| Time |
Nickname |
Message |
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00:06
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dnova |
this is wild |
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03:38
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Guest2771 |
!alard |
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03:59
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Humm3r |
S4bu, You Can Not Hide Forever. Bratty in #chat Will Fall With You |
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04:02
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Coderjoe |
*sigh* what is the purpose of that spam, anyway? |
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04:03
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dnova |
I have no idea |
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04:03
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dnova |
in case one of us knows s4bu we can warn him |
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04:12
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SketchCow |
That was a lot of talking! |
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04:12
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dnova |
it was awesome |
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04:26
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particle |
its some bitch thats tryint o stir up nikki from #50.channels.1.cup |
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04:26
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particle |
but scrolling and spamming up her channels |
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04:26
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particle |
not is followed certain from the channel around |
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04:27
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particle |
been happening for a month |
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12:08
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voicem3 |
AnonymousSabu S4BU on #chat #2600 #hackers - Efnet Opers Are Clearly Allowing Him To Be Here By Not Setting A Kline On Phalse.2600.com |
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19:01
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SketchCow |
OK, back. |
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19:01
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SketchCow |
That's getting boring. |
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19:03
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sundown |
status update on my whois compilation: with the help of a healthy supply of proxies, im downloading around 10 whois responses a second |
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19:04
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sundown |
i have 1.5m .coms so far |
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19:07
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Coderjoe |
any plans on pulling arin/apnic/ripe/etc? |
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19:11
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sundown |
i plan to send a request to arin |
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19:11
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sundown |
https://www.arin.net/resources/request/bulkwhois.html |
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19:12
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sundown |
ripe offers the pertinent data for free via ftp |
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19:24
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SketchCow |
Good deal, sundown. |
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19:33
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SketchCow |
The 80 Microcomputing issues are so well scanned - they're amazing. |
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19:33
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SketchCow |
I'm sure he destroyed the copies to do them. |
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19:42
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josephwdy |
Is it right to destroy something to have a copy forever? |
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19:43
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Xamayon |
Its not so much destroying as it is debinding, so they may no longer be perfect or easily holdable, but the pages are still intact. |
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19:44
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Xamayon |
In some cases books and magazines can be reassembled too (depending on how well they came apart and the type of binding used) |
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19:53
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chronomex |
re: the spam, i don't think s4bu has an account on phalse. |
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19:54
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chronomex |
Xamayon: though the reassembly isnt as good as the orignal usually |
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19:54
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chronomex |
but from a preserving-paper-forever view, staples and other metal are the enemy |
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19:54
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Xamayon |
yeah, its usually pretty easy to tell |
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19:55
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chronomex |
staples rust, discoloring paper and altering it chemically too |
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19:56
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Coderjoe |
i've unbent staples before to remove centerfolds for scanning, and then put it right back when done |
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19:56
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Xamayon |
Some glue bound books can be taken apart and put back together almost perfectly using heat and a press/vice type thing |
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19:56
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chronomex |
right |
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19:56
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Xamayon |
the pages usually feel a bit loose after that though, and turn much easier |
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19:56
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chronomex |
I have a friend who worked in the local National Archives facility, he basically spent the whole time then removing staples |
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19:57
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SketchCow |
Tjere |
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19:57
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SketchCow |
There's a big debate. |
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19:57
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chronomex |
I'm sure you've heard a lot of it |
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19:58
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bsmith093 |
speaking of binding, does anyone here know of a place that will rebind a paperback into a hardcover, because this particular book is 800 pages and really should never have had a paperback version in the first place, (godel escher bach, egb) |
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19:58
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SketchCow |
Do a search for book binding |
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19:58
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chronomex |
bsmith093: was it ever published in hardcover? I've actually only seen softcover instances of that book |
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19:59
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bsmith093 |
is there a huge copyright issue, or is it just a repair issue |
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19:59
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chronomex |
no copyright issue unless you copy |
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20:00
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bsmith093 |
chronomex: im not sure, but i got my copy from, a high school teacher who was retiring, and the damn thing fell apart halfway through reading it. |
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20:02
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bsmith093 |
amazon says no, it wasnt. |
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20:05
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primus102 |
SketchCow: will you upload complete interview with Tom Jennings to archive.org? He seems fascinating person and I'd really enjoy to see the whole interview. |
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20:08
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SketchCow |
Yes, that's in the plan |
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20:09
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primus102 |
Great, thank you. |
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20:37
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alard |
SketchCow: Have you had time to look at the JSTOR example? |
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22:21
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SketchCow |
No, not even a little. Let me get on that. |
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22:21
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SketchCow |
So, I have a hilarious idea. |
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22:21
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SketchCow |
I mean, pretty f'in hilarious. |
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22:21
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SketchCow |
A real stick in the fuckin' eye for JSTOR |
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22:21
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SketchCow |
On board? |
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22:27
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chronomex |
this sounds like it could be fun |
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22:31
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SketchCow |
Here's the problem. |
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22:32
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SketchCow |
JSTOR has made a violation of terms of service to use a crawler or script to download. |
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22:33
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chronomex |
I saw |
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22:39
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* |
ersi wants to know about the potential stick in the eye for JSTOR |
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22:39
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* |
ersi bounces |
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22:39
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closure |
so, something like PACER but with a list of articles for users to manually view? |
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22:40
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chronomex |
maybe we could load them in tiny iframes, a zillion to a page |
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22:40
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chronomex |
"here load this page with your browser" |
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22:41
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closure |
er, like the thing used to liberate cases from PACER that is |
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22:41
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chronomex |
yes, like that |
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22:41
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closure |
RECAP is what I meant |
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22:42
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chronomex |
right |
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23:18
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SketchCow |
Sorry, was dealing with kids. |
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23:18
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SketchCow |
I'm doing babysitting. |
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23:18
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SketchCow |
BEST BABYSITTER EVER |
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23:18
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SketchCow |
OK, so here's my idea |
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23:18
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SketchCow |
Archive Team page. |
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23:19
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SketchCow |
You go to it, and click a button, and then get the stor terms of service, and then it downloads a random paper from a list. |
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23:19
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closure |
yeps |
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23:19
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SketchCow |
And people can click from that all |
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23:21
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chronomex |
how many papers are we talking |
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23:21
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closure |
how do they upload it back to us? |
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23:29
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SketchCow |
I'm trying to figure this out. |
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23:29
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SketchCow |
http://www.jstor.org/page/info/about/policies/terms.jsp |
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23:30
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SketchCow |
(c) undertake any activity such as computer programs that automatically download or export Content, commonly known as web robots, spiders, crawlers, |
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23:30
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SketchCow |
wanderers or accelerators that may interfere with, disrupt or otherwise burden the JSTOR server(s) or any third-party server(s) being used or accessed in connection |
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23:30
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SketchCow |
with JSTOR; or |
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23:30
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SketchCow |
(d) make any use, display, performance, reproduction, or distribution that exceeds or violates these Terms and Conditions of Service and the Content-Specific |
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23:30
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SketchCow |
Terms and Conditions of Use. |
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23:40
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db48x |
http://about.jstor.org/terms-and-conditions-for-use, section 2.3.f specifically forbids creating a repository of material from JSTOR |
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23:45
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chronomex |
I seem to recall a court ruling that terms and conditions are not binding |
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23:47
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DFJustin |
if it's the one I'm thinking of I believe it was that violating the conditions doesn't constitute unauthorized use of a computer (=criminal hacking) but there would probably still be a civil cause of action |
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23:48
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DFJustin |
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/United_States_v._Lori_Drew |
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23:51
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chronomex |
since when has archiveteam given a fuck about t&cs? |
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23:54
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dashcloud |
let's say somehow we manage to get a large set of them- where would they be hosted? I don't think archive.org can hold any of them except the public domain ones |
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23:54
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dashcloud |
unless someone plans to host them indefinitely, they'd have to go on piratebay or somewhere similar |
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23:55
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DFJustin |
the goal was to get the PD ones |
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23:55
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dashcloud |
okay |
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23:57
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SketchCow |
archive.org will host the PD ones. |
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23:57
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SketchCow |
That's what I mean. |
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23:57
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SketchCow |
Download all the freedome |
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23:57
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SketchCow |
I agree, we COULD just go get it. |
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23:57
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SketchCow |
And probably be fine. |
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23:57
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SketchCow |
But Archive Team is activist, and turning it all into a hilarious game would be great. |
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23:58
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SketchCow |
Like "Congratulations! You just freed THE PROCEEDINGS OF H. PUNTER GALTERFAST (1832) |
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23:58
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SketchCow |
" |
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23:58
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db48x |
:) |
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23:58
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SketchCow |
I can arrange a one-off server for this |
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23:58
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SketchCow |
And we can just do it |
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23:58
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SketchCow |
If someone wants to jam a little CGI |