[01:53] mmm [01:53] http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/31853 [02:20] SketchCow: Congrats on your HOPE talk approval! You doing anything at Natacon this year? [02:24] I'm watching Get Lamp right now, I really should have done this earlier [02:25] I couldn't stop laughing at "Are sales GOOD?" [02:25] Like everyone else, I'm sure, I couldn't help but laugh at the blind guys comment about being in a dark room [02:54] I really need to watch Get Lamp sometime when I have not just had a hellish amtrak ride followed by 5 hours of trying not to wreck the car due to sleep depreivation. [02:54] as it was, my first viewing was not so good.. [03:00] OK BACK [03:00] sup [03:00] HI [03:01] I love you SketchCow <3 [03:01] * BlueMax fangirl [03:01] why hello jason [03:01] fancy seeing you here [03:01] WHAT WHAT [03:02] wonder if we'll cross paths any time between SXSW and HOPE 9 [03:03] I intend to spend a week or so in nyc before hope, fwiw [03:05] A lovely place. Pretty women. [03:08] I'm actually in it for the subways [03:08] but yes [03:10] Now playing the "how do I swap archiveteam.org over" game. [03:13] Found it. [03:16] ok. [03:17] I've done the transfer [03:17] Shit be broke, though, but at least it's not spam. [03:29] spam sux man [03:44] SketchCow: the important things work [04:02] wtf [04:02] Expires: Wed, 17 Sep 1975 21:32:10 GMT [04:06] http://xkcd.com/376/ [04:09] relevant XKCD for everything [04:09] And a bunch of nerds to pull up a relevant XKCD for everything [04:10] no, it's post-0 [04:11] it's just a very strange date [04:12] unix time 180221530 [04:20] I think we're still dealing with an epoch fail of some kind [04:26] ok [04:32] sadly some stuff is incomplete on archive.org still: [04:32] http://web.archive.org/web/20090107145345/http://www.ericengler.com/AsmIDE.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 is missing all the downloads of asmide, and the "new" asmide site based on the fsf project index is long gone as well [04:32] of the four zip files listed there i found three of them elsewhere; the borland one seems to be lost [04:34] http://web.archive.org/web/20080509064912/http://members.save-net.com/jko%40save-net.com/asm/ is the alt asmide site and seems even less completely archived than the original one [04:36] btw there used to be two mycroft plugins for firefox search that would let you stick a url in the search field and automatically pull said page up from archive.org; a bit over a year ago that stopped working and you always get a "we are experiencing problems" page, even though if you go to the url-filled field on said page and hit enter it works fine [04:36] is that some sort of ref-based anti-bot protection? [04:41] I would be very surprised if waybackmachine has anti-bot protection that you are running up against [04:42] try http://liveweb.archive.org/http://your.url [04:42] it'd be rather trivial to turn that into a javascript bookmarklet, which would be a simple button on a toolbar if you want [04:42] what is the url of the page you're seeing that complains? [04:44] that won't work for any page that's gone from the live web [04:44] any page that's 1) gone and 2) not archived [04:44] no like I tried it just now with http://members.save-net.com/jko%40save-net.com/asm/ [04:45] it used to be you could do http://web.archive.org/http://example.com/ and it would take you to either the last archived version or liveweb. but that stopped working a couple weeks ago, maybe by accident [04:45] huh [04:45] hrm [04:45] i had two plugins from mycroft at mozilla which did the web.archive.org thing (in two ways) but neither works correctly now [04:45] I always use http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://whatever [04:46] it does appear that something has been changed recently [04:46] also, the DTD on that page seems to be broken ;) [04:47] http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?name=wayback+machine [04:47] that's a modified version of the old one which broke years ago [04:47] maybe that one works [04:47] no, I don't see a way to easily jump to the latest from a url [04:48] /web/*/URL isn't so hot any more [04:48] the one by tahir azhar on here: http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?name=internet+archive is the one i currently use [04:48] you can do it by entering the current date as a datecode, that's how the link rewriter does it [04:49] when i use the tahir azhar one i get to a page like http://www.archive.org/search.php?sourceid=Mozilla-search&query=http%3A%2F%2Fmycroft.mozdev.org&sort=-%2Fadditional%2Fitem%2Fdownloads [04:49] which says "We apologize but our search engine is having issues momentarily" [04:49] the search field however is properly filled and if i put cursor there and hit enter it works [04:49] gets to the dategrid page [04:49] which is what i wanted [04:49] i don't necessarily want the newest page [04:50] however its an extra step every single time [04:55] * LordNlptp is messing around with some vintage 2001-era mc68hc912b evaluation/experiment boards [04:55] these things are mad cool [04:56] and while i think a couple p pins may be blown on these boards from student abuse (they came from my university microcontrollers course where they have since moved on to more complex boards), the chips are still obtainable for repairs [04:58] they were made by axiom who seems to have abandoned them [05:03] * LordNlptp is trying to figure out how to put the axiom boards into pod mode, or if they disabled that feature [05:09] <3 [05:09] yaaay 68k [05:09] nope. 68hc12 is 6811 based, more closely related to the 6800 than 68k [05:10] i DO have a coldfire board though which IS 68k based [05:10] you said 68hc912 [05:10] yes [05:10] that's three digits, bro [05:10] that's the 32k flash version of the 68hc12 [05:10] who the hell came up with that numbering scheme [05:10] 68hd812 is the older eeprom based one [05:10] hc812 [05:10] blame motorola [05:11] it should be 68hc12m8 or whatever [05:11] 68hc12 is the rom based one [05:11] right [05:11] its technically 68hc912b32 and theres like 3 or 4 dozen other variants with more pins and peripherals and... etc [05:12] theres even one version with a risc coprocessor which swaps position with the cpu12 core on interrupts and allows for faster int handling [05:12] the old 68hc12s like this one max at 8mhz clock speed (16mhz input clock) [05:12] yow [05:12] the new ones go up to 50mhz with 100mhz input clokc i think [05:13] well, I'm a 68hc000 programmer. [05:13] hc000 or ec000? [05:13] i know 68ec000 existed, the ensoniq soundscape uses it as the cpu to control wavetable stuff [05:14] 1sec, let me see [05:15] 68ec000 [05:15] I've definitely seen 68hc000s in the wild tho [05:53] ok figured out how to stick the board into bdm mode [05:53] now i just need to find a bdm cable... [05:53] actually i have these two bizarre charger cables which have the correct end (looks like rj45 but has 6 pins in the MIDDLE of the end opposite the wire) [05:54] maybe i can butcher those and use em [06:05] another file from the old toonami mpeg stash i recovered from some old CDRs of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMOu78bAdbQ [06:05] old-school "user" generated content [06:30] Ooh, jscott's talk showed up on A&A [06:30] Once the beer wears off I'll read it [06:43] A&A? [06:43] http://aanda.com/ [06:43] SAA listserv [06:44] Those fuckers always steal my content [06:44] fucking fencing company [06:44] Aw, I hoped it was about swordfighting fencing :( [06:44] nah, they don't steal it ... they just resell it like fences do [06:45] shaqfu: SAA = Sex Addicts Anonymous? that's what google gives me for #1 and #2 ... [06:45] chronomex: Society of American Archivists [06:45] aka paper people [06:45] that's, like, #4 [06:46] Is there a link? [06:46] no, they hate the web [06:46] Or copypaste the description of it [06:46] SketchCow: It was a newsposting on the listserv [06:46] pastfuckingbin [06:47] chronomex: It was just the first paragraph of the HuffPo story + link [06:48] ah [06:48] And followups? [06:48] Any? [06:48] o [06:48] SketchCow: Not at this hour, no [06:48] SketchCow: If someone does I'll let you know, but it's unlikely [06:49] (God, I wish more people would follow up) [06:53] Speaking of which, how'd the talks go? [06:53] nobody came [06:54] but then I was up against Al Gore [06:54] and the first genuinely sunny day all week [06:54] and in a venue nobody knew about [06:54] so, the 15 people who did show were extra special [06:54] :( [06:54] I gave each of them fifty bucks [06:55] one of these things is a lie [06:56] I was honestly stunned that PAX managed to fill a hall with game preservation [06:56] Although I suppose that was much higher interest than most archiving topics [06:57] gamers really really care about nostalgia [06:57] Yeah [06:57] it's astounding [06:57] I think it's the short life of media [06:57] Losing shit you grew up with hits really hard [06:57] hmm [06:58] and our typically shorter timescale leads to more apathy? [06:58] "Super Mario Bros. 3 is at risk" is much higher interest to the public than losing Geocities [06:58] chronomex: Could be that the transient nature means people don't think much of it [06:59] I'm sorry I missed a PAX game preservation talk [06:59] I thik it's more the "oh damn that was last year hahaha burn it" attitude [06:59] Not recorded, I bet [06:59] SketchCow: Might be, but likely not [06:59] A shame; they had a lot of neat people [06:59] fuckers can't spare a walkman? [07:00] Henry Lowood, some fellows from various sites, and someone from LOC [07:01] I felt bad for the LOC guy; he said they had no metadata standard written up yet, so it was "describe the phsyical media when dealing with games" [07:01] Which is utterly useless [07:01] yup [07:01] MARC is a mess anyway [07:01] chronomex: Little wonder they're throwing it out [07:02] who's throwing out MARC? [07:02] 1) there's soooo much crap in it already [07:02] chronomex: Er, AARC2 is being ditched [07:02] My mistake [07:02] 2) to effectively convert from MARC, you basically need to subsume it in whatever you're standardizing [07:03] And why do you think it's taken decades to move off? :P [07:03] I wasn't asking! [07:03] file formats are an utter pain! [07:04] anglo-american cataloguing rules v2 == AARC2? [07:04] Yep [07:04] dude [07:04] have you seen MARC-8? [07:04] * shaqfu looks it up [07:04] it's AWESOME. [07:05] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC-8 [07:05] Wait, 8? I was taught 21 in library school [07:05] it's this weird hybrid between UTF-8 and ISO-2022 [07:06] MARC's a mess [07:06] indeed [07:06] 00:03:04 <@chronomex> MARC is a mess anyway [07:06] No wonder the archivists are moving off MARC-AMS [07:06] I honestly suspect library school is the last time I'll have to care about it [07:07] marcxml is the new hotness in some particularly psychopathic circles [07:08] The rest of the universe is trying to pick up AARC2->RDA [07:08] But I honestly doubt RDA will take off [07:08] but punchard-compatible marc will be with us for a while more [07:08] my recommended daily allowance for marc: 0. [07:08] * shaqfu force-feeds chronomex a see-also field [07:08] nooooes [07:09] my favorite part of marc is how the titles of works are marked up with little flag dingle characters [07:09] Yep [07:09] and library catalogs always translate that shit to " / " or " - " and it looks confusing as fuck [07:10] I think the only people that teach cataloging are people that are at least as old as ol' Melvil Dewey [07:10] Since nobody else used computers back when MARC made sense [07:11] so what's your background, shaqfu? [07:11] haven't chatted with you much before. [07:11] chronomex: Recent library school grad, trying to get an archives job [07:12] It's not working out, at all, but I love AT's ideal, so... [07:12] hah [07:12] cool [07:12] you are a delaware corporation? [07:12] chronomex: Hunh? [07:12] Jersey boy here [07:12] 00:12:31 [EFNet] -!- shaqfu [~shaqfu@c-68-39-220-92.hsd1.de.comcast.net] [07:12] Oh [07:12] ok [07:13] Guess Comcast routes me through there [07:13] aye [07:13] That's explain why WorldCat uses Delaware as my location... [07:13] aye [07:14] so, you're a librarian. where'd you go to school? any interests outside librarying? [07:14] chronomex: Rutgers [07:14] or librarianism or whatever it's called [07:14] ah, I've heard that name before ;) [07:14] I dunno what the adjective is; I use "librarianship" [07:15] I love the idea of actual digital archiving, but nobody else seems to outside of AT :( [07:15] From what I've seen, "digital archiving" tends to mean "can write up EAD stuff" [07:16] hey no [07:16] archive.org does shitpiles of archivism [07:16] chronomex: archive.org is the exception [07:16] yes [07:16] Seriously, look at digital archivist job postings [07:16] It's for people that can write web pages [07:16] where? [07:16] what? [07:16] that doesn't make sense. [07:17] chronomex: I agree [07:18] Well, ignoring the ones that require a high school degree... [07:19] http://www.higheredjobs.com/search/details.cfm?JobCode=175598145&Title=Digital%20Archivist%20-%20520101%20Aa%20Library%20Services [07:20] http://archivesgig.livejournal.com/497444.html [07:20] No comment on what happened when Rutgers SC/UA was suddenly handed a computer [07:22] phrases that get on my nerves: "born digital", "millenial" [07:23] I don't mind the former - it helps differentiate from "shit that was scanned" but yeah at the latter [07:23] sure [07:23] they occupy the same bucket in my mind [07:23] dunno why [07:23] anyway, bedtime. [07:23] G'nite [07:24] https://twitter.com/#!/hotdogsladies/status/179460576244797441 [07:45] shaqfu: Well, there's a few state/national libraries that are doing digital archiving. I know that ours are mandated to digitalize continously [07:45] but yeah, not that many into archiving in general :) [16:29] oh did you hear [16:30] twitter has fucked us all over with #!/ bullshit [16:30] they finally decided that was a bad idea and are going to undo it [16:30] what idea [16:30] though they will need to keep a piece of js on their homepage forever [16:30] haha [16:30] yes, I saw an article about that last week [16:31] five bucks says it won't be there in 5 years [16:31] yep [16:31] break ALL the thinks [16:31] s/thinks/links/ [16:31] urls? fuck em. [16:31] we have SOCIALS [16:32] I read that article alongside all the `right` ways to do it, with html5 history api or whatever [16:32] sure whatever [16:32] also the shit where it takes 2mb to load a single tweet [16:33] urls get in my way i need to make a online social reputation market for hobos imma destroy the digital divide and make shitpiles of money GET OUT OF MY WAY i have money [16:36] same shit with t.co though [16:37] when's that shortener gonna die and have every copy-pasted tweet on the net break [16:37] :/ [16:50] url for the twitter #! ? [17:10] http://storify.com/timhaines/hashbang-conversation [18:02] http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7525/screenshotdosboxcvscpus.png [18:04] zOMG! [18:07] latest version got monitor distortion? [18:07] http://www.si-gamer.net/gulikoza/ some shader stuff [18:12] Ymgve: hah, weird. [18:40] first time i visit http://gunkies.org/wiki/Main_Page [19:06] http://www.archive.org/download/pcworld-komputer-2002-12/pcworld-komputer-2002-12.zip/12%2Fa%2FCdinst%2FJpg%2FP11.JPG [19:32] DFJustin: that is polanski's pirate movie. great fun [23:06] chronomex: you're slightly wrong. twitter fucked us over when they added the hashbang. they finally REALIZED they fucked us over and that it was a bad idea. [23:24] wow took them this long to get rid of itâ¦