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SketchCow |
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Freesound.org hosts a large archive of audio samples released under |
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download them. |
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Aside from restricting access to those free files, if they ever go down, |
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SketchCow |
all their samples (248847 under CC BY and CC0 licenses, 12587 under CC |
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noncommercial licenses) will be lost forever. |
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So what I'm asking is to archive Freesound.org, so that this immensely |
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SketchCow |
useful resource will be available to everyone forever. To make things |
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easier, you could use their API: |
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https://freesound.org/help/developers/ |
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I'm willing to help writing a script to save all the necessary info |
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SketchCow |
(like copyright, license, description, tags, collections) as well as |
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help in any other way, please let me know! |
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Anyone want in |
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bai |
what sort of help are you looking for? I might be interested, I'm always looking for sound effects |
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SketchCow |
Not me, it's someone asking. |
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I asked him to come to #archiveteam |
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SketchCow |
bai: Meet overdriv3 |
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overdriv3 |
hi folks, I came here in regards to Freesound.org |
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arkiver |
Hi overdriv3 |
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overdriv3 |
hi arkiver! |
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overdriv3 |
have any of you by any chance discussed my proposal? In short, Freesound.org is a site distributing audio samples under Creative Commons licenses (which allow redistribution) |
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arkiver |
Sound good |
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arkiver |
Let's get it saved |
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overdriv3 |
but they restrict downloads to logged in users, and if they go down, one of the largest collections of free audio files is lost forever |
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overdriv3 |
they have an API so it might be good to use that to rip their site, but you need to apply for a developer key |
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overdriv3 |
https://freesound.org/help/developers/ |
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overdriv3 |
their site is free software (GNU AGPL) by the way -> https://github.com/MTG/freesound |
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arkiver |
Yeah, SketchCow gave it to us |
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HCross |
Shall we get a channel sorted? |
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arkiver |
I think we can get an API key, but it'll be blocked very fast |
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overdriv3 |
I spoke with the lead developer |
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overdriv3 |
he said he'd be willing to give a key at first, but then when I asked him again he didn't answer me |
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overdriv3 |
they are not bad people, they are actually aligned with free software and culture |
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overdriv3 |
and they don't do it for money, but to gather audio files for their research projects |
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overdriv3 |
still, there might be some bandwidth costs because they have a pretty big archive |
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overdriv3 |
I don't have an estimate but it's probably less than 15TB |
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arkiver |
So |
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overdriv3 |
they have 299609 samples |
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arkiver |
SketchCow: do you think we should grab this as WARCs and get it in the Wayback Machine? |
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overdriv3 |
but some of them are uncompressed, and over 50MB |
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arkiver |
(I'd like to do WARCs) |
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arkiver |
Or upload as Audio files to IA |
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overdriv3 |
I say upload audio files to IA |
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overdriv3 |
it's separate from the site after all |
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arkiver |
We can do both |
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overdriv3 |
cool |
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overdriv3 |
I'm willing to help with all the scripting and the sorting |
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arkiver |
SketchCow: if we do this as WARCs do the Wayback Machine, visitors from the pages in the Wayback Machine will see the logged in pages |
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overdriv3: that's ok |
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arkiver |
Do they have any download limits? |
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overdriv3 |
I don't think so |
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overdriv3 |
I'll check, please stand by |
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overdriv3 |
nope, nothing I could find |
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overdriv3 |
and besides, as I said, the lead dev was open to the idea of someone downloading the data and uploading it somewhere else (besides, the Creative Commons license explicitly allows it) |
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arkiver |
Why did he go away :/ |
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arkiver |
Anyway, I found an easy way to discover all songs outside of the API |
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arkiver |
Will be testing with an account now and then we're probably going to grab as WARCs if SketchCow agrees |
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PurpleSym |
Mailing them a few drives is not an option? |
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arkiver |
I'd like to have the original headers saved too so we can get this as a site in the Wayback Machine |
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overdriv3 |
sorry people, I crashed |
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arkiver |
I think web content should be saved into WARCs always |
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overdriv3 |
what have I missed? |
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arkiver |
Normal files from people that aren't on the web should be saved on drives |
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arkiver |
<arkiver>Anyway, I found an easy way to discover all songs outside of the API |
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arkiver |
<arkiver>Will be testing with an account now and then we're probably going to grab as WARCs if SketchCow agrees |
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arkiver |
overdriv3 ^ |
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overdriv3 |
thanks |
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and |
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<PurpleSym>Mailing them a few drives is not an option? |
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<arkiver>I'd like to have the original headers saved too so we can get this as a site in the Wayback Machine |
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arkiver |
And then you came back |
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arkiver |
(me talking about WARCs) |
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arkiver |
Anyway, sites looks easy, will test with an acount today and we'll have a grab running soon |
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overdriv3 |
Since it's very important to keep licensing info even when files are distributed without the website, I originally thought about creating a YAML file for each audio file containing copyright info |
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or another format, but YAML is human-readable and easy to generate |
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arkiver |
You know what WARCs are? |
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overdriv3 |
do you have a link? |
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overdriv3 |
it's an archive format, right? |
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arkiver |
http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=The_WARC_Ecosystem |
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overdriv3 |
I know that wget supports it |
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I’d do one IA item per Freesound item. |
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thanks arkiver |
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That should work nicely with IA’s own search engine. |
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We can extract the sounds from the Wayback Machine when they're in to upload them individually |
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Or have a second target and also have the warriors upload an audio copy to IA |
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PurpleSym: that's a good idea, and keep in mind Freesound already has tags and those could be ported to IA |
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I mean, without proper indexing it's very hard to find a sound |
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WARCs are not that useful in this case imo. Especially because search won’t work there. |
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We'll do both PurpleSym |
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That ok? |
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arkiver do you mean both WARCs and uploading audio files on Archive.org? |
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arkiver |
Yes |
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cool! |
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Sure. |
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Ok, awesome |
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how are you going to automate the porting of Freesound's licensing and author info (and tags, eventually) to IA? |
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Well, extract it from the page |
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Maybe upoad it as some type of file together with the audio file to the target for IA audio item upload |
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does IA have an API for uploaders? |
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s3 |
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even JSON or XML |
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Well, IA supports tags and other etadata, so might be better to not add it to the IA item in some file but add it to the IA item as actual metadata |
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yes, so that it can be indexed via IA's search |
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yes |
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overdriv3 |
but let's say I want to mirror IA's data via torrent, can I distribute the metadata as well as the files? |
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yeah, IA allows to download metadata |
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cool! |
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overdriv3 |
so we're pretty much set |
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Yes |
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I'll be off now or some time, if you stay online we'l keep you informed |
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OK, same for me. |
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HCross: let's create a channel :) |
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HCross |
yes |
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HCross |
maybe #freeallthesounds |
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arkiver |
yes |
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QUICK INTERRUPTION |
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All you kids get a voice |
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I now have three collections on IA dedicated to CD-ROMs as a concept |
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I want to collapse them into 1. |
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So: |
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- /details/cd-roms |
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- /details/cdbbsarchive |
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- /details/cdromsoftware |
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SketchCow |
Which wins |
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I'll check when I get up tomorrow |
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HCross |
cd-roms is easier to remember |
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Smiley |
SketchCow: cd-roms or cdromsoftware. |
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Smiley |
Personally I prefer the first one |
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PurpleSym |
https://strawpoll.me/6998118 ? |
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Smiley |
But I'm a brit so... |
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dxrt |
yeah I like cd-roms |
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I was organizing them so that cdbbsarchive is shareware stuff, coverdiscs is cover discs, and cdromsoftware is anything else |
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DFJustin |
dunno what's in cd-roms |
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DFJustin |
nothing yet it seems |
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so I would say put cdbbsarchive and coverdiscs as sub-collections of cdromsoftware and have that be the top level umbrella |
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DFJustin |
or name it cdroms if you like, having a hyphen is annoying |
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are there any guides on the best way to archive cover discs? |
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johtso |
I have a ridiculous number of PC Pro cover discs.. |
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cd-roms for sure. |
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SketchCow: so it's ok if we create WARCs of logged in pages from the musicsite and get them into th Wayback Machine? |
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SketchCow: cdromsoftware is my vote |
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johtso: generally, make an ISO of the disc(s), and a lossless scan of the CD itself, and the case/sleeve it came in (front and back of that)- I use PNG, but others prefer TIFF; make sure the DPI is at least 300. |
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dashcloud |
if you plan to upload to IA, put all of those things into a single item on IA |
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Awesome, is there anything to keep in mind when it comes to data integrity when making an ISO? |
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Or will software tell you if there are any problems with ripping? |
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dashcloud |
generally your software will tell you if there's a problem |
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dashcloud |
if your CD says it includes audio or is an Enhanced CD, you need to do things differently, but that's uncommon at best |
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dashcloud |
also, if you are going to upload to IA, check that the item isn't already uploaded there- tons and tons of stuff is already there (it's not the worst thing to have duplicates) |
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SketchCow |
So, everyone likes cd-roms. Excellent. |
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SketchCow |
I should say the move to cd-roms is going to be the harbinger of a massive re-org of the cd-roms section. |
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SketchCow |
Because we're due. |
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SketchCow |
Tons of classification, etc. |
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SketchCow |
Lots of sub-areas |
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SketchCow |
Obviously, this is going to take a while, but it needed it bad. |
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SketchCow |
Especially when I'm dumping in hundreds more, as are many others. |
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SketchCow |
Example: I just flung 80 more CD-ROMs that were sitting in the inbox on archive.org into cdromsoftware to sort |
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SketchCow |
DFJustin: I am definitely going to put cdbbsarchive under cd-roms |
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godane |
i figured the idea is to put all of cdrom based collections into one mega collection |
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godane |
that way there not just in software collection |
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godane |
there all in software -> cd-roms collection |
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SketchCow |
That's what I'm doing, dude |
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SketchCow |
I'm just making the movement right orderly |
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SketchCow |
https://archive.org/details/cdinstall |
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godane |
also coverdiscs would go there |
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SketchCow |
Just created that. All those driver CD-ROMs are going to go in there. |
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SketchCow |
coverdiscs ARE in there |
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godane |
ok |
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SketchCow |
I'm just moving collections over as I can |
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SketchCow |
It'll all work out |
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godane |
i know |
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SketchCow |
:) |
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godane |
i was not looking at it right now |
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SketchCow |
You're a great little fellow |
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godane |
btw i think i need to start getting vhs rips off of youtube |
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godane |
got one 4 hour tape from 1990-09-07 |
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jut |
SketchCow:Does the internet archive have news archives from 1990-1991? |
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SketchCow |
Likely. |
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SketchCow |
Wait. |
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SketchCow |
Which news |
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jut |
international |
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godane |
jut: there is MBC Newsdesk: https://archive.org/details/mbc_newsdesk |
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godane |
it has episodes from 1990 and 1991 |
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godane |
its in korean |
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jut |
found it |
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jut |
https://archive.org/details/tagesschau-20-clock-evening-news-1990-03-11 |
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godane |
that i also uploaded: |
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vitzli |
I have some more driver CD-ROMs |
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vitzli |
I'll upload them tomorrow, maybe |
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godane: notmainstreamtypical had to be taken down, owner requested. |
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godane |
ok |
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dashcloud |
can I upload png screenshots for dos games I want to emulate, or does it have to be .jpg? |
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godane |
still weird cause they have still on rev3: http://revision3.com/notmtv |
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SketchCow: I just uploaded this: https://archive.org/details/Xargon_Trilogy but the sound/music doesn't appear to be playing- is there something I missed? |
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Nemo_bis |
dashcloud: are you sure the ZIP name can be different from the item name? https://archive.org/download/Xargon_Trilogy |
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dashcloud |
is there a guideline somewhere that mentions that? http://digitize.archiveteam.org/index.php/Making_Software_Emulate_on_IA and http://digitize.archiveteam.org/index.php/Internet_Archive_Emulation don't mention anything about that |
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SketchCow |
Yes, the zip name can be different than the item name. |
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SketchCow |
dashcloud: sound music is playing. Are you using Safari or Edge/IE? |
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dashcloud |
hmm- must be a problem with my setup- Firefox on Linux here |
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Yeah. It's working fine. |
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dashcloud |
thanks! |
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SketchCow |
Listening to the lovely tons. |
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SketchCow |
I'm going to run a screenshotter against it. |
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dashcloud |
you may have to have something press the enter key- I'm not sure if you can get past the opening screen without selecting something |
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SketchCow |
That's fine |
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SketchCow |
These aren't comprehensive. |
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And it wants a bunch of keypresses. It'll look better than the disk icon |
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Done. Looking good! |
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I'll do wildman runs through it in coming days |
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patrickod |
is archive team aware of the zaman turkish newspaper incident? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35735793 |
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patrickod |
there's claims that the papers online archives will be destroyed in the government takeover |
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the wiki returns no search results for it so I'm guessing it's not on the radar |
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patrickod |
hmm even at this point it might be too late to save much - articles linked from the homepage of zaman.com.tr are already throwing 404s |
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HCross |
patrickod, weve got archivebot on it |
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patrickod |
oh neato! forgot to check the archivebot page |
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patrickod |
that's wonderful! just found it on the status page |
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Another one of my favorites uploaded: https://archive.org/details/zone66_shareware |
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I'm prepareing to bulk-upload those Paramount films I downloaded. What collection should I put them under? (ping: Smiley, HCross) |
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community video is the only one you would have access to |
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HCross |
opensource_movies |
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DFJustin |
^ |
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also yeah making a push for driver cds would be great, someone gave me an old laptop and they seem to have saved every cd that came with it except the drivers, and hp.com has helpfully taken down anything older than 10 years |
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OK |
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MrRadar: oh nice |
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I've found one of these films is actually in the public domain. What field should I use with the Python IA uploader to set the license? |
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MrRadar: public domain in which countries? |
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USA |
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before 1923 or what |
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This film: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strange_Love_of_Martha_Ivers |
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MrRadar |
Wikipedia says they failed to renew the copyright in the 1970s |
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that's quite a rare case :o |
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anyway, use licenseurl = https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/mark/1.0/ |
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Thanks |
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I've discovered someone uploaded a pile of AtomicGamer. |
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SketchCow: what script do you use for uploading to the FTP collection? We currently don't use FOS for FTP, but I think we can reuse the script |
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chfoo: SketchCow: can you please create a target for livejournal? |
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arkiver |
And SketchCow, do you agree with grabbing freesound.org as WARCs into the Wayback Machine? |
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SketchCow |
I do |
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There's an argument to porting it to a collection, but it's better to wayback first |
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arkiver |
Well, we have to login to get the best quality of the audiofiles, which means the Wayback Machine will get a logged in version |
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SketchCow |
Oh, this IS one of our guys. |
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SketchCow |
Who in our group was quaddicted? |
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arkiver |
No idea. Is it WARCs? |
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SketchCow |
It was NOT. |
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SketchCow |
"Sadly" |
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SketchCow |
For various values of sadly. |
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SketchCow |
I mean, it's 2,366 items, many of them gigabytes |
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SketchCow |
https://archive.org/details/atomicgamer The fun has begun. |
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I just happened to find this while looking for other stuff. |
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zino_ |
arkiver: FYI I just made the GameTrailers module on eldrimner read-only. |
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arkiver |
Ok |
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So, with the move of the AtomicGamer collection into its own set, the opensource collection (which is supposed to be for free books) only has 50 misclassified software items, not 2480 |
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arkiver |
We got access to Google Code!!! |
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arkiver |
The grab will restarted as soon I've requeued bad items from during the shutdown. |
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wumpus |
I hear that "zaman" (turkish media company) is in danger of having its old material erased, anyone saving it? |
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wumpus |
see: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35735793 |
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wumpus |
"One reporter, Abdullah Bozturk, said attempts were also under way to wipe the newspaper's entire online archive." |
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arkiver: great! |
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SketchCow: glad to hear about the filtering of https://archive.org/details/opensource |
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SketchCow: would you be able to upload the contents (all 20G) of fos.textfiles.com:/0/CDROMS/new_ia_census into an item for me? I was going to have jake do it, but he seems to have not had a chance to respond to me lately. |
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SketchCow |
You're a tireless collaborator |
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SketchCow |
And people get busy |
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SketchCow |
But sure. |
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Hey, I get tired (and busy) too. But thanks. |
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JesseW: ready to re-pack the grab yet? |
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bsmith093: :-P once i free up the space |
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JesseW: k then :) |
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schbirid |
SketchCow> Who in our group was quaddicted? <- i am |
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schbirid |
i meant to request a collection for atomicgamer, didnt get around to it. sorry |
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schbirid |
thanks! |
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No problem./ |
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SketchCow |
Should have been WARCs. |
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But the stuff's safe, that's what matters. |
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You should "get around" to making an index object. |
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