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ealgase was kicked by SketchCow (ealgase) |
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SketchCow |
Well, congratulations, we pissed off an entire disparate community of people for, as far as I can tell, absolutely no reason whatsoever. |
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SketchCow |
I absolutely agree that if your "private, safe space" is a publically accessible server, you are setting yourself up for heartbreak and you've not really thought it through. |
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SketchCow |
That does not mean we have to unleash a nuclear-powered heartbreak machine on people AND stand next to it with a pamphlet called "breaking your heart at light speed and you" |
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SketchCow |
ealgase thought the best solution to this controversy was to wander right into the whole thing and start trying to "learn" a bunch of folks, citing things "we" have done that predated them by years |
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SketchCow |
I would say "I'm surprised people have to be told not to do that" but I'm long since surprised by what you have to tell people not to do |
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SketchCow |
Anyway, I'm ripping berries.space out of archive |
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SketchCow |
https://pleroma.site/notice/9jC5kUU3Gf7xRv4I5o |
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SketchCow |
Don't do this next time |
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yipdw |
SketchCow: when you have some time, can you submit a request to pull the ArchiveBot grabs of berries.space from Wayback? (I don't know if that's possible; if it isn't, let me know and I'll be happy to get in contact with the right person to work something out) |
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yipdw |
if you would prefer an email to your IA address, let me know and I'll do that also |
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yipdw |
that whole job has become a shitshow that has smeared all over my day and I'm sick of it |
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SketchCow: oh, sorry, astrid filled me in |
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yipdw |
thank you |
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SketchCow |
https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1133235655931322368 |
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yipdw |
yep |
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SketchCow |
Fling that at anyone else who comes in, furious |
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yipdw |
I will |
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SketchCow |
I'm in Amsterdam this moment. I get breakfast, and then apparently there's a strike of transit workers so getting to the airport is going to be a joy, followed by a 8 hour flight back home. |
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SketchCow |
So at best, we're talking... probably 10pm eastern before I'm really, really at a position to make things begin. |
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SketchCow |
I can drop some requests. |
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yipdw: Also, e-mail me |
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astrid |
10p eastern as in 21 hours from now? |
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SketchCow |
I think so? |
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It's easy to really confuse me with time zones |
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SketchCow |
It is 1am in EST now |
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astrid |
yeah 23 hours is 10p |
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astrid |
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SketchCow |
So yes? I think so? |
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astrid |
21 |
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astrid |
whatever |
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astrid |
yes |
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astrid |
most of a day from now |
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yipdw |
SketchCow: yeah, np |
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Yeah. I can ping the wayback folks |
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SketchCow |
Like, I can do that now |
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yipdw |
I'll shoot you an email as a reminder |
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yipdw |
thanks, I got pinged about this this morning and was like WHAT THE FUCK |
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SketchCow |
I mean, I should say, I absolutely know we can do this |
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SketchCow |
Like, I know who has the tools, there's no outcome where we are not going to do this. |
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SketchCow |
So you can feel free to inform people that's happening |
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And I'll kill it out of the archivebot item |
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yipdw |
goti t |
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SketchCow |
Of course, I'd appreciate if someone gave me a link to the archivebot item it's likely in, otherwise I'll find it. |
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yipdw |
I have that |
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yipdw |
http://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/11lu0 and http://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/8grwh |
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SketchCow |
Jesusballs, it was 20gb? |
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SketchCow |
ALSO HOW YA DOIN' YIPDW, HAVEN'T TALKED IN A WHILE |
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astrid |
everything in archivebot is 20gb these days |
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SketchCow |
Should be our slogan |
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yipdw |
yeah totally |
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yipdw |
i'm doing good, how you doin |
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yipdw |
been busy |
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SketchCow |
I had figured you'd retired |
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SketchCow |
Which, I love having you around |
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archiveteam_archivebot_go_20190505130002 |
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Deleting files from archiveteam_archivebot_go_20190505130002 |
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SketchCow |
deleting: berries.space-inf-20190505-062110-11lu0-00000.warc.gz and all derivative files. |
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deleting: berries.space-inf-20190505-062110-11lu0-00000.warc.os.cdx.gz and all derivative files. |
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SketchCow |
etc. |
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SketchCow |
Just because I'm morbidly fuckin' curious |
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SketchCow |
urls-transfer.notkiska.pw-berries.space-accounts-09-May-2019-inf-20190511-012325-8grwh-00000.warc.gz |
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SketchCow |
What exactly does that even MEAN in this context |
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yipdw |
oh |
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yipdw |
that's a URL text list |
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yipdw |
ArchiveBot's !ao < FILE thing |
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yipdw |
I dunno about retired, but I did run out of time / steam to write AT code because I got sucked into a bunch of HCI stuff |
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SketchCow |
So he pumped all the individual accounts on berries space in as well? |
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astrid |
the url was https://transfer.notkiska.pw/ujxcj/berries.space-accounts-09-May-2019 |
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yipdw |
checking |
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yipdw |
IIRC the URL list is part of the metawarc |
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astrid |
yeah that's a list of account urls |
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SketchCow |
Yeah |
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yipdw |
yeah it's there |
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yipdw |
or at least the wpull log is, and yeah, it is that |
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Flashfire |
in the meta JSON hook queued that one |
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SketchCow |
archiveteam_archivebot_go_20190511090002 |
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SketchCow |
Deleting files from archiveteam_archivebot_go_20190511090002 |
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deleting: urls-transfer.notkiska.pw-berries.space-accounts-09-May-2019-inf-20190511-012325-8grwh-00000.warc.gz and all derivative files. |
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SketchCow |
So: |
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SketchCow |
- I deleted the archivebot blorbs that have the data |
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SketchCow |
- I told it not to keep a just in case backup |
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SketchCow |
- I told it to kill all derivatives |
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SketchCow |
- I will have berries.space blocked at the wayback level |
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SketchCow |
Adulting, why is it hard |
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Flashfire |
At the risk of making things worse does this mean no more archiving fediverses? |
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yipdw |
if they ask for it or are okay with it then it's probably ok |
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yipdw |
if they say no then that's a no |
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astrid |
probably a prudent choice to generally avoid however |
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Flashfire |
Gotcha |
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SketchCow |
Yeah, the amount of times a fediverse goes down is pretty rare |
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SketchCow |
People are going to save stuff of fediverse |
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yipdw |
public posts are also replicated literally fucking everywhere |
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SketchCow |
But we're vaguely establishment now, and we do not need to be used to do proactive, mass-ass grabs of them |
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astrid |
well, on the flipside, a fedi node going away is an admin taking other peoples shit down, which is Why Archiveteam Exists In The First Fucking Place, but also that's apparently not what the authors of said writing want to happen so we should respect it |
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yipdw |
because that's the only way AP works |
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wp494 |
Mastodon's a tire fire anyway |
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SketchCow |
I mean, hooray, we finally having something new under the sun for a tad |
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yipdw |
so i'm much less concerned about the risk of losing something amazing just because there's 400 zillio n copies of it |
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wp494 |
can we ring the -BS bell or does it still need a bit of time to simmer here? |
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SketchCow |
I'm not quite done here |
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wp494 |
ok |
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SketchCow |
Because we really took a hit on this one |
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SketchCow |
Random flipped out people have been finding me |
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yipdw |
and me |
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SketchCow |
And they're going to keep coming in here for weeks |
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SketchCow |
Ah, I see there's a wiki collection |
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SketchCow |
https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Mastodon |
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05:38
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SketchCow |
Well, THAT we'll move to -bs |
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SketchCow |
But some of these will need to go |
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SketchCow |
Like the reflexive, reactive, "we'll show YOU, techbros" spasm it is, Mastodon users appear to have not really thought out the repercussions/meaning of what their instances are and what they mean in a longer sense. |
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SketchCow |
It's obvious that while some know it's heart-on-sleeve twitter, others apparently think it's a private chat line with teary-eyed hugs for the kind souls who wander in to join. |
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SketchCow |
So, it was inevitable we'd eventually wander into a tumblr-like situation with people flipping out and devising last-five-years idea of what the internet is and what agency you have |
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SketchCow |
Today was the day |
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05:46
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SketchCow |
And yes, obviously Archive Team knows that the people screaming for it to disappear utterly today are the same who, 15 years from now, will pound the table in a "I wish I could share the amazing things we discussed on floppy.bags way back in 2019" |
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cascode |
i don't necessarily think they are |
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SketchCow |
Regardless, I think we should just stay out of it, unless they come to us, and by come to us, like, the admin comes to us |
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cascode |
though some of them may coexist on the same servers |
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05:47
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SketchCow |
I've been at this a very long time. |
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SketchCow |
They are. |
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SketchCow |
Anyway, if we cause ourselves to be the "what about archiveteam" boogeyboy for the federates to have the discussion, works for me. |
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05:53
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SketchCow |
https://bune.city/2019/05/archive-team-and-the-fediverse/ |
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06:04
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SketchCow |
I think I will write a blog entry |
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06:04
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SketchCow |
Again, I have a very long set of travel ahead of me today |
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SketchCow |
Mostly due to strike |
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06:05
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SketchCow |
But shortly, I will have a delicious dutch breakfast |
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astrid |
stroopwaffel? |
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SketchCow |
Must avoid |
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06:09
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SketchCow |
But mackerel and eggs and top-quality chese |
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astrid |
heh |
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astrid |
yum |
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SketchCow |
Anyway, so, again... breakfast, then off to the airport to try and get there through a transit strike and then a long flight and then getting to JFK and then a cab ride for 90 minutes. |
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SketchCow |
If this thing explodes in a new direction, please try and tell me. Probably twitter direct is best. |
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SketchCow |
(I think the plane has wifi) |
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i hope this isnt going to turn into another ATrescue shitshow |
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