#archiveteam 2012-03-13,Tue

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01:53 πŸ”— Coderjoe mmm
01:53 πŸ”— Coderjoe http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/31853
02:20 πŸ”— no2pencil SketchCow: Congrats on your HOPE talk approval! You doing anything at Natacon this year?
02:24 πŸ”— BlueMax I'm watching Get Lamp right now, I really should have done this earlier
02:25 πŸ”— BlueMax I couldn't stop laughing at "Are sales GOOD?"
02:25 πŸ”— no2pencil Like everyone else, I'm sure, I couldn't help but laugh at the blind guys comment about being in a dark room
02:54 πŸ”— closure I really need to watch Get Lamp sometime when I have not just had a hellish amtrak ride followed by 5 hours of trying not to wreck the car due to sleep depreivation.
02:54 πŸ”— closure as it was, my first viewing was not so good..
03:00 πŸ”— SketchCow OK BACK
03:00 πŸ”— DFJustin sup
03:00 πŸ”— BlueMax HI
03:01 πŸ”— BlueMax I love you SketchCow <3
03:01 πŸ”— * BlueMax fangirl
03:01 πŸ”— chronomex why hello jason
03:01 πŸ”— chronomex fancy seeing you here
03:01 πŸ”— SketchCow WHAT WHAT
03:02 πŸ”— chronomex wonder if we'll cross paths any time between SXSW and HOPE 9
03:03 πŸ”— chronomex I intend to spend a week or so in nyc before hope, fwiw
03:05 πŸ”— SketchCow A lovely place. Pretty women.
03:08 πŸ”— chronomex I'm actually in it for the subways
03:08 πŸ”— chronomex but yes
03:10 πŸ”— SketchCow Now playing the "how do I swap archiveteam.org over" game.
03:13 πŸ”— SketchCow Found it.
03:16 πŸ”— SketchCow ok.
03:17 πŸ”— SketchCow I've done the transfer
03:17 πŸ”— SketchCow Shit be broke, though, but at least it's not spam.
03:29 πŸ”— chronomex spam sux man
03:44 πŸ”— db48x`` SketchCow: the important things work
04:02 πŸ”— chronomex wtf
04:02 πŸ”— chronomex Expires: Wed, 17 Sep 1975 21:32:10 GMT
04:06 πŸ”— nitro2k01 http://xkcd.com/376/
04:09 πŸ”— BlueMax relevant XKCD for everything
04:09 πŸ”— BlueMax And a bunch of nerds to pull up a relevant XKCD for everything
04:10 πŸ”— chronomex no, it's post-0
04:11 πŸ”— chronomex it's just a very strange date
04:12 πŸ”— chronomex unix time 180221530
04:20 πŸ”— nitro2k01 I think we're still dealing with an epoch fail of some kind
04:26 πŸ”— chronomex ok
04:32 πŸ”— LordNlptp sadly some stuff is incomplete on archive.org still:
04:32 πŸ”— LordNlptp http://web.archive.org/web/20090107145345/http://www.ericengler.com/AsmIDE.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 is missing all the downloads of asmide, and the "new" asmide site based on the fsf project index is long gone as well
04:32 πŸ”— LordNlptp of the four zip files listed there i found three of them elsewhere; the borland one seems to be lost
04:34 πŸ”— LordNlptp http://web.archive.org/web/20080509064912/http://members.save-net.com/jko%40save-net.com/asm/ is the alt asmide site and seems even less completely archived than the original one
04:36 πŸ”— LordNlptp btw there used to be two mycroft plugins for firefox search that would let you stick a url in the search field and automatically pull said page up from archive.org; a bit over a year ago that stopped working and you always get a "we are experiencing problems" page, even though if you go to the url-filled field on said page and hit enter it works fine
04:36 πŸ”— LordNlptp is that some sort of ref-based anti-bot protection?
04:41 πŸ”— chronomex I would be very surprised if waybackmachine has anti-bot protection that you are running up against
04:42 πŸ”— chronomex try http://liveweb.archive.org/http://your.url
04:42 πŸ”— chronomex it'd be rather trivial to turn that into a javascript bookmarklet, which would be a simple button on a toolbar if you want
04:42 πŸ”— chronomex what is the url of the page you're seeing that complains?
04:44 πŸ”— DFJustin that won't work for any page that's gone from the live web
04:44 πŸ”— chronomex any page that's 1) gone and 2) not archived
04:44 πŸ”— DFJustin no like I tried it just now with http://members.save-net.com/jko%40save-net.com/asm/
04:45 πŸ”— DFJustin it used to be you could do http://web.archive.org/http://example.com/ and it would take you to either the last archived version or liveweb. but that stopped working a couple weeks ago, maybe by accident
04:45 πŸ”— LordNlptp huh
04:45 πŸ”— chronomex hrm
04:45 πŸ”— LordNlptp i had two plugins from mycroft at mozilla which did the web.archive.org thing (in two ways) but neither works correctly now
04:45 πŸ”— chronomex I always use http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://whatever
04:46 πŸ”— chronomex it does appear that something has been changed recently
04:46 πŸ”— chronomex also, the DTD on that page seems to be broken ;)
04:47 πŸ”— LordNlptp http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?name=wayback+machine
04:47 πŸ”— LordNlptp that's a modified version of the old one which broke years ago
04:47 πŸ”— LordNlptp maybe that one works
04:47 πŸ”— chronomex no, I don't see a way to easily jump to the latest from a url
04:48 πŸ”— chronomex /web/*/URL isn't so hot any more
04:48 πŸ”— LordNlptp the one by tahir azhar on here: http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?name=internet+archive is the one i currently use
04:48 πŸ”— DFJustin you can do it by entering the current date as a datecode, that's how the link rewriter does it
04:49 πŸ”— LordNlptp when i use the tahir azhar one i get to a page like http://www.archive.org/search.php?sourceid=Mozilla-search&query=http%3A%2F%2Fmycroft.mozdev.org&sort=-%2Fadditional%2Fitem%2Fdownloads
04:49 πŸ”— LordNlptp which says "We apologize but our search engine is having issues momentarily"
04:49 πŸ”— LordNlptp the search field however is properly filled and if i put cursor there and hit enter it works
04:49 πŸ”— LordNlptp gets to the dategrid page
04:49 πŸ”— LordNlptp which is what i wanted
04:49 πŸ”— LordNlptp i don't necessarily want the newest page
04:50 πŸ”— LordNlptp however its an extra step every single time
04:55 πŸ”— * LordNlptp is messing around with some vintage 2001-era mc68hc912b evaluation/experiment boards
04:55 πŸ”— LordNlptp these things are mad cool
04:56 πŸ”— LordNlptp and while i think a couple p pins may be blown on these boards from student abuse (they came from my university microcontrollers course where they have since moved on to more complex boards), the chips are still obtainable for repairs
04:58 πŸ”— LordNlptp they were made by axiom who seems to have abandoned them
05:03 πŸ”— * LordNlptp is trying to figure out how to put the axiom boards into pod mode, or if they disabled that feature
05:09 πŸ”— chronomex <3
05:09 πŸ”— chronomex yaaay 68k
05:09 πŸ”— LordNlptp nope. 68hc12 is 6811 based, more closely related to the 6800 than 68k
05:10 πŸ”— LordNlptp i DO have a coldfire board though which IS 68k based
05:10 πŸ”— chronomex you said 68hc912
05:10 πŸ”— LordNlptp yes
05:10 πŸ”— chronomex that's three digits, bro
05:10 πŸ”— LordNlptp that's the 32k flash version of the 68hc12
05:10 πŸ”— chronomex who the hell came up with that numbering scheme
05:10 πŸ”— LordNlptp 68hd812 is the older eeprom based one
05:10 πŸ”— LordNlptp hc812
05:10 πŸ”— LordNlptp blame motorola
05:11 πŸ”— chronomex it should be 68hc12m8 or whatever
05:11 πŸ”— LordNlptp 68hc12 is the rom based one
05:11 πŸ”— chronomex right
05:11 πŸ”— LordNlptp its technically 68hc912b32 and theres like 3 or 4 dozen other variants with more pins and peripherals and... etc
05:12 πŸ”— LordNlptp theres even one version with a risc coprocessor which swaps position with the cpu12 core on interrupts and allows for faster int handling
05:12 πŸ”— LordNlptp the old 68hc12s like this one max at 8mhz clock speed (16mhz input clock)
05:12 πŸ”— chronomex yow
05:12 πŸ”— LordNlptp the new ones go up to 50mhz with 100mhz input clokc i think
05:13 πŸ”— chronomex well, I'm a 68hc000 programmer.
05:13 πŸ”— LordNlptp hc000 or ec000?
05:13 πŸ”— LordNlptp i know 68ec000 existed, the ensoniq soundscape uses it as the cpu to control wavetable stuff
05:14 πŸ”— chronomex 1sec, let me see
05:15 πŸ”— chronomex 68ec000
05:15 πŸ”— chronomex I've definitely seen 68hc000s in the wild tho
05:53 πŸ”— LordNlptp ok figured out how to stick the board into bdm mode
05:53 πŸ”— LordNlptp now i just need to find a bdm cable...
05:53 πŸ”— LordNlptp actually i have these two bizarre charger cables which have the correct end (looks like rj45 but has 6 pins in the MIDDLE of the end opposite the wire)
05:54 πŸ”— LordNlptp maybe i can butcher those and use em
06:05 πŸ”— Coderjoe another file from the old toonami mpeg stash i recovered from some old CDRs of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMOu78bAdbQ
06:05 πŸ”— Coderjoe old-school "user" generated content
06:30 πŸ”— shaqfu Ooh, jscott's talk showed up on A&A
06:30 πŸ”— shaqfu Once the beer wears off I'll read it
06:43 πŸ”— SketchCow A&A?
06:43 πŸ”— chronomex http://aanda.com/
06:43 πŸ”— shaqfu SAA listserv
06:44 πŸ”— SketchCow Those fuckers always steal my content
06:44 πŸ”— SketchCow fucking fencing company
06:44 πŸ”— shaqfu Aw, I hoped it was about swordfighting fencing :(
06:44 πŸ”— chronomex nah, they don't steal it ... they just resell it like fences do
06:45 πŸ”— chronomex shaqfu: SAA = Sex Addicts Anonymous? that's what google gives me for #1 and #2 ...
06:45 πŸ”— shaqfu chronomex: Society of American Archivists
06:45 πŸ”— shaqfu aka paper people
06:45 πŸ”— chronomex that's, like, #4
06:46 πŸ”— SketchCow Is there a link?
06:46 πŸ”— chronomex no, they hate the web
06:46 πŸ”— SketchCow Or copypaste the description of it
06:46 πŸ”— shaqfu SketchCow: It was a newsposting on the listserv
06:46 πŸ”— chronomex pastfuckingbin
06:47 πŸ”— shaqfu chronomex: It was just the first paragraph of the HuffPo story + link
06:48 πŸ”— SketchCow ah
06:48 πŸ”— SketchCow And followups?
06:48 πŸ”— SketchCow Any?
06:48 πŸ”— chronomex o
06:48 πŸ”— shaqfu SketchCow: Not at this hour, no
06:48 πŸ”— shaqfu SketchCow: If someone does I'll let you know, but it's unlikely
06:49 πŸ”— shaqfu (God, I wish more people would follow up)
06:53 πŸ”— shaqfu Speaking of which, how'd the talks go?
06:53 πŸ”— chronomex nobody came
06:54 πŸ”— chronomex but then I was up against Al Gore
06:54 πŸ”— chronomex and the first genuinely sunny day all week
06:54 πŸ”— chronomex and in a venue nobody knew about
06:54 πŸ”— chronomex so, the 15 people who did show were extra special
06:54 πŸ”— shaqfu :(
06:54 πŸ”— chronomex I gave each of them fifty bucks
06:55 πŸ”— chronomex one of these things is a lie
06:56 πŸ”— shaqfu I was honestly stunned that PAX managed to fill a hall with game preservation
06:56 πŸ”— shaqfu Although I suppose that was much higher interest than most archiving topics
06:57 πŸ”— chronomex gamers really really care about nostalgia
06:57 πŸ”— shaqfu Yeah
06:57 πŸ”— chronomex it's astounding
06:57 πŸ”— shaqfu I think it's the short life of media
06:57 πŸ”— shaqfu Losing shit you grew up with hits really hard
06:57 πŸ”— chronomex hmm
06:58 πŸ”— chronomex and our typically shorter timescale leads to more apathy?
06:58 πŸ”— shaqfu "Super Mario Bros. 3 is at risk" is much higher interest to the public than losing Geocities
06:58 πŸ”— shaqfu chronomex: Could be that the transient nature means people don't think much of it
06:59 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm sorry I missed a PAX game preservation talk
06:59 πŸ”— chronomex I thik it's more the "oh damn that was last year hahaha burn it" attitude
06:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Not recorded, I bet
06:59 πŸ”— shaqfu SketchCow: Might be, but likely not
06:59 πŸ”— shaqfu A shame; they had a lot of neat people
06:59 πŸ”— chronomex fuckers can't spare a walkman?
07:00 πŸ”— shaqfu Henry Lowood, some fellows from various sites, and someone from LOC
07:01 πŸ”— shaqfu I felt bad for the LOC guy; he said they had no metadata standard written up yet, so it was "describe the phsyical media when dealing with games"
07:01 πŸ”— shaqfu Which is utterly useless
07:01 πŸ”— chronomex yup
07:01 πŸ”— chronomex MARC is a mess anyway
07:01 πŸ”— shaqfu chronomex: Little wonder they're throwing it out
07:02 πŸ”— chronomex who's throwing out MARC?
07:02 πŸ”— chronomex 1) there's soooo much crap in it already
07:02 πŸ”— shaqfu chronomex: Er, AARC2 is being ditched
07:02 πŸ”— shaqfu My mistake
07:02 πŸ”— chronomex 2) to effectively convert from MARC, you basically need to subsume it in whatever you're standardizing
07:03 πŸ”— shaqfu And why do you think it's taken decades to move off? :P
07:03 πŸ”— chronomex I wasn't asking!
07:03 πŸ”— chronomex file formats are an utter pain!
07:04 πŸ”— chronomex anglo-american cataloguing rules v2 == AARC2?
07:04 πŸ”— shaqfu Yep
07:04 πŸ”— chronomex dude
07:04 πŸ”— chronomex have you seen MARC-8?
07:04 πŸ”— * shaqfu looks it up
07:04 πŸ”— chronomex it's AWESOME.
07:05 πŸ”— chronomex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC-8
07:05 πŸ”— shaqfu Wait, 8? I was taught 21 in library school
07:05 πŸ”— chronomex it's this weird hybrid between UTF-8 and ISO-2022
07:06 πŸ”— shaqfu MARC's a mess
07:06 πŸ”— chronomex indeed
07:06 πŸ”— chronomex 00:03:04 <@chronomex> MARC is a mess anyway
07:06 πŸ”— shaqfu No wonder the archivists are moving off MARC-AMS
07:06 πŸ”— shaqfu I honestly suspect library school is the last time I'll have to care about it
07:07 πŸ”— chronomex marcxml is the new hotness in some particularly psychopathic circles
07:08 πŸ”— shaqfu The rest of the universe is trying to pick up AARC2->RDA
07:08 πŸ”— shaqfu But I honestly doubt RDA will take off
07:08 πŸ”— chronomex but punchard-compatible marc will be with us for a while more
07:08 πŸ”— chronomex my recommended daily allowance for marc: 0.
07:08 πŸ”— * shaqfu force-feeds chronomex a see-also field
07:08 πŸ”— chronomex nooooes
07:09 πŸ”— chronomex my favorite part of marc is how the titles of works are marked up with little flag dingle characters
07:09 πŸ”— shaqfu Yep
07:09 πŸ”— chronomex and library catalogs always translate that shit to " / " or " - " and it looks confusing as fuck
07:10 πŸ”— shaqfu I think the only people that teach cataloging are people that are at least as old as ol' Melvil Dewey
07:10 πŸ”— shaqfu Since nobody else used computers back when MARC made sense
07:11 πŸ”— chronomex so what's your background, shaqfu?
07:11 πŸ”— chronomex haven't chatted with you much before.
07:11 πŸ”— shaqfu chronomex: Recent library school grad, trying to get an archives job
07:12 πŸ”— shaqfu It's not working out, at all, but I love AT's ideal, so...
07:12 πŸ”— chronomex hah
07:12 πŸ”— chronomex cool
07:12 πŸ”— chronomex you are a delaware corporation?
07:12 πŸ”— shaqfu chronomex: Hunh?
07:12 πŸ”— shaqfu Jersey boy here
07:12 πŸ”— chronomex 00:12:31 [EFNet] -!- shaqfu [~shaqfu@c-68-39-220-92.hsd1.de.comcast.net]
07:12 πŸ”— shaqfu Oh
07:12 πŸ”— chronomex ok
07:13 πŸ”— shaqfu Guess Comcast routes me through there
07:13 πŸ”— chronomex aye
07:13 πŸ”— shaqfu That's explain why WorldCat uses Delaware as my location...
07:13 πŸ”— chronomex aye
07:14 πŸ”— chronomex so, you're a librarian. where'd you go to school? any interests outside librarying?
07:14 πŸ”— shaqfu chronomex: Rutgers
07:14 πŸ”— chronomex or librarianism or whatever it's called
07:14 πŸ”— chronomex ah, I've heard that name before ;)
07:14 πŸ”— shaqfu I dunno what the adjective is; I use "librarianship"
07:15 πŸ”— shaqfu I love the idea of actual digital archiving, but nobody else seems to outside of AT :(
07:15 πŸ”— shaqfu From what I've seen, "digital archiving" tends to mean "can write up EAD stuff"
07:16 πŸ”— chronomex hey no
07:16 πŸ”— chronomex archive.org does shitpiles of archivism
07:16 πŸ”— shaqfu chronomex: archive.org is the exception
07:16 πŸ”— chronomex yes
07:16 πŸ”— shaqfu Seriously, look at digital archivist job postings
07:16 πŸ”— shaqfu It's for people that can write web pages
07:16 πŸ”— chronomex where?
07:16 πŸ”— chronomex what?
07:16 πŸ”— chronomex that doesn't make sense.
07:17 πŸ”— shaqfu chronomex: I agree
07:18 πŸ”— shaqfu Well, ignoring the ones that require a high school degree...
07:19 πŸ”— shaqfu http://www.higheredjobs.com/search/details.cfm?JobCode=175598145&Title=Digital%20Archivist%20-%20520101%20Aa%20Library%20Services
07:20 πŸ”— shaqfu http://archivesgig.livejournal.com/497444.html
07:20 πŸ”— shaqfu No comment on what happened when Rutgers SC/UA was suddenly handed a computer
07:22 πŸ”— chronomex phrases that get on my nerves: "born digital", "millenial"
07:23 πŸ”— shaqfu I don't mind the former - it helps differentiate from "shit that was scanned" but yeah at the latter
07:23 πŸ”— chronomex sure
07:23 πŸ”— chronomex they occupy the same bucket in my mind
07:23 πŸ”— chronomex dunno why
07:23 πŸ”— chronomex anyway, bedtime.
07:23 πŸ”— shaqfu G'nite
07:24 πŸ”— SketchCow https://twitter.com/#!/hotdogsladies/status/179460576244797441
07:45 πŸ”— ersi shaqfu: Well, there's a few state/national libraries that are doing digital archiving. I know that ours are mandated to digitalize continously
07:45 πŸ”— ersi but yeah, not that many into archiving in general :)
16:29 πŸ”— chronomex oh did you hear
16:30 πŸ”— chronomex twitter has fucked us all over with #!/ bullshit
16:30 πŸ”— chronomex they finally decided that was a bad idea and are going to undo it
16:30 πŸ”— dnova what idea
16:30 πŸ”— chronomex though they will need to keep a piece of js on their homepage forever
16:30 πŸ”— Aranje haha
16:30 πŸ”— Aranje yes, I saw an article about that last week
16:31 πŸ”— chronomex five bucks says it won't be there in 5 years
16:31 πŸ”— Aranje yep
16:31 πŸ”— Aranje break ALL the thinks
16:31 πŸ”— Aranje s/thinks/links/
16:31 πŸ”— chronomex urls? fuck em.
16:31 πŸ”— chronomex we have SOCIALS
16:32 πŸ”— Aranje I read that article alongside all the `right` ways to do it, with html5 history api or whatever
16:32 πŸ”— chronomex sure whatever
16:32 πŸ”— Aranje also the shit where it takes 2mb to load a single tweet
16:33 πŸ”— chronomex urls get in my way i need to make a online social reputation market for hobos imma destroy the digital divide and make shitpiles of money GET OUT OF MY WAY i have money
16:36 πŸ”— Aranje same shit with t.co though
16:37 πŸ”— Aranje when's that shortener gonna die and have every copy-pasted tweet on the net break
16:37 πŸ”— Aranje :/
16:50 πŸ”— closure url for the twitter #! ?
17:10 πŸ”— chronomex http://storify.com/timhaines/hashbang-conversation
18:02 πŸ”— Schbirid http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7525/screenshotdosboxcvscpus.png
18:04 πŸ”— nitro2k01 zOMG!
18:07 πŸ”— Ymgve latest version got monitor distortion?
18:07 πŸ”— Schbirid http://www.si-gamer.net/gulikoza/ some shader stuff
18:12 πŸ”— chronomex Ymgve: hah, weird.
18:40 πŸ”— Schbirid first time i visit http://gunkies.org/wiki/Main_Page
19:06 πŸ”— DFJustin http://www.archive.org/download/pcworld-komputer-2002-12/pcworld-komputer-2002-12.zip/12%2Fa%2FCdinst%2FJpg%2FP11.JPG
19:32 πŸ”— Schbirid DFJustin: that is polanski's pirate movie. great fun
23:06 πŸ”— Coderjoe chronomex: you're slightly wrong. twitter fucked us over when they added the hashbang. they finally REALIZED they fucked us over and that it was a bad idea.
23:24 πŸ”— balrog wow took them this long to get rid of itҀ¦
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