[00:21] Back [00:21] WHERE IS MY HUG [00:22] * chronomex points to underscor [00:22] * underscor hugs SketchCow [00:22] Hahahahahahah, I like how we both did that [00:23] So are you coming to MAGfest, underscor? [00:23] * chronomex reclusters a table [00:23] hopefully this improves things ... [00:23] SketchCow: I can't come to the actual convention [00:23] Why? [00:23] I'd really like to try swinging lunch or something though! [00:24] My mom has flat-out said no [00:24] * underscor chuckles [00:24] Oh no, people playing games [00:24] aaaaa there is 8-bit music playing no nooooo get torch [00:24] Yeah [00:24] ha [00:24] hahaha [00:24] what is this? [00:24] www.magfest.org [00:25] Look at that den of iniquity [00:25] Well, I'll talk to her more about it [00:25] What the hell is the problem? [00:25] This was last night when I asked her, immediately before we got into a car accident [00:25] so she wasn't in the best mood [00:25] You want to do WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT (skiiiiid) (crash) [00:25] Pretty much [00:25] "4 Days of Non-Stop Games and Concerts" [00:25] next time, don't hold the fucking printout of the webpage in front of her while driving [00:25] insert shower joke here [00:25] little tip [00:25] aw, you had me all excited there was a magtape convention [00:25] It was, "So what is the theme of this conven... (lose control) (run into boulder)" [00:25] heh [00:26] How far are you from the convention. [00:26] Miles. [00:27] 29 [00:27] ~45 minute drive, which isn't bad at all [00:27] South, North, West? [00:27] (What are you from it.) [00:27] I'm probably 4 hours away [00:28] SWS [00:28] http://g.co/maps/7atsv [00:29] Well, we can discuss me stopping by for a visit if she wants to meet me. [00:29] \o/ Cool [00:30] Could someone get some good screenshots of proust.com as well as any relevant grabs of text? [00:30] This is a personal legacy site. [00:30] Which is now shutting in less than 30 days. [00:30] Claims to have export, of course. [00:31] hahahaha [00:31] how ironic [00:32] I guess 1,000 facebook likes does not translate to profitability [00:33] http://www.proust.com/story/tom [00:33] Oh, damn, there ARE public stories. [00:33] Who wants it. [00:33] http://depot.ninjawedding.org/proust-front.png [00:34] Obviously they're going under because they're shit, so there can't be many [00:34] google search will likely find all. [00:34] yipdw: Off to our wiki [00:34] yep [00:34] Speaking of which, I need to back up our wiki [00:34] $ whois proustproust.com [00:34] No match for "PROUSTPROUST.COM". [00:34] >>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:35:07 UTC <<< [00:34] hahaha [00:35] http://blog.proust.com/ as well. [00:40] What fucksticks. [00:40] there's no closing announcement on the blog, weird [00:40] hopefully they informed their customers [00:40] hahaha [00:40] they only lasted three months? [00:41] Official open in June, I think. [00:41] After 1.5 years of incubation after being bought or something. [00:42] that is fucktarded [00:42] anyway, http://www.google.com/search?q=site:http://www.proust.com/story [00:43] time to scrape the scrapers [00:43] ahahahah [00:43] Awesome! [00:44] You can still sign up [00:44] http://www.proust.com/story/58585 [00:44] lolololol [00:45] stop making more work [00:45] oh wait, I can ask you questions [00:45] * yipdw does so [00:46] aww, I need an account [00:47] oh, some of these "public" entries are worthless [00:47] see e.g. http://www.proust.com/story/sueiles [00:47] oh well [00:48] holy shit, look at the CSS for proust.com [00:48] it has classes like wf-proximanova1proximanova2-n6-active [00:48] http://www.proust.com/story/proustfuckedyou/timeline [00:48] Yes, my proust account is proustfuckedyou [00:49] how do i help with the scraping? [00:50] "Removal of Content. Proust reserves the right (but not the obligation) in our sole discretion to refuse or remove any Content that is available via on the Proust Service for any reason, at any time, without notice to you. " [00:50] You don't. Let yipdw handle it. [00:50] haha [00:50] right-o good luck [00:50] if I ever open up a public web application, I'm going to revolutionize privacy policies by replacing them with a GIF of a fuck-you gesture [00:51] internationalized using GeoIP of course [00:52] http://www.proust.com/story/jordancohen [00:52] oh, here's one that is completely open [00:52] http://www.proust.com/story/proustfuckedyou [00:52] ok, good, I'll start off building a list of URLs from Google, go home, and then see where that leads [00:53] Yeah, like I said, this is going to be a relatively small number of people. [00:53] Especially that proustfuckedyou guy. [00:53] it doesn't look too huge, no [00:54] ABOUT THE AUTHOR [00:54] SO THERE I WAS ON THE INTERNETS AND I WAS SAVING HISTORY AND IT TURNED OUT A PLACE DEDICATED TO SAVING MEMORIES WAS GOING TO DELETE MEMORIES AND I WAS ALL "YO FUCKSTICKS WHY U DELETE" AND THERE WERE ALL MMMMMMMMM [00:55] hahahahahaha [00:55] bonus URLage: [00:55] http://www.proust.com/story/proustfuckedyou/all [00:55] yeah, I saw the lifestream-ish view [00:55] might as well just WARC /story/* though [00:55] I *think* that'll be fine [00:55] Agreed [00:56] will try one and see if I can recover anything out of it [00:56] I'm currently fucking around with their exporter, to see if I can get it to spit out arbitrary users [00:56] haha [00:57] yeah, if that works [00:57] I'm up for that [00:57] It lives at http://www.proust.com/ac/story/export/generate [00:57] whoa, shit [00:57] Proust uses P3P [00:57] where P3P is the privacy thing, and not something cooler like Persona 3 Portable [00:57] But I don't know if you can fuck with cookies or something to trick it [00:57] sounds autogenerated [00:57] That's cool [00:57] erm misfire [00:58] https://twitter.com/#!/textfiles/status/154728513465876482 [00:58] AND THAT IS HOW YOU MAKE FRIENDS [00:58] Raph is the guy who killed metaplace [00:58] Because he got bought by the company that got bought by disney [00:58] lol [00:58] And they told people, on the 21st, to get their shit off before beginning of year. [00:58] December 21st. [00:58] And I said "Wow, no warning before holidays" [00:59] And then the community manager explained December 21st wasn't the holidays [00:59] fuck them all [00:59] Well, that's definitely true if you have no friends. [01:00] "@textfiles Some day I need to find you (GDC perhaps?) and actually share the story, confidentially, over drinks." ... wait, is he seriously thinking "jason scott will keep quiet my story of why I was forced to fuck over my website tenants"? [01:00] yeah [01:00] He really thinks that. [01:01] we should start calling people website tenants, rather than website users [01:01] See, Raph is PARTICULARLY henious, because the way he made his money for YEARS was writing books on player's rights. [01:01] "player's rights"? [01:01] Like, go look up "Raph Koster" and "Rights" [01:01] http://www.raphkoster.com/gaming/playerrights.shtml [01:02] hahaha [01:02] Like, years and years and YEARS AND YEARS of writing about how an MMO should respect the players, provide them certain expectations, give them glory, give them respect. [01:03] As my work with GDC, I've been basically adding all his speeches he's given at GDC about it. [01:03] (He speaks a lot at GDC) [01:03] And so book, he makes an MMO [01:03] Metaplace [01:03] And imbues with with all this shit. [01:03] And then? Well, then we saw. [01:03] meatplace [01:03] I didn't see, but I can sure take a guess [01:10] I will say this, though - as someone who makes part of his living needling the fuck out of people, I am surprised that Koster has made NO back-channel communications with me - not even a "you don't know what the fuck" conversation or an attempt to shush. All his attempts have been public, ironically. [01:13] does this have anything to do with that "a rape in cyberspace" shit [01:14] No, different. [01:15] Let me rephrase [01:16] I mean, "what ARE all these things" in relation to muds and mmos have been around since the early 90's, and raph has been part of that, as have I. [01:16] But this was more in the "game theory" things [01:18] speaking of crap & shit, did you see Yahoo hired Paypal's president as their CEO? [01:18] @troygilbert Basically, @textfiles believes I am a hypocrite because of the way in which Metaplace was shut down on short notice with pretty crude means to download your data @textfiles Sigh. For an archivist, you seem a lot less interested in history than in judgment. Owell, I made the offer [01:18] hahahah [01:19] Good choice, yahoo [01:19] the market shares your opinion [01:19] well ebay bought paypal so maybe some change will happen through osmosis? [01:20] I'm not really sure if this will make yahoo worse or better [01:20] considering how shitty they were already [01:20] * chronomex sits tight [01:20] the new guy has no media, advertising, or content experience- which should be interesting, as those are the primary items Yahoo does [01:21] did [01:21] but he has violin destroying experience, which goes great with Yahoo's current activities [01:21] https://twitter.com/#!/textfiles/status/154734424834060288 [01:21] wow, they didnt just luck out, they hit the super lottery jackpot of screwing up! [01:21] Closure and I had the same joke [01:22] I'm heading down to MD tonight. [01:22] Tonight! [01:25] okay, Proust story discovery running [01:27] er, or not [01:28] goddamnit Google, stop tossing random shit in the query string [01:41] Huh [01:41] So someone is disappointed I am attacking Koster, and points out his own situation [01:42] Where I guess something called playmockingboard.com was shut down on December 31st. 11,000 user-made games, gone [01:42] And I'm all "Well, nobody TOLD us, motherfucker" [01:42] So now I wonder what we can do. [01:45] http://web.archive.org/web/20110711184511/http://playmockingbird.com/ [01:47] damn, Google banned me [01:47] or botted me [01:47] that was quick [01:47] guess I should ease off [01:57] This self-discovery works with girls too [02:04] hahahahahaha [02:04] you're a dick [02:44] hahahaha [03:08] SketchCow: sometimes it does, but moderation in all things [03:13] SketchCow: Are you a special guest at magfest? [03:14] I'm just a presenter [03:14] Oh, I see [03:16] I mean, I have fans on the staff [03:17] And as we see with Raph Koster on twitter, I get along with EVERYBODY [03:17] hahaha [03:17] Goddamn this sounds like the BEST CONVENTION EVER [03:20] Well, it's for kids like you [03:20] I mean, it's all concerts and videogames until you puke [03:20] Yeah [03:20] THAT SOUNDS FANTASTIC [03:20] Fucking school getting in the way [03:21] Goddamn educators, jeez [03:21] School is school. Go to school. I'm just saying that you could spend a day there or something [03:24] http://www.publishers.org/press/56/ [03:24] No, I know school is school [03:24] and is important [03:24] I'm just ready for it to be over [03:24] I love discussing with this guy [03:25] He's going "well, it might be hard to archive... it's gigs and gigs of work" [03:25] I've had senioritis since freshman year \m/ [03:25] And I go "I have a 31 terabyte holding tank" [03:25] hahaha [03:25] Ooo gigs and gigs [03:25] Whole gigs. Maybe a dozen of them!! [03:25] Oh, damn, I didn't bring my flashdrive! [03:27] ok, my client is fucking retarded [03:27] sometimes if I hit backspace it closes the channel [03:27] < yipdw> ok, my client is fucking retarded [03:27] in fairness it is a very unstable port of the client to OS X [03:27] - Every consultant ever [03:28] hah [03:29] I didn't know SketchCow had his own gif [03:29] http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lf5c3tZG3L1qzih6bo1_500.gif [03:31] http://www.cow.net/images/getbusy.gif [03:31] hahahahahaha [03:32] http://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZisF18zUgpH7z643Bm_1pRCfmAFLCfZTgruz46gbTWP7DfzZJItlUWCzvI9OC7vM0JXnjq0EBK1jjb_1gO91q9JBR-C5CrkuGaann-DlgcCqxC2RqwTtwVZSqBa9KtpCNludOJa2zkNLFHJqyukvkPklQDiXtkm8FeOuwcDyocQ6IDqNnbStU93ss6Mnl6y3zucUzrWLmPYlhFo-Uek8olVJoLsH0rHRe1wXt-MB3ZvkrocO51Pr42rzLLHF96s-cnN6b_1vhP72kSIDikkEVUTZ_1sidI05RhhRUORLaKQrmzIGoJDLZ_1iXeNTM1pltuPyuOLX6nAZ0pdQNIu9AkCxLOZ3GWHthNDhbT0uClZ7AJ4lIMfVrYmxRt9XLMYB29SHJA_1SamuRB-o39cXDeDNMG [03:33] SketchCow: That didn't bring anything up? [03:33] Oops [03:33] Your search did not match any documents. [03:34] Also, fuck the Research Works Act [03:34] And Rep Issa [03:35] That makes me want to move to California just so I can vote against him [03:47] Oh so many great things happening [03:55] hey everyone, im selling a new samsung 17" laptop. $600 obo. best offer takes it. message me if interested. I7, 500GB Hard drive. BluRAY, 540GT Nvidia graphics and more! great system! contact me if intersted [03:56] saf: Wrong channel [03:56] Wrong planet [03:57] hey everyone, im selling a new samsung 17" laptop. $600 obo. best offer takes it. message me if interested. I7, 500GB Hard drive. BluRAY, 540GT Nvidia graphics and more! great system! contact me if intersted [03:57] ha ha [03:57] Oops, my hand slipped [03:57] down his pants [04:15] http://yfrog.com/klwigwdj [04:15] possibly the best NYT correction ever [04:19] underscor: wow [04:21] the source, btw [04:21] http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/navigating-love-and-autism.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss [07:28] SketchCow: im trying to put your ascii blog into a pdf for searching purposes. do you know of anything that will grab all the blog posts from a site and combine them? [07:42] underscor: That NYT correction makes me very happy [07:59] 's important [09:28] Greetings fellow archivers [09:29] Random note: Yahoo Groups doesn't seem to kick you out if you're mirroring a list archive [09:29] Good for my purposes [09:30] I've gotten scared after a guy closed a group (which of course deleted the archive) literally over night when I left tabs open viweing thing in the archive [09:37] Does anyone have experience with YG and know if you can archive things without throttling, or if that might get you blocked in the long run? (Right now I'm going at 1-3 s random delay between each request which seems to work fine but is also pretty slow.) [09:51] After about 1400 messages, I got a random 500 internal error... [10:44] excellent. [10:44] hmmm. [10:48] A couple of message IDs give me "Message does not exist in SergeModular" but does seem to be legitly missing [10:48] I'm now just oast 2000 message and no troubles. Excellent indeed. [10:49] *past [10:50] rad [17:07] so, there's some proust-grabbing stuff here: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/proust-pulling [17:08] additionally, a (very incomplete) list of users is here: https://gist.github.com/1566158 [17:08] neither Google nor Proust's people index give me all public stories, so I'll just have to converge towards completeness [17:08] I'd like to know if the WARCs generated by the pull tools are actually complete wrt a single profile [17:08] I'd check myself, but Hanzo's code site is currently down [17:09] wait, no, it's back up [19:13] anyone going to MAGfest? [19:15] Nemo_bis: Don't ask me! [19:16] who then? [19:37] wish I could afford it [19:38] (both monetarilly and in time off) [19:40] yipdw, Proust as in Marcel Proust? [19:42] ah, http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Proust [20:08] Nemo_bis: yeah, that's the namesake of the site [20:08] I'm still collecting usernames, btw [20:08] every time I get proust.com/people I find a few new ones [20:09] I wonder if they're just doing a random selection [20:12] well, better for you if that works [20:25] I'd rather they just list all public stories [20:27] I think it might be new posts [20:27] cool [20:27] someone posted their birthdate. [20:28] a little identity theft never hurt anyone [20:28] anyone have a pointer to a WARC viewer? [20:28] the Hanzo WARC tools don't ship with one [20:29] at least, none I can find [20:38] hmm [20:38] the sitemap lists the people page as changing daily [20:40] interesting [20:40] hasn't been updated in awhile, but the sitemap has a bunch of user story pages listed in it [21:28] http://i.imgur.com/Q8kV8.png [21:28] yep [21:33] does someone know who's crawl[0-9]{3,3} of Splinder download? [21:34] http://i.imgur.com/UyMse.png [21:34] Facebook added a "I dislike this" option? [21:35] i wish [21:36] underscor's most recent link shows one [21:36] I don't know what that means, though [21:36] It's a ff addon [21:36] sorry [21:36] oh [21:36] is there a server out there keeping track of dislikes? [21:38] yeah [21:38] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-dislike/ [21:39] heh [21:39] it's too bad Facebook will never have the balls to implement dislike officially [21:39] or any social network for that matter [21:39] I think that that has to be added into Diaspora [21:40] aNobii had one [21:40] oh [21:41] hmm [21:41] in that case, I want like and dislike buttons on person profiles [21:41] hahahaha [21:43] oh sonuvabitch [21:43] hat.es is registered [21:43] by a domain parker [21:43] I was going to use it to power my underground Internet hate machine [21:43] covert antisocial network [21:44] Damn! [21:44] Let's all chip in [21:45] ahaha [21:45] $ whois disgu.st [21:45] Administrative Contact: [21:45] Contact: Max Goldberg [21:45] Owner: YTMND Inc. [21:46] That's awesome [21:47] Man, fully spinning 7200rpm harddrives have quite a bit of gyroscopic stability [21:47] OOH [21:47] whois hate.rs [21:47] %ERROR:103: Domain is not registered [21:48] !!!!!! [21:48] I wonder how much it costs to register under Serbia's TLD [21:48] A lot [21:48] cause you need legal rep too [21:48] iirc [21:48] oh damnit [21:49] It's 79 for the domain [21:49] and 15 for the trustee service [21:49] "individuals who are foreign citizens if they appoint as the administrative contact an individual who has a place of residence in Serbia or a legal entity with a registered office in Serbia " [21:49] not too bad [21:49] oh [21:49] there's a trustee service? [21:49] A local administrative contact in Serbia is required. Trustee service is required if you wish to manage the domain through 101Domain. [21:49] Estimated time before this domain is activated: 1 Week [21:49] Trustee service is available that will meet these requirements for 15.00 USD / 1 Year [21:49] silly domains are silly [21:49] silly domains are silly, but so is marketing [21:50] http://hate.rs is more effective than e.g. haters.ninjawedding.org [21:50] yipdw: 101domains will handle the trustee service for you [21:50] I'll look into that [21:50] thanks [21:50] np [21:50] that's an awesome domain [21:51] one could argue that a web service whose only function is to surreptituously spread hate and venom is counterproductive [21:51] but meh [21:51] http://domai.nr/ [21:51] .nr is a TLD? [21:51] heh [21:51] apparently [21:51] i want http://ai [21:51] oh it is [21:51] no whois server [21:51] I wonder if anyone has bo.nr [21:52] Ahahahahahah [21:52] It's available [21:52] oh [21:52] my [21:52] god [21:52] nice [21:52] Domain name is too short, it can only be 3 to 63 characters [21:52] gaaaaaaa [21:52] also [21:52] boe.nr [21:52] :P [21:52] $700 a year [21:52] holy fuck [21:52] I might as well just register something under .xxx for that money [21:55] weirdly, love.rs is registered [21:56] toys.rs? [21:56] oh, I can also get quee.rs [21:57] my antisocial media / gay cruising conglomerate empire has begun [22:01] fors.rs? srs.ly? Equal parts derision and bewilderment. [22:03] too bad you can't get now.ai [22:03] might want no-w.ai so it is more obvious [22:12] argh, hard drive prices are really climbing :( [22:13] really shouldn't have put off buying them for so long [22:15] :D [22:15] * underscor glances at the pile of 15 2TB drives on his desk [22:16] :0 [22:16] i recently picked up an OCZ Vertex3 240 GB [22:16] that isn't related to hard drives, really, but so long as we're talking storage [22:17] I have three 750GB drives to test. they're enterprise-level drives that were given to me [23:31] enterprisey