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tpw_rules |
hey, anybody around? i've got an old dos machine with laplink that i'd like to transfer files to/from |
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tpw_rules |
is there any modern laplink emulator if i have a usb to serial converter? |
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i also have a set of 1985 physics educational software that would be interesting to upload |
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dashcloud |
upload the software! |
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aaaaaaaaa |
maybe this would help https://www.linux.com/learn/docs/ldp/Serial-Laplink-HOWTO |
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it says it works with DCC, but I can't remember if interlnk/intersvr used that as well |
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ikreymer |
Hi all, I'm happy to announce the official release of the new Netcapsule system: https://github.com/ikreymer/netcapsule -- browse any wayback/web archive in a virtual browser in your browser. Currently supporting NCSA Mosaic, Netscape and Firefox |
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ivan` |
ikreymer: interesting. what's the motivation for running old browsers instead of fixing things up slightly for modern browsers? |
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tpw_rules |
dashcloud: well i can't without a way to copy it off the machine |
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tpw_rules |
it doesn't have interlnk/intersvr |
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ikreymer |
ivan`: just a different approach, for content that's browser specific, obsolete HTML tags, browser-specific plugins, etc... it is an experiment |
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tpw_rules |
yeah it has laplink 1.31. i don't know anything about laplink |
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tpw_rules |
aaaaaaaaa: i don't think so. i want file transfer |
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tpw_rules |
does laplink use ppp? |
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aaaaaaaaa |
I don't know, maybe someone else will be able to help you. |
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tpw_rules |
can a 1.44mb usb drive write to a 720k disk? |
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tpw_rules |
i may just put msdos kermit on there |
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tpw_rules |
if i can |
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It has been awhile but I believe you can, if you cover the hole with something robust enough. |
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the one opposite to the write-protect hole at the top, I mean. |
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SketchCow |
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice, ivan |
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SketchCow |
"Hey guys, I made an amazing revolutionary thing." |
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"<sound of seal barking>" |
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Anyway, it's the most awesome thing ever. |
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DFJustin |
isn't it kinda the same deal as OLIVE with the remote VMs |
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DFJustin |
the proxy bit is cool for sure |
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oic it's old browsers running on modern linux instead of a full vm |
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SketchCow |
It's less the OLiVE thingy to me. |
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SketchCow |
And the browsers, eventually those can be JS emulations in EM-DOSABOX |
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SketchCow |
It's the near-seamless integration with the wayback |
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ikreymer |
thanks for the support SketchCow! (marketing is not my forte..) |
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ikreymer |
right, instead of VMs, its running under modern Linux in Docker containers, it may be possible to run emulators under Linux in Docker too |
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ikreymer |
it can integrate with either Internet Archive wayback directly, or using the memento system, multiple waybacks at once. Other institutions, like Stanford, run their own wayback, and the system is capable of reading from multiple wayback's at once, depending on how has the content |
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ikreymer |
of course, IA has by far the most content, but the earliest US website from 1991, as in the example, is hosted by Stanford |
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SketchCow |
We will talk |
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SketchCow |
I fear for your branding |
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SketchCow |
Also, you need to make a demo system with a "click through to try" with time-control |
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SketchCow |
(Try the old web for 10 minutes) |
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dashcloud |
is it possible to put together a Geocities demo? that should be a good test- plenty of classic-style web pages that depend on or expect old browsers & tech |
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ikreymer |
yes, timed demo not a bad idea.. i haven't done any extensive perf tests, just testing in an cheap aws instance for now. |
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ikreymer |
geocities, good idea! |
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by branding do you mean the name? not particularly attached to it |
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MrRadar |
Skillfeed is gone. They took down all their videos |
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MrRadar |
It doesn't look like we managed to get everything, but we did get a lot |
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HCross |
Good work everyone though |
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SketchCow |
Skillfeed is absolutely up |
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Oh wow, but everything's deleted? |
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MrRadar |
Yes |
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SketchCow |
This has to be because of us. |
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SketchCow |
Oh shit |
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SketchCow |
Wow, that is REALLY frustrating! |
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MrRadar |
Charitably their video hosts's bandwidth ran out, but based on the tone of their shutdown message I'm suspect this was done deliberatly |
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SketchCow |
Can we grab all the HTML? |
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SketchCow |
Or did we do that. |
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MrRadar |
It looks like that's what the really small items are in the tracker (I don't have access to the WARCs so I can't verify) |
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SketchCow |
94,580 videos. How many did we get? |
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MrRadar |
I'm not sure, the items in the tracker are "courses" which can (and usually do) contain multiple videos |
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MrRadar |
The largest valid course ID that I personally found (just trying random numbers) was 14500 |
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MrRadar |
I think we got all of the videos from courses under 10000 since those were queued first |
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MrRadar |
Then we did a second queue for the last 5000 which I think has some missing data |
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MrRadar |
Any job returning more than just a single 404 response but less than a dozen or so megabytes can probably be counted in the "missing data" column |
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Fletcher |
Worth noting that sub 10k videos seem to account for a very large proportion of total videos, some ids contained upwards of 150 individual lessons |
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SketchCow |
So we got the good ones? |
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arkiver |
We got all the older ones |
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arkiver |
We didn't get all of the newer videos |
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arkiver |
all html had been downloaded. |
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arkiver |
I think if they ran out of bandwidth the html of the pages wouldn't change to not contain the videos, but the video hoster Wistia would send a message to users trying to view the video |
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arkiver |
In this case it look like the tml on skillfeed has been changed |
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arkiver |
(the javascript part) |
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arkiver |
Videos are actually still available: https://embed-ssl.wistia.com/deliveries/5fd5364bf0bbecbf1e0738f3cd2d8ac93ad254de.bin |
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arkiver |
Google chache still contains links to the videos https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Dt9mu17t20QJ:https://www.skillfeed.com/courses/7369-learn-splash-photography-in-7-minutes+&cd=1&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=nl |
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arkiver |
cache* |
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arkiver |
chfoo: can you please send me the logs for Skillfeed? |
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username1 |
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/themade/the-museum-of-art-and-digital-entertainment-20 |
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arkiver |
SketchCow: so the files have not been deleted, they're just not available through the website |
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username1 |
http://www2.archivists.org/initiatives/askanarchivist-day-october-1 |
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SketchCow |
Are we still getting them? |
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SketchCow |
I need to stop jumping in |
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arkiver |
From the logs I'm going to get all items that have a size lower then 2 MB. |
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arkiver |
I'll edit the scripts to grab the videos through the cached version of the page on Google. |
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arkiver |
And then requeue those items with a size lower then 2 MB |
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So I think we're going to be fine on the videos |
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arkiver |
If google has all pages from Skillfeed cached we'll get the videos we missed due to their change in websites source code |
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SketchCow: would #AskAnArchivist be something for us? Might be nice if we're also available there |
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ats_ |
it's a shame they didn't put that on the same day as Talk Like A Pirate day... |
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I wonder how long the links will stay in the google cache |
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The reason that the IA might be missing a few Skillfeed vidoes is due to the fact that Online.net are incompetant and cant operate a non packet dropping network |
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Sorry, ive just had a massive fall out with my DC and theve just pulled the plug so ive lost some stuff I was uploading on Skillfeed |
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that sucks, what happened? |
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Packet loss, that they dispute came from them |
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xmc |
huh. |
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HCross |
and I marked all my services for termination at the end of the month, and the cheeky sods termed them now |
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aaaaaaaaa |
guess that the money wasn't green enough |
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xmc |
are you prepaid through the end of the month? sounds like you might have grounds for legal action ... |
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xmc |
if you care |
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HCross |
yep. Madly searching for other providers. |
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aaaaaaaaa |
hit them where it really hurts, social media and vps boards. |
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aaaaaaaaa |
if you are known enough or have a big enough echo chamber |
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joepie91, you may know the certain LET provider I am aiming at, if youve been in the cest pit recently |
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SketchCow: ? |
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SketchCow |
Ooop |
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arkiver |
Start: do you think you can discover comcast websites, like you did with previous websites? http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Comcast_Personal_Web_Pages |
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HCross: I generally avoid the cestpit. curious which one it was, but perhaps better suited for #archiveteam-bs :) |
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