[00:06] this is wild [03:38] !alard [03:59] S4bu, You Can Not Hide Forever. Bratty in #chat Will Fall With You [04:02] *sigh* what is the purpose of that spam, anyway? [04:03] I have no idea [04:03] in case one of us knows s4bu we can warn him [04:12] That was a lot of talking! [04:12] it was awesome [04:26] its some bitch thats tryint o stir up nikki from #50.channels.1.cup [04:26] but scrolling and spamming up her channels [04:26] not is followed certain from the channel around [04:27] been happening for a month [12:08] AnonymousSabu S4BU on #chat #2600 #hackers - Efnet Opers Are Clearly Allowing Him To Be Here By Not Setting A Kline On Phalse.2600.com [19:01] OK, back. [19:01] That's getting boring. [19:03] status update on my whois compilation: with the help of a healthy supply of proxies, im downloading around 10 whois responses a second [19:04] i have 1.5m .coms so far [19:07] any plans on pulling arin/apnic/ripe/etc? [19:11] i plan to send a request to arin [19:11] https://www.arin.net/resources/request/bulkwhois.html [19:12] ripe offers the pertinent data for free via ftp [19:24] Good deal, sundown. [19:33] The 80 Microcomputing issues are so well scanned - they're amazing. [19:33] I'm sure he destroyed the copies to do them. [19:42] Is it right to destroy something to have a copy forever? [19:43] Its not so much destroying as it is debinding, so they may no longer be perfect or easily holdable, but the pages are still intact. [19:44] In some cases books and magazines can be reassembled too (depending on how well they came apart and the type of binding used) [19:53] re: the spam, i don't think s4bu has an account on phalse. [19:54] Xamayon: though the reassembly isnt as good as the orignal usually [19:54] but from a preserving-paper-forever view, staples and other metal are the enemy [19:54] yeah, its usually pretty easy to tell [19:55] staples rust, discoloring paper and altering it chemically too [19:56] i've unbent staples before to remove centerfolds for scanning, and then put it right back when done [19:56] Some glue bound books can be taken apart and put back together almost perfectly using heat and a press/vice type thing [19:56] right [19:56] the pages usually feel a bit loose after that though, and turn much easier [19:56] I have a friend who worked in the local National Archives facility, he basically spent the whole time then removing staples [19:57] Tjere [19:57] There's a big debate. [19:57] I'm sure you've heard a lot of it [19:58] speaking of binding, does anyone here know of a place that will rebind a paperback into a hardcover, because this particular book is 800 pages and really should never have had a paperback version in the first place, (godel escher bach, egb) [19:58] Do a search for book binding [19:58] bsmith093: was it ever published in hardcover? I've actually only seen softcover instances of that book [19:59] is there a huge copyright issue, or is it just a repair issue [19:59] no copyright issue unless you copy [20:00] chronomex: im not sure, but i got my copy from, a high school teacher who was retiring, and the damn thing fell apart halfway through reading it. [20:02] amazon says no, it wasnt. [20:05] SketchCow: will you upload complete interview with Tom Jennings to archive.org? He seems fascinating person and I'd really enjoy to see the whole interview. [20:08] Yes, that's in the plan [20:09] Great, thank you. [20:37] SketchCow: Have you had time to look at the JSTOR example? [22:21] No, not even a little. Let me get on that. [22:21] So, I have a hilarious idea. [22:21] I mean, pretty f'in hilarious. [22:21] A real stick in the fuckin' eye for JSTOR [22:21] On board? [22:27] this sounds like it could be fun [22:31] Here's the problem. [22:32] JSTOR has made a violation of terms of service to use a crawler or script to download. [22:33] I saw [22:39] * ersi wants to know about the potential stick in the eye for JSTOR [22:39] * ersi bounces [22:39] so, something like PACER but with a list of articles for users to manually view? [22:40] maybe we could load them in tiny iframes, a zillion to a page [22:40] "here load this page with your browser" [22:41] er, like the thing used to liberate cases from PACER that is [22:41] yes, like that [22:41] RECAP is what I meant [22:42] right [23:18] Sorry, was dealing with kids. [23:18] I'm doing babysitting. [23:18] BEST BABYSITTER EVER [23:18] OK, so here's my idea [23:18] Archive Team page. [23:19] You go to it, and click a button, and then get the stor terms of service, and then it downloads a random paper from a list. [23:19] yeps [23:19] And people can click from that all [23:21] how many papers are we talking [23:21] how do they upload it back to us? [23:29] I'm trying to figure this out. [23:29] http://www.jstor.org/page/info/about/policies/terms.jsp [23:30] (c) undertake any activity such as computer programs that automatically download or export Content, commonly known as web robots, spiders, crawlers, [23:30] wanderers or accelerators that may interfere with, disrupt or otherwise burden the JSTOR server(s) or any third-party server(s) being used or accessed in connection [23:30] with JSTOR; or [23:30] (d) make any use, display, performance, reproduction, or distribution that exceeds or violates these Terms and Conditions of Service and the Content-Specific [23:30] Terms and Conditions of Use. [23:40] http://about.jstor.org/terms-and-conditions-for-use, section 2.3.f specifically forbids creating a repository of material from JSTOR [23:45] I seem to recall a court ruling that terms and conditions are not binding [23:47] if it's the one I'm thinking of I believe it was that violating the conditions doesn't constitute unauthorized use of a computer (=criminal hacking) but there would probably still be a civil cause of action [23:48] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/United_States_v._Lori_Drew [23:51] since when has archiveteam given a fuck about t&cs? [23:54] let's say somehow we manage to get a large set of them- where would they be hosted? I don't think archive.org can hold any of them except the public domain ones [23:54] unless someone plans to host them indefinitely, they'd have to go on piratebay or somewhere similar [23:55] the goal was to get the PD ones [23:55] okay [23:57] archive.org will host the PD ones. [23:57] That's what I mean. [23:57] Download all the freedome [23:57] I agree, we COULD just go get it. [23:57] And probably be fine. [23:57] But Archive Team is activist, and turning it all into a hilarious game would be great. [23:58] Like "Congratulations! You just freed THE PROCEEDINGS OF H. PUNTER GALTERFAST (1832) [23:58] " [23:58] :) [23:58] I can arrange a one-off server for this [23:58] And we can just do it [23:58] If someone wants to jam a little CGI