[21:17] interesting... [21:17] ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/ [21:19] What is that? [21:19] archive of usenet control messages from 1991 onward [21:20] (minus a month around august 1992) [21:20] You know what, we should just mirror that fucker. [21:20] I'm going to grab it. [21:21] info about it: ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/README [21:21] I'm grabbing all of ftp.isc.org. [21:22] It won't be that much. [21:58] hey sketchcow [21:58] Hey [21:58] heya [21:59] so, when do you want block party to go off? [21:59] got a date in december? [22:01] I am positive it's not happening this year. [22:01] HOWEVER [22:01] I would like to talk about a different event with you. [22:01] oh! [22:01] well you said you'd wanted to schedule it in december at the made [22:01] but another event works [22:01] Yes, I wanted, but the main organizer's been a little distracted. [22:02] Not responding, etc. [22:02] I'm going to e-mail you in with them, it's a vintage computer group. [22:02] Perfect for you. [22:02] ok great [22:02] we can get Sallem in on it [22:02] if he has time [22:02] we have a slot open in december for you [22:02] solidify the date and we'll block a weekend for yer event [22:02] This is the group who went to Sellam's things until Sellam disappeared and stopped doing them. [22:02] lol [22:02] So good luck bringing him in. :) [22:03] he'll be fine with it [22:03] sallems complaint was that he ran everything and no one helped [22:03] so if we run everything he cant complain [22:03] anyway, we have space for an expo area of about 1500 sq ft, and a meeting room for talks [22:03] OK, good. [22:03] That should be fine. [22:03] not a ton of room, but the rest of the building is empty on weekends, and people can hide in stairwells and hallways to code [22:05] sketchcow: #noisebridge is spreading the rumor that if they say your name 3 times, you'll appear [22:09] Always good [22:09] Or maybe being made fun of [22:09] Or they want me for hugs [22:09] no [22:09] I'm in SF end of October [22:09] oh good [22:09] you must visit the space [22:09] hopefully eberything will be off the floor and we'll have furniture by then [22:09] I'd like to! [22:09] oh, BTW: are there any multispeed floppy drives available for usb? [22:09] for writing old apple 2 disks [22:10] or better, 3.5" floppy usb tjhat can write lisa-readable disks [22:10] VonGuard: uhm, no. [22:10] there needs to be one [22:10] or at least a spec and software for building one [22:10] you have to use a catweasel/kryoflux/discferret card [22:10] hrmmm [22:10] I should get my discferret this week [22:10] will report on how usable it is [22:11] by "card", I include USB devices [22:11] heh, I was just thinking about visiting noisebridge when I'm in SF next week [22:11] so, discferret can't write? [22:12] we have a functional lisa, and shit tons of software from an archive we found, but we can't do much with it. the Lisa can net boot, but it's ethernet version 1 [22:12] so 3.5" it is [22:12] closure definitely visit noisebridge [22:12] and hopefully the MADE will be open too [22:13] kryoflux can write. [22:13] Go look is up, I got the archive to get one, I have one [22:14] the kryoflux is supposed to have writing support now. I haven't looked into it yet, though [22:14] Noisebridge is freaking kickass-awesome-amazing [22:15] (I still owe SketchCow for taking me :) [22:16] perfect! Kryoflux [22:17] http://webstore.kryoflux.com/catalog/ [22:18] and the included software can be used to write an image to a disk? [22:18] oh it does 5.25 also? [22:18] nice [22:19] this is exactly what i've been looking for thanks! [22:20] I've successfully read apple2 disks with it using ordinary PC drives [22:20] (not flippies, though) [22:20] oh, awesome [22:20] 3.5's right? [22:20] i've done 3.5 and 5.25 [22:21] if this works for lisa discs, we can run a Microsoft port of a Unix port on a lisa [22:21] xenix? [22:21] yup [22:21] there's an awesome hotline server: preterhuman.net [22:21] they have more lisa software than i knew existed [22:22] ha, preterhuman.net is backed up left and right [22:22] oh, I have a xenix set [22:22] of DC42 images ;) [22:23] neato [22:23] i was shocked to see anyone still running Hotline servers [22:23] i've not played with xenix386 since 96... [22:23] made me want to run one [22:23] VonGuard: did you see Wired? [22:23] which one? [22:23] http://zankasoftware.com/wired/ [22:23] the software [22:24] ohohoho yeah [22:24] never installed [22:24] but i seen it [22:24] are all the servers as moneuy-grubbing as old Hotline servers were? [22:24] "click this link, the second word under her tit is the login" [22:24] lol [22:24] I use private servers, so idk [22:25] i haven't heard of hotline in a long time. wasn't aware anyone still ran it [22:25] :p [22:25] They do, indeed [22:25] bittorrent is all the rage these days [22:26] i've been searching for cracks for old macintosh games so we can run them in the museum without fearing losing the CD's [22:26] whattorrent? [22:26] meh, preserve CD images [22:26] lol [22:26] redump.org [22:33] boo. they only do game-related discs [22:34] Coderjoe: yeah :( [22:34] I'll have to talk to some people. [22:47] Torrents to process: [22:47] HDA: 88 [22:47] PTP: 1792 [22:47] BTN: 478 [22:47] WCD: 1886 [22:48] LZTR: 55 [22:48] FUX: 177 [22:48] whoops [22:48] damn, didn't mean to paste that here [22:48] whoops :P [22:48] fucking right click paste [22:48] underscor: I shut that off [22:48] lol [22:48] I also have irssi to prevent inadvertent pastes [22:48] set to prevent* [22:48] I like it, it just bites me in the ass sometimes [22:50] kryoflux only writes the software preservation society's IPF format images currently although they are planning support for other formats [22:51] so it won't be much use for lisa yet since they haven't done any IPF lisa releases [22:51] DFJustin: Lisa is basically the same as Mac GCR [22:51] they don't support mac sector images either :P [22:52] bleh. [22:52] only reading [22:52] VonGuard: you're with the MADE right? [22:53] yes indeed [22:53] hiya dashcloud [22:53] I sent an email about the donor party, and haven't got a response yet- need to make travel plans still, so a response would be nice [22:53] oh! [22:53] don't fret [22:53] party is in november [22:53] Heh, I'm also on the list for that [22:53] when would be best for you? [22:53] we'll schedule it around you if yer flying in [22:53] dashcloud, [22:53] it's the 18th right? [22:54] could work [22:54] we haven't set a date [22:54] so there is no date yet? [22:54] ah [22:54] november [22:54] sometime in november [22:54] we're sending out an rsvp soon and we were going to schedule according to responses [22:54] but if you have a date you'd prefer in november [22:54] I shall consider dates, and get back to you then [22:54] it might sway our decision [22:54] ok [22:54] sorry we did not reply [22:54] email me directly at alex@themade.org next time [22:54] i will respond promptly [22:56] that's fine [22:56] ok cool [22:57] I don't know if you've managed to get your hands on any retro dev kits, but I collected the software parts for a number of them [22:58] we did [22:58] we have a gamecube dev kit set [22:58] and an xbox dev kit set [22:58] we could use a net yaroz [23:40] pretty sure you could write a lisa disk image if you had the original to make an image from, though [23:41] that is, write the image to a floppy