[01:56] Hey ho. [01:56] Decided to spend the day in hotel room, rest up. [02:19] Good eeeevening [02:19] nice hotel? [02:19] It's OK. [02:19] The net, holy crap, the net is so bad [02:21] sorry to hear that [02:28] so I'm thinking about building a large file server for storing archives, and I see that a lot of the high-density servers that people are building use port expanders to put a lot of drives on a few ports [02:29] does anyone here know the performance impact of those? [02:32] obviously having half a dozen SATA drives plugged into a 6Gbps SATA port on a 1x PCIe (at .5 Gbps) seems like an odd thing to do [02:34] I noticed a motherboard with 6 PCIe slots that can all run at 8x, and several 8x SATA controllers that have 8 ports [02:34] that's a better ratio, but is it worth the expense? [02:39] Depends on how much BW you want to push [02:40] If you need 20TB of storage but you're the only one accessing it via etherent, as long as you can saturage a gigE link it doesn't really matter that much [02:40] If you have a 10G connection to the box... you might need more dedicated sata ports [02:46] true enough [02:46] I haven't really considered that [02:57] With enough drives and usb cards, you could prolly use usb enclosures and still get gig speeds : [02:57] :p [03:03] heh [03:12] Google Powermeter closing! [03:14] yea [03:15] I'd never even heard of that one until I read that it was closing due to lack of interest [03:16] guess the scam AlGore was pulling has completely collapsed [03:17] heh [03:17] how did it measure power usage? [03:17] same way AlGore did.. a renamed FUDmeter lol [03:18] i don't go out of my way to waste energy, but fuckall if i'll get beaten over the head to save it [03:19] did you have to install monitoring hardware of some kind, or did they get the records from power companies or something else? [03:19] ha ha, anti Al Gore [03:19] Met him in a lunch line, friendly guy. [03:20] Anyway, this wasn't a scam or anything, just a rather silly side project. I don't see how it possibly costs them money to run it. [03:20] It just takes your smart power meter and gives you your consumption in a graph. [03:20] Not like it makes you eat granola or vote for the green party or something. [03:20] I'll bet the usage was kind of low because smart power meters are still pretty rare. [03:21] heh [03:23] i kinda want to plug a kill-a-watt right after my power meter and then hook it into mrtg [03:24] $200/mo for my small apartment is ridiculous [03:25] I have one of the Kill a Watts. It does help determine who the bastard is. [03:25] Often, if you have a Playstation or a XBOX that'll do it. [03:25] List the Playstation 2? Fucking INSANE, man. [03:25] yeah i have a fatty ps3 [03:26] i used to leave it folding @ home when i was in college and didnt pay the power bills [03:26] not anymore :P [03:26] my server clocks down the cpu when not under heavy load and all that so that one cant be too bad [03:27] http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-356-2.htm [03:27] its probably 75% airconditioning :P its so bloody hot here [03:28] http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-356-4.htm [03:28] http://www.textfiles.com/bitsavers/pdf/harvard/MarkI_operMan_1946.pdf was just added to the archive.org collection by me, will take about half an hour to show up. That's some kickass historical item. [03:30] wooow the ps3 is one power hungry motherfucker [03:31] yeah! [03:34] I'm throwing up some old computer documents that aren't on bitsavers [03:35] SketchCow: my upload is done now [03:35] gv_25 [03:35] cna you check before i nuke the files on my end [03:36] there are two tars, one is hte friendster data the other is the logs [03:48] Anyone mirroring lulzsec? [04:04] SketchCow: How was that TOC? [04:05] Did you send it to me? [04:05] (underscor) [04:06] Looks good, perf. Nuke. [04:06] SketchCow: I linked you [04:06] Email better? [04:06] Or should I relink? [04:07] e-mail MUCH better. [04:08] SketchCow has an email address? [04:11] bluemaxiscreepy@textfiles.com [04:11] Your message has been sent. [04:11] SketchCow ^ [04:11] s/creepy/friendly [04:11] Also, hahaha I love that email address [04:11] s/friendly/astalker/ [04:12] If I was really a stalker I would've found my way to Sydney to follow him around [04:12] Instead I just hug him over the internet, like so: [04:12] * BlueMax hugs SketchCow [04:14] http://www.archive.org/details/2ndwccomputerfaireprcd_1978 [04:14] Everything You Never Wanted to Ask About Computers Because You Didn't Think You'd Understand It Anyway, Or, A Talk For People Who Got Talked Into Coming Here by Someone Else by Jo Murray [04:15] BlueMax: haha [04:15] I emailed that to my mom [04:15] She knows how to email? O_O [04:15] lol [04:15] I wonder why SketchCow finds me creepy [04:16] Ever since I installed Jolicloud on her netbook and set up gmail for her, yes [04:16] She emails all her friends and stuff [04:16] It's cute [04:16] SketchCow: <3 [04:16] I love it! :D [04:16] Big money, big prizes! I love it! [04:16] lol [04:17] Smash TV ftw...I need to get out my Pandora and try to beat that game [04:18] SketchCow: Is this done or should I dupe it? [04:18] 3,100,001 3,600,000 Claimed Jason Scott/Sketchcow [04:18] (Friendster) [04:19] 3,900,001 4,000,000 Claimed Jason Scott/Sketchcow [04:19] too [04:20] SketchCow: I actually asked the "Why do you think I'm weird" question :P [04:21] underscor: There was this CD called "Tiger Tryouts" that had several dozen trial games to play on it...I've been looking for it for ages :P [04:21] :P [04:21] That's... random? [04:21] I know, just thought you might want to talk about something, anything :P [04:24] I want SketchCow to answer me [04:24] lol [04:24] I also want to be able to run more ranges, but I'm maxing out my internet [04:24] :( [04:24] I maxed out my internet helping alard with his Friendster experiment [04:25] Pulling 28Mbps from photos.friendster.com [04:25] I love it! [04:25] Big bandwith, big photos! I love it! [04:25] * BlueMax stops using that reference [04:25] haha [04:26] htop [04:26] er, oops [04:26] Running 6 ranges [04:26] 49 threads each [04:26] :D [04:26] Pulling 32 Mbps from friendster overall [04:27] I can't even pull 10 Mbps :/ [04:27] That's 294 threads [04:27] wow [04:27] * BlueMax jealous\ [04:28] :D [04:28] I bet SketchCow likes you better too :< [04:31] Most definitely [04:31] :D [04:31] Ugh, ACT sores don't come back til tomorrow [04:31] :( [04:31] scores [04:31] * [04:31] * BlueMax slaps underscor with a mace [04:32] Isn't mace a chemical? [04:32] http://recordkeepingroundtable.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/recordkeeping-roundtable-220611.mp3 [04:32] No, it's a medieval weapon too [04:32] http://recordkeepingroundtable.org/2011/06/25/where-do-old-websites-go-to-die-with-jason-scott-of-archive-team-podcast/ [04:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_%28club%29 [04:33] "Our evening with Jason Scott last Wednesday was possibly the most entertaining archives talk ever in the world. No really. It really was." [04:33] Damnit, it's 103mb [04:33] That's gonna take a little while [04:33] BlueMax: /me downloads it at 30Mbps [04:33] :D [04:33] Ahahahahaha [04:33] best url shortener ever [04:33] http://3peen.us/ðâ¡â¡D [04:33] * BlueMax slaps underscore with a lance [04:34] :D [04:34] BlueMax: 54 seconds to download [04:35] SketchCow: Ooooh, I can't waitttttt [04:35] 1 hour 30 minutes... :< [04:35] I knowwww [04:35] :D [04:35] SketchCow: You mentioned me at least 14 times, right? [04:35] Otherwise I'll be heartbroken [04:35] Why spoil it? [04:38] I'm betting my money that underscor's gonna be a bitch and narrate everything that happens, and by the time I'm finished downloading it he's gonna have said everything and I'll just end up deleting it [04:38] Death Day for Friendster tomorrow! [04:38] Nope, going to walk the dog as soon as it's done downloading on my ipod [04:38] SketchCow: Answer questions plz [04:38] (Friendster) [04:38] 3,100,001 3,600,000 Claimed Jason Scott/Sketchcow [04:38] 3,900,001 4,000,000 Claimed Jason Scott/Sketchcow [04:38] SketchCow: Is this done or should I dupe it? [04:38] too [04:39] Dog time, back later [04:39] :D [04:39] SketchCow: You better let me know >:| [04:42] what about that huge chunk claimed by ksh? [04:46] Hmmm. [04:47] man, I really need to reboot [04:47] Take it, if you would. [04:47] I am sure I have it but I am not sure where. [04:47] SketchCow: something on your mind? [04:49] Just packed for Melbourne [04:50] Have about 2.5 hours to do things before I have to go off and tour the sydney opera house, bought tour tickets, etc. [04:50] I sung there once in a school choir [04:50] It really is a magnificent building [04:53] *sung/sang/whatever [04:57] (before you ask, I was really young and actually had a voice worth being in a choir in) [05:07] I appear to be alone [05:09] SketchCow: Ok, I'll add it to my queue [05:10] SketchCow: This is absolutely delicious btw [05:10] You just put geocities on TPB [05:12] I'm now duping two massive arcade manual arcives so I can turn them into things to upload to archive.org. [05:14] SketchCow: pre-emptive warning: [05:14] it would be a good idea to back up me.com and mac.com homepages before July 2012 [05:14] Apple's announcement seems to say it's going away then [05:20] SketchCow: OMFG [05:20] YOU MENTIONED ME [05:20] OH MY GOD <3 [05:20] :< [05:21] 39 minute mark [05:21] OMG [05:21] <3<3<3<3<3 [05:21] You suck underscor :< [05:22] :D [05:23] Write a client/server control system next time [05:23] ;D [05:23] :< [05:23] * BlueMax dumb [05:27] Aww [05:27] Don't say that [05:27] :P [05:27] But I am, I can't compare to you or Lord SketchCow [05:27] Lord SketchCow? [05:27] hahah [05:29] :/ [05:29] I always feel like the least useful person here [05:30] Taking this long to even get a Linux box up [05:30] We all hate you [05:30] :D [05:30] * underscor <3 SketchCow [05:32] And yet when I say that, I'm called creepy [05:35] :D [05:38] lol [05:38] :< [05:40] heh "you should know more about your victim" [05:42] balrog: I agree. I do think that announcing something like that a year in advance is pretty good policy, though. [05:42] But trying to find that information probably equals stalking [05:43] SketchCow: yup [05:43] SketchCow: Hiding the bunny hahaha [05:43] still, better to add that to the checklist NOW before we forget :D [05:43] there's A LOT of good stuff on mac.com/me.com sites, and reliable downloading is tricky (they seem to use some sort of antileech that makes wget useless) [05:44] well with normal archiving options at least [05:44] --fuck-everything [05:44] lol [05:46] with that kind of timeframe it should be possible to just use the wayback crawler right [05:47] DFJustin: no [05:47] me.com/mac.com have antileech protection of some sort [05:47] anti-saving protection [05:47] especially on idisk [05:53] OK, wrote a weblog entry about how important metadata is and asking people to sign up. [05:53] this is TOTALLY SEPARATE from archive team. [05:54] like take a look at https://public.me.com/cdespinosa [05:54] www# find . -name \*.pdf | wc -l 409 [05:54] 49 pinball machines! [05:54] is there a way to archive that without JS? [05:54] seems not. [05:54] ok didn't know what me.com was [05:54] apple's MobileMe [05:54] I agree, balrog. Put it in the wiki. [05:54] HEAVY use of JS, involving SproutCore. [05:55] it's late and I'm getting to go, if someone wants to they can, otherwise it will wait until Monday if I don't forget. [05:58] Ahahaha [05:58] Firefox 5 is "Unsupported" [06:02] SketchCow: remind me how Fidonet's going when you can check on it :P [06:05] balrog: https://public.me.com/ix/cdespinosa?protocol=roap&item=properties&repfmt=swjson&depth=1&reqid=1309068226464&lang=en [06:05] :) [06:05] ha. nice [06:05] now to automate it :) [06:05] https://public.me.com/ix/cdespinosa/Dip.png [06:06] That's delicious [06:06] :D [06:09] SketchCow: I thought you wrote a blog entry [06:09] I don't see it [06:12] About metadata? yes, but it won't publish for a few hours. [06:12] Oh okay [06:13] * underscor intently stays up for a few hours [06:13] :D [06:14] goodness [06:14] underscor: hack up a script that you feed addresses to and that downloads all files for mobileme :D [06:14] balrog: I'll work on it [06:14] Depends on how long until my mom says GTFO the computer [06:15] :p okay [06:15] there is a ton of time though [06:15] haha [06:16] This is a good podcast [06:16] 24 mins in [06:20] Off to the opera house! [06:20] Bye. :< [06:20] BlueMax: SketchCow is an amazing speaker [06:21] underscor: I wish I had half of SketchCow's confidence [06:22] :P [06:23] All confidence takes you you deciding to have it! [06:23] I decide...bacon [06:27] how do I set my username for commits in bzr? [06:31] * BlueMax slaps Alex [06:37] also known as underscor [06:39] just act like you have confidence [06:43] I can't act [06:43] bbs [06:48] heh [06:56] Back [06:56] Also, yeah, can't act to save my life [06:56] I'm a horrible horrible liar [06:57] you'll just have to pretend that you can act, then [06:57] ... [06:59] * BlueMax slaps db48x around a bit with Alex [07:02] So that's SketchCow's fourth documentary [07:02] "Tape" [07:02] "BBS, Get Lamp, Arcade and Tape" [07:03] I still feel jealous for missing the free Get Lamps :/ [07:13] http://cache.cow.net/works/octothorpe/transpl.oct [07:15] http://cache.cow.net/IMAGES/dumbhat.gif < I should've used this image as the ArchiveTeam Meme :< [07:36] "The lore of IRC channels" [07:36] That's all #bashup gets? :/ [08:11] ahh [08:16] Ahh? [08:16] beat the disco mission in Solar 2 [08:19] How is that game anyway [08:24] quite fun [08:25] it bothers me in some ways [08:27] but it's a lot of fun [08:27] Explain [08:27] so it doesn't really matter [08:28] well [08:28] you start off as an asteroid, and can get bigger by crashing into other asteroids [08:28] which is fine. simplistic, but fine [08:28] then once you've done that af ew times, you become a planet [08:29] again, simplistic but ok [08:29] but now the mechanic changes, and crashing into an asteroid decreases your mass. instead you have to get near them moving slowly enough to capture them [08:30] once they're captured they're in orbit around you [08:30] and you can hit a key to absorb them, gaining mass [08:31] eventually you can gain enough mass to become a star, which really annoys me, since it doesn't work that way [08:32] lol [08:32] then you can become a larger and larger star by absorbing planets, which is weird but ok [08:32] your transition to neutron star doesn't decrease your mass, which is funny [08:33] lol [08:34] but my real problem is with the interaction between things that are orbiting [08:34] it looks ok at first [08:35] until you notice that it's only computing the forces on the center of gravity of the orbital system (planet with asteroids, star with planets) and not on all the bodies in it [08:37] so you can strip a planet from a neighboring system except by ramming it directly [08:38] especially annoying when you're a black hole [08:38] you want solar 2 to solve the three body problem? [08:39] you can absorb the star and have all the planets in the system escape because it had them going in straight lines past you [08:40] bbot_: it does fairly well; I can gravity-tractor a whole swarm of asteroids [08:41] but I can also see it being really hard to hold on to a sawrm of planets as you dodge about [08:42] I downloaded the demo, I should play it at some point [08:44] yes, you should :) [10:06] can anyone recommend a compressed filesystem that is kept in a single file and easy to use. for text file storage [10:06] nbeeds to be writeable [10:32] TrueCrypt? [10:34] i need great performance (and i do not like truecrypt), thanks though [10:35] looked at fusecompress (0.9) and lessfs but they were meh as i could not figure out how they actually work and they seemd not one file [10:45] http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/ < I love this site, it's all laugh-your-ass-off old computer stories [10:50] my current robots.txt downloader: http://pastebin.com/NACCN8nz [10:50] just finished this version and running it, hopefully it works well [10:50] if so, i will add it to my cronjobs and forget about it [11:14] worked well [11:14] i think [11:40] Back. [11:41] Enjoy your tour? [11:41] SketchCow: really liked your somethingroundtable talk [11:45] woot, script worked well [11:54] Sup. [12:08] That talk was unscripted! [12:22] How was the tour? [12:37] BlueMax: have you meet SketchCow ? [12:37] emijrp: nope, probably won't either :< [12:37] Man. He went to your country. [12:38] I know :< [12:38] but "your country" is pretty big [12:38] He's at least 2 hours away right now, and when he goes to Melbourne he'll be even further [12:38] I have no chance [12:39] cant you use some cangaroos to hun thim down? [12:39] He made me promise not to do that :< [12:40] 2 hours of what? car, train? [12:40] Car [12:41] I'm a 17 year old with no license at 10:30 at night [12:52] script for downloading all wikipedia pages http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/source/browse/trunk/wikipediadownloader.py 100GB needed [13:14] emijrp: Are you downloading archiveteam wiki? [13:14] everyweek with crcon [13:14] Excellent, thank you. [13:15] Is it just me or does SketchCow not listen to me [15:19] We are missing here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Web_Archiving_Initiatives [15:22] hi [15:22] is anyone familiar with improving the performance of ext4 fs with larger partitions (3.5+ TB) [15:23] im finding basic things like mkdir take a long time, seems the "flush" process sits there busy for a long time [16:11] "In the coming months, weâre going to retire two products that didnât catch on the way we would have hoped, but did serve as influential models: Google Health (retiring January 1, 2012; data available for download through January 1, 2013) and Google PowerMeter (retiring September 16, 2011)" [16:14] read the red text ; ) http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Alive..._OR_ARE_THEY&curid=37&diff=6013&oldid=5173&rcid=7267 [17:06] why the hell i see a lot of fruits in my screen? http://www.google.com/search?hl=es&biw=1440&bih=654&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=time+capsule&oq=time+capsule [17:34] http://gen.lib.rus.ec/get?nametype=orig&md5=8E416C5A43F8962901C21F43FE601D10 [17:34] http://gen.lib.rus.ec/get?nametype=orig&md5=458b73231a7c66aa64096a93599fb160 [17:34] enjoy [17:45] the books are about destroyed libraries [17:47] the nightmare of every single user in this channel, i hope, right? RIGHT? [17:48] I hope we have not double agents of archiving. [18:55] did anyone ever back up the old OpenDarwin web pages and source? [19:01] wait opendarwin died? [19:01] thats a shame [19:04] it died long ago [19:04] thing is, there were projects on it for which I can't find source anymore [19:04] I'm mainly looking for the XPostFacto source [19:05] Jonimus: there is http://www.puredarwin.org/ [19:07] ahh [23:46] Update. [23:46] Leaving shortly for airport. Ending up in Melbourne in about, oh, 5 hours or so. [23:46] Getting set up there, etc. Girl will probably want to do stuff. [23:46] I'm always up for hering how Friendster kills stuff. [23:46] Priorities when I have time: shifting around data on Blindtiger/Flophouse, etc.