[01:00] from reddit: Best Buy's circular, 15 years ago: http://gregarious24.imgur.com/best_buy_flyer_september_1996 [01:01] haha wow [01:01] that's great. [01:01] 7.9 oz. Cellular Phone [01:01] only $70 for a pager [01:02] I love this stuff [01:52] someone's collected all the RadioShack catalogs here: http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/ [01:55] DOOSHBAG [01:55] Yeah [01:56] http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1558 [01:58] lmao [02:03] thanks for setting me straight [02:03] http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs/1939/pages/001.jpg [02:03] http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs/1939/pages/002.jpg [02:04] looks easy enough to snag out of the evil flash viewer [02:07] If you read my article, you see I did that. [02:07] Tell you what, let me throw those fuckers right on up. [02:07] http://pdf.textfiles.com/catalogs/RADIOSHACK/ [02:07] i hadn't gotten that far in yet [02:09] My theme song for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3bfR3RKdO0 [02:11] Get freaky like my lady pyramid! [02:11] You think I got these CATALOGS by being slow? I got this 'cause I'm faaaaaaaaaaaaaast [02:11] You think I got these JSTOR DOCS by being slow? I got this 'cause I'm faaaaaaaaaaaaaast [02:27] Ah, fuck, I just checked. [02:28] These are watermarked to shit, and ALSO are shitty shitty scans. [02:28] SHHHHHIITTTTTTYYYYYYYYY [02:28] so worse than nothing? [02:28] Yes [02:28] That bad [02:28] I will make better ones when I get the rig [02:29] Did you guys see the talk and the rig? [02:29] I didn't see watermarks, at least in the few I looked at [02:29] talk and rig? [02:29] Look at the bottom [02:29] I saw the picture [02:29] oh [02:29] can I buy one mostly assembled, or is it only available in pieces? [02:29] there it is [02:29] http://t.co/8XmdmJmz [02:30] http://t.co/yLJhLjGn [02:30] First is the video, second is a phot. [02:30] photo. [02:32] I could finally scan my copy of Ebay Magazine, Dec 1999 then [02:32] man... I'd like a rig :-\ [02:32] As part of the documentary shooting, I'll take the rig with me and scan things. :) [02:34] is $300 too little for one of those rigs? [02:34] Too little? [02:36] how much would one of those cost? [02:36] Sub $500 is the plan but it's $133 in materials currently. [02:37] So it may hover there. [02:37] He wants it low cost as possible. [02:37] I saw an older DIYBookScanner talk... I think it was at goolge [02:37] Yes, same fellow. [02:41] I also need to finish my 16mm film scanner [02:45] one of my neighbors really doesn't like spending money, so he came up with a hackish way to handle slides without a projector- shine a bright light onto them with a white wall, and then photograph the result [02:47] heh [03:03] oh shit no book is safe [03:10] Coderjoe: neat, im wanting to make one of those. how are you doing it? [03:11] dashcloud: too cheap for a $10 slideproj? ive had goodish results digitising microfiche with a backlit surface and a decent slr with macro lens [03:13] chronomex: I'm modifying an elmo sl16 to (hopefully) widen the gate to show the optical sound, remove the shutter fan, and use a backlight plus a DSLR with a macro lens [03:13] don't know that- interesting to hear about your idea there [03:13] i haven't touched it in awhile, however [03:13] last thing I did was remove a bunch of the guts almost 2 years ago :-\ [03:14] Coderjoe: nice. im planning to use the line ccd from a flatbed and some found optics [03:14] then do the rest digitally as possible [03:14] I was considering a line ccd system, but the optics would be tricky, imo [03:15] I wanted to use the whole CCD width for the film width [03:15] right [03:15] found optics => still looking [03:16] :P [03:16] doesnt seem 100% complicated, just tricky [03:16] (the SL16 was given to me by a guy I bought a bunch of old film from. the rubber rollers were moldy (have since been replaced) and the sound head was way out of alignment and missing a screw) [03:16] imo moving the film at a constant speed may be trickier than the optics [03:16] well, another problem is film transport [03:17] rollers, motors. toothed wheel from e.g. a 16mm proj. [03:17] geared-down stepper ought to do the trick [03:17] it's kinda cool to be in a channel with like-minded kooks :D [03:17] :) [03:17] if I went the line CCD route, I also wanted to go sprocketless [03:18] why? [03:18] less wear on fragile film [03:18] ah true [03:18] need friction feed then though [03:18] which mean things touching the film [03:19] though a normal sprocket is not as bad as the gate pulldown fork [03:19] jfc no [03:20] serpentine feed through several driven metal rollers might be better [03:20] the scanner the IA has is a capistan drive scanner [03:20] I wonder if bendng is worse than rubber contact [03:20] hmm? [03:21] interfacing a line ccd looks to be kind of a pita; you need to read analog pixels at ~1MHz [03:22] unless it comes with a driver chip ofc [03:23] http://blog.archive.org/2011/06/24/our-newest-addition-film-scanning/ [03:24] I kinda would like to get my hands on the frame and transport and replace some stuff, like the camera. [03:25] video about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXhF2J9ze2w [03:30] oh it's a frame-by-frame unit [03:30] interesting [03:30] most are [03:32] huh, ok [03:32] those are quite clear pictures from such old filmstock, it seems [03:32] so they use rubber serpentine rollers [03:33] that is, most motion picture film scanners are. still picture scanners are not [03:33] right [03:33] and it looks to photograph several frames at once [03:33] I suppose that lets it be digitally knit together into a continuous image [03:33] http://www.alliedvisiontec.com/emea/products/applications/application-case-study/article/avt-pike-keeps-old-film-memories-alive.html [03:34] actually, I think it only does one frame at a time, and you've got aliaing between the strobe and the camera shooting the video [03:34] http://www.cinevate.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=53_54 [03:34] * SketchCow drool [03:35] looks to be 3 + 1/3 + 1/3 video frames in the lit field [03:36] at least in the first demo, youtube is so slow sending me video that I can't watch this one realtime [03:36] right, but the camera only focuses on one frame. the strobe and snap is controlled by a laser aimed at teh sprocket holes [03:36] ah, huh [03:37] Hey, I'm on the radio, folks [03:37] http://www.unregularradio.com/index.php/geekbeat [03:37] oh yeah? [03:37] mplayer -playlist http://68.232.180.132:8000/listen.pls [03:47] oh, and the website of the manufacturer: http://www.filmfabriek.nl/home.html [03:48] wooo paycheck [03:48] * chronomex throws $100 down on Tape [03:48] yeah. [04:50] speaking of magtape. probably the most longlived way to preserve data would be punched plastic tape. [04:55] but the density is horrible [05:25] SketchCow: damn. this framescanner output is sexy. are there plans to re-scan the Prelinger Archives with it? [05:25] i.e. correctly; the bits of Prelinger I've watched are at 30fps [06:41] Done! [07:02] http://vimeo.com/29279198 [07:03] hmm, turning an audio recording of a data tape into data is going to be tricky [07:04] SketchCow: neat [07:05] some funky artefacts though [07:17] There we go... 79 issues of Analog Computing Magazine! [07:20] It is BLASTING them into the system. [07:33] Almost done [07:36] Done. 8 gigabytes of Analog Computing Magazine thrown in. [07:58] Hey, so the Friendster Snapshots are finally going up. [07:58] Not surprisingly, it's choking the whole chain to do it. [07:59] Speaking of Friendster [07:59] I still have all of my data sitting here [07:59] I'll take it sooner rather than later. [07:59] rsync.net has finally requested all THAT data get off their systems [07:59] I'm blowing stuff into archive.org full time right now. [07:59] But keep on me, I can give you a home [08:00] Alright [08:00] Maybe in a day or two even [08:39] hullo [14:41] is there a way to tell archive.org that a pdf has two pages per image and it should split them for the online reader [14:42] Hey: who wants to help download a bit of Delicious? I'm downloading with SketchCow's list of usernames, but there are too many names to get them all. [14:43] If you want to help, here's the script to run: https://gist.github.com/0c757431f249ba4c3a5c [14:44] (Don't know anything about archive.org and pdfs, sorry.) [15:04] I wonder if we managed to get any official TMBG friendster profiles [16:47] hi [16:57] hello n00b164 [17:00] whos is there ? [17:41] http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/09/20/1639232/Ask-Slashdot-Recovering-Data-From-20-Year-Old-Diskettes [18:52] nobody but us galliforms [18:53] Coderjoe: that looks familiar [18:55] heh, some interesting suggestions [18:55] electron microscope + tequila [19:05] how much does an analog oscilloscope with recording capabilities cost? [19:39] I've got scripts brutally injecting Friendster Data into Archive.org. [19:39] http://www.archive.org/details/archive-team-friendster [19:39] Lots of cleanup we'll need to do. [20:08] Ymgve: depends on bandwidth. [20:08] Ymgve: if it's less than <200khz, you can buy a digital audio recorder that might be sufficient [20:08] Ymgve: but depends on what you're up to [20:09] I thought for recording/snapshot capability, you pretty much needed a digital scope [20:09] I was thinking for floppies, not sure what bandwidth's required [20:09] Coderjoe: digital scope with analog readings then [20:10] one thing that annoyed me about the Cray data posted some weeks ago was that the data was flattened to a digital signal [20:11] I did an evil thing there, I must confess. [20:11] When I put up a picture of the disk pack, I put up a slightly different model. [20:11] Oh, did the nerds come out from the weeds [20:11] Now they're involved in the project. [20:11] it worked well enough for that data, but if you want to try error correction, the original analog data would be a godsend [20:12] Was it flattened? He didn't include the other rough data? Are you sure? [20:12] SketchCow: sneaky [20:12] floppies and hard drives are recorded as reversals of magnetic flux [20:13] SketchCow: it was, but it was still miraculously recoverable [20:14] which then cause a pulse as they pass the head, so I guess there would kinda be an analog level [20:14] yeah [20:14] yes [20:14] even though the difference between a pause of length 1n and a pause of length 2n was very close in some cases [20:14] hard drives do funky things to the analog signal to tease out the sequence of bits that was most likely to have caused it [20:15] Ymgve: so that cray data has already been decoded? [20:16] closure: yeah, http://chrisfenton.com/cray-1-digital-archeology/ [20:17] if you look at http://www.archive.org/stream/2011-cdc-disk-archaeology-fenton/summer_2011_final_small#page/n7/mode/1up - you see the signal at the top which I'd prefer to have, and the signal at the bottom which is what actually was in the files [20:17] of course, then the images would probably be like 100gb instead [20:19] cool, nice work [20:26] I wonder about the feasability of using FLAC to encode arbitrary signal waveforms, well beyond audible sound [20:27] depends on how FLAC works [20:28] Sample rate in Hz. Though 20 bits are available, the maximum sample rate is limited by the structure of frame headers to 655350Hz. Also, a value of 0 is invalid. [20:28] boo [20:28] it's not like FLAC isn't forkable [20:28] it won't work terribly well without mods [20:28] just gzip your pcm data [20:28] make gFLAC, the generic flac! [20:29] but for disk data, you'd want something that's good on signals with lot of self-similarity [20:29] (which is different from repeated sequences, which is what zip etch works with) [20:30] yea [20:30] but gzip has the advantage of being easy [20:41] chronomex: The framescanner is quite sexy [20:41] The files it generates are so deliciously huge too [20:41] The average roll of 8mm film is over 3TB [20:43] (I worked with Rick on it a little while there) [20:48] underscor: o_O [20:48] that's kind of big! [20:53] Ymgve: isn't that what kryoflux is for [20:54] DFJustin: possibly, haven't looked at it closely [20:54] I was just wondering about generic scopes [21:01] http://www.softpres.org/kryoflux:ui:stream-plot [21:05] looks like a fun piece of software [21:12] i've not used the kf gui much. it didn't seem to allow the flexibility of the command line... such as sampling multiple revolutions and things [21:12] one thing the gui can do that the cmdline can't seem to do is save JUST the stream files [21:13] yeah I only use it for looking at the stuff after dumping via cli [21:31] bunch of idiots suggesting spinwrong [21:42] spinrite sounds good in theory, but... [21:42] but it is a destructive "recovery" tool [21:42] a new drive costs $50, just image it instead of overwriting stuff [21:43] Ymgve: talking about floppies [21:43] yeah, even worse [21:43] you can't spare 1.44mb? :) [21:43] it isn't about sparing the space. it is about getting old data off failing disks [21:44] yeah, but the ONLY reason you would use that feature of spinrite is if you want to use the media afterwards [21:45] I have a great idea [21:45] You should talk to the softpres people [21:46] Because everyone will wave their e-peens to the heavens [21:46] They're good at that, you're good at it [21:46] Humanity will benefit [21:46] Maybe [23:11] do you have a guide somewhere to digitizing VHS tapes? or is there a guide you recommend over others? [23:20] http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/09/the-ruins-of-dead-social-networks/245397/#.TnjqN5cgT00.hackernews [23:22] social shoals