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SketchCow |
I realize that we wouldn't make it. I'm trying to work with this guy. |
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arkiver |
they banned our useragent, I'll have to requeue some thinigs |
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arkiver |
Ok, thank you |
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SketchCow |
He did it because users couldn't get in. |
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We DPOS'd |
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Let me know, I'll mail him, he'll turn it back up |
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ok |
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Meanwhile I'll get the xfire scripts more ready, they now only support videos. |
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We need to make a decisions on that. The website is half-dead and grabbing all videos will be 10s of TBs |
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No to yahoo maps |
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ok |
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Yes to xfire |
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ok |
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Sourceforge, we're doing pre-emptive downloading, because we think they're cocks. So we can work it out. |
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But I suspect we're going to have issues with Zoocasa. |
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SketchCow |
Apparently entire computing staff is fired to one guy |
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G'day Archiveteam. |
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SketchCow |
Appreciate that you guys are archiving Zoocasa.com, but could you please throttle things back a little bit? We're getting a lot of traffic from you and archivebot simultaneously as well as the general public, but your crawlers are being too aggressive and are basically DDOSing U.S. and everyone was getting 503s while our app servers became saturated. I've had to add you to a block list at least temp |
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orarily until you can ease up a bit. Archivebot is crawling at a rate of 1.2 req/s with 4 connections and a 500-1000 ms delay if that helps, but your crawlers were just ton aggressive for our servers this week. Because we're in the middle of a shutdown there's not a lot I can do to add more resources, so if you guys could tone down your crawling a bit, I can remove the blocking. We're running at a b |
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SketchCow |
it of a disadvantage here because of the shutdown so throwing more servers at the app cluster probably won't be happening. My hands are a little tied. :/ |
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Cheers and thanks. |
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SketchCow |
- Jay |
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I see |
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I guess there's not a lot we can do there |
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Maybe they could keep it up a few days after the 22nd? |
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SketchCow: our useragent is unbanned from zoocasa. We're running at 40/min now |
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arkiver: Xfire is going to be a bitch to mirror, any help you need, let me know |
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JRWR: ok |
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zoocasa has lifted the ban |
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He says he can whip up a rule to increase bandwidth as it goes |
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he says 23rd is last day |
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I am asking about us getting some special post-shutdown. But assume it goes down |
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Your doing good work SketchCow |
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ruukasu |
what's with the multiple files here? https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_pomf |
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ruukasu: The ~3 TB of Pomf archive is stored in 22.5 GB chunks, in separate items. |
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They are already available in the Wayback Machine, though. |
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bzc6p: I tried going to a pomf link in wayback and it said it wasn't there, do I have to change the url at all? |
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ruukasu: you don't need to change the URL for wayback |
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bzc6p |
Well, maybe the wayback importing hasn't finished yet... |
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ruukasu |
yeah I've tried like 3 files from different time periods and they're all getting "page not archived" |
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It can take a few days/weeks for the warcs to be indexed by wayback. |
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SketchCow: zoocasa is currently at 40/min. can we do 300/min? or whatever it takes to get everything before the end of the 23rd? |
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xmc |
no |
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xmc |
scroll back about 4 hours |
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arkiver |
ok |
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arkiver |
#xfired for xfire! |
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arkiver |
We have started the Xfire grab! |
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arkiver |
#xfired |
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\o/ |
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Sanqui |
save all you can! |
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arkiver |
SketchCow: Xfire is running! |
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I cant seem to get wget-lua to compile on ubuntu 15.04 |
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Kazzy |
pastie an error log, JRWR |
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JRWR |
POD document had syntax errors at /usr/bin/pod2man line 71 |
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recompiling now, ill pull a full log soon |
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JRWR: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/xfire-grab#wget-lua-was-not-successfully-built |
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SketchCow |
Ramp up zoocasa |
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SketchCow |
Double it |
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Seewhat happens |
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SketchCow |
He says they're absolutely deleting on 23rd |
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If I show up with my station wagon full from LTO-4 Tapes, ask him if I can get a backup |
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oldcad |
can you do something about the rate limiting? i've been hitting the rate limit for hours now |
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oldcad |
i tseems it's the same users who get jobs |
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SketchCow |
Regardomg zoocasa - turn it up to maximum on Monday afternoon |
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I got one job just now.... I'll leave it overnight |
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SketchCow: zoocasa is at 100/min now] |
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Thank youuuuu |
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SketchCow |
What IS Zoocasa |
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It's a real estate brokerage website thing. |
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http://www.torontorealtyblog.com/archives/9091 says: Zoocasa is a website, backed by Rogers, and headed up by Lawrence Dale (previously associated with Realty Sellers and T.O. Solds), whose goal, according to their website, is to “Help people make smarter home buying and selling decisions.” |
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https://github.com/conformal |
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joepie91 |
these all need archiving |
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joepie91 |
as do these: https://github.com/btcsuite |
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but I have to do a bunch of stuff, so would be good if somebody else could do that |
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joepie91 |
(cc godane) |