[00:21] oh my god, git-annex is amazing [00:22] this is the revolution in fucking with gigantic piles of files that I've been waiting for [02:06] chronomex: I KNOW RIGHT?!?!?! :D [02:06] it's also helping me finally organize this shit *right* [02:25] :) [02:25] yeah [02:26] It's great because I have an organized tree instead of random folders shat all over the place [02:27] mhm [02:27] well I'm organizing my scanning [02:27] which is a mess because the scanning software is not very flexible as to where it lets you put crap [02:27] basically you can't shit anywhere on the floor, you have to go get a cardboard box first [02:28] and then you can't put the cardboard box where you want it, you have to put it on a pallet [02:28] but I really like how git-annex just uses symlinks to hashes [02:37] Woo [02:37] * brayden obliterates 5GB of data with a single keystroke [02:37] I should work at Yahoo [02:39] You'd get fired for inefficiency at that rate [02:43] lol [03:30] Hurrah! FOS is now at the lowest data amount it could possibly be. [03:33] Hello Jason, [03:33] I think your vision and the Archiving Team are fascinating. I run an operation that captures memories. My team managed to track down your email address. If you're New York based I wonder if you'd be interested in meeting for a conversation about the preservation of digital knowledge. [03:33] Kindly, [03:33] Michael [03:33] Hey, we all know what brilliance may come of THAT "conversation" [03:34] http://lifeandstyle.colincowie.com/fab_friends/michael-beneville/more [03:34] Huh. [03:37] Hey, DFJustin: The guy finished uploading all the ISOs! [03:38] And now? Oh now I am going to shove them lovingly into the collection. [03:38] Oh yes indeeeed. [03:40] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zXJ9jUu1aAY/T3N6jfz86II/AAAAAAAAR6o/I5skdsxSmQI/s1600/MetalBands.jpg [03:40] That's not fake [03:44] yeah. good stuff. [03:49] I'm impressed there are metal bands in Madagascar [04:22] For someone as famous as he claims to be, I can't find any of his work online [04:23] A shame; I was already recoiling at the horror of trying to manage "biographical artifacts" long-term [04:41] He's a strange one, yes. [04:41] shaqfu: No buddies have written me. [04:44] SketchCow: Hm, damn [04:44] Part of me suspects my mail server ate the email again [04:45] But I'd feel like a jerk sending a second one if it actually went through [04:48] Wait a few days and ask for verify. [04:48] Will do [04:57] All I mostly do is project/people management! [05:10] * BlueMax points at SketchCow. [05:10] Blame him! [05:29] TheUnarchiver is crazy interesting... but Mac OSX? [05:31] Link? [05:31] the core code for TheUnarchiver is multi-platform, according to its home page [05:32] so the OS X-specific bit is the GUI [05:32] yeah there's a command-line version [05:32] which is theoretically cross-platform but fuck if I can compile it on windows [05:33] So, in other software preservation news [05:33] I still like the Kryoflux. [05:33] BUT. [05:33] Obviously we can't use IPF. [05:34] olivier galibert came up with a quick and dirty format for mess called MFI [05:36] to do what? [05:36] store floppy flux data [05:37] They are going to be pretty angry when it all works out what's going on. [05:37] http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pgG5DLit [05:38] is this for the KryoFlux replacement stuff? [05:38] Yes [05:38] Oh man, are they going to be angry. [05:38] Well, I can sack up. [05:39] haha [05:39] i see ipf on that list [05:39] sack of nickels [05:39] it doesn't support all the quirks but it's reverse engineered [05:40] yeah, they're going to explode. [05:40] cool [05:40] well, their license blows [05:41] I know. [05:41] and why am I not surprised that chkdsk took about 5 hours? [05:41] The right thing to do is buy 10. [05:41] and the annoying thing is that I have no idea if it fixed any errors, because it didn't log the results, as far as I can see [05:42] And by the right thing, I mean the right thing to do for when they go absolutely ballistic. [05:42] mm, floptool [05:42] as for a archival format: philpem was working on something which uses tags similar to how PNG does it, would have to ask him though [05:43] the main issue is, as we all know, metadata [05:43] :/ [05:43] metadata is a PAIN IN THE ASS [05:43] ah. there's the log [05:43] not just with floppy disks [05:43] but with everything [05:44] well with floppy disks theres only so many variables: [05:44] disk type (5.25 whether sd/dd (with ring), or hd, and maybe the ring color not that very much used that [05:44] yeah, but metadata about what we know is on the floppy disk [05:44] yes [05:44] there's also date and time of read, who read it, where, ... [05:44] label info, where it came from, etc [05:44] disk label [05:45] box info if known, (origin, copyright date, etc) [05:45] any lot markings on disk [05:45] it's a lot easier and better if that's machine parseable rather than you having to decode the format and figure out from the data [05:45] and all that's actually not having much to do with the media at all [05:45] it's enough of a pain with scans [05:45] that's just external [05:45] oh and also notes whether both, one or none of the copy holes are punched [05:45] yes but it's important for cataloging purposes [05:46] that's a problem on 3.5" disks [05:46] and how many index holes [05:46] since some flippy disks have two holes in the vinyl [05:46] yes [05:46] and of course hardsector disks have 15? holes in the media [05:47] hard sector disks… yeah [05:47] something like that [05:47] that's all metadata; you could even jam a png image of a scan of the disk sides in the dfm as metadata [05:47] yes, but a scan isn't machine parseable [05:47] New channel. #floppydisk [05:47] true, but its for users [05:47] it's great to have, but it's not enough [05:47] Over to that [05:47] SketchCow: there is one already [05:47] SketchCow: don't we already have #floppydiscs? [05:47] #floppydiscs [05:47] Is there? [05:47] Ooops. [05:47] Sorry. [05:49] speaking of friendster data, did they manage to read that drive i sent? [05:58] No, I've still got it. [06:15] Speaking of friendster data, I'm still sitting on mine [06:17] Yeah, I can give you a slot. [06:17] I have a LOT more space to work with now. [06:17] Rsync work? or something else. [06:49] Yeah, rsync is fine [07:13] SketchCow: MetalScandinavia ;D [07:48] ha ha, 26gb of DNA Lounge recordings going up. [07:57] sweet! [08:02] There it goes, oh it's lovin' life [08:02] When I shove 82 nights of music. [08:03] That's 82*5 hours each night. So.... hundreds of hours. 400+. [08:04] Any good to listen to, though? :P [08:04] Duh [08:04] Well, you obviously don't get out [08:04] And this is a nightclub [08:04] So it could be an education right there [08:04] ...obviously don't get out? [08:05] Are you trying to say something? [08:05] Ha ha [08:05] Because it would probably be true. :( [08:05] No, I am SUCCEEDING AT SAYING SOMETHING [08:05] Do you want your fangirl or not, SketchCow? >:( [08:06] I'd like to visit DNA Lounge if I ever go near [08:09] DNA Lounge upload up to January [08:12] Now February [08:12] ha ha, this poor infrastructure [08:12] * BlueMax polishes SketchCow's boots [08:13] http://www.archive.org/details/DNALOUNGE-2011-12-02 [08:14] http://www.archive.org/details/DNALOUNGE-2011-12-10 is awesome [08:14] Go with that one [08:16] XChat is strange. I can't click a link, I have to right-click and then select to open it in my browser [08:20] Gah, now I have to write a metadata stripper. [08:20] hahaha Oh god, hit the 06:00 mark on that 2011-12-10 show [08:20] I just died laughing [08:20] I wonder if the IA people who hired you, really knew what they were getting themselfs into.. :-) [08:21] Yes [08:21] * ersi grabs DNAL 2011-12-10 [08:21] I promised a terabyte a month [08:21] Due to these various projects, I'm at 3.5 a month [08:21] :D Was gonna say "Well, I think you have a buffer going" [08:25] All the Bootie nights are amazing. [08:25] Like you'd be able to tell booty from a boot disk. [08:31] BlueMax, what's strange in it? :) anyway, it can be configured [08:32] SketchCow: Just me, or is that DNA Lounge recording distorting like hell? :) [08:35] Depends on the night, the day. [08:35] This is all soundboard recording. [08:39] Nevermind, it's something fucked up with my sound all of a suden [08:39] sudden [08:39] wonder what made it do that though :/ [08:40] this is really weird :D [08:42] There we go, 3 nights left to derive [08:42] Then it's metadata hell. [08:45] http://home.swipnet.se/~w-45603/index.html [08:45] I so need to grab all of home.swipnet.se/* [08:45] It's like, one of the Swedish geocities/fortunecities [08:45] Mmmh, last update 1998-12-27 [08:59] After a restart, DNALOUNGE-2011-12-10.mp3 sounds a lot better :-) [08:59] Good [08:59] I guess pulseaudio shat itself when one of my wget-warc processes used up all my memory [09:00] lol [09:48] Metadata issues fixed, although I have to snap them in by hand. [09:49] I'm going to have to grab more DNA Lounge. 1 hour into DNALOUNGE-2011-12-10.mp3 already :-) [09:55] The postal service is driving me crazy with this disc shipping. [10:23] http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.therwp.com/forums/showthread.php%3Ft=48139&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari [11:49] I know this is something everybody has 3 copies of but it still impressed me: http://i.imgur.com/vqBAs.jpg [11:50] i had a 50(?) floppy win95 [11:59] That's Win95 B or C [11:59] B or C? [11:59] Yes. Later revisions. [11:59] Not "with USB support" [12:00] And the late copyright date [12:00] *year [13:31] hmm [13:31] I found a couple of those "thousands of games" disks [13:31] probably worthless. [13:41] would the megaupload site still be valueable if it was just site, and no downloads? [13:42] for what? [13:43] To recreate it so to speak... [14:22] BlueMax, well, a couple disks are easy to upload :) [14:23] where should I stick them? [14:24] BlueMax, what do you mean? just as iso on a archive.org item [14:25] Well I know barely anything about them [14:25] so what? :) [14:25] so... [14:25] so. [14:25] http://archive.org/details/microforum-1000games <-- a birthday present I never used [14:29] yep please upload any and all shareware cds that aren't in the archive already [14:29] jason can move them to the right collection [14:29] OK, where's the upload page [14:30] http://archive.org/create/ [14:30] And if one is less lazy than me and also scans the covers, even better! :p [14:31] one item per disc, stick em in community texts or wherever for now it doesn't matter [14:31] no covers, they're burnt disks [14:31] but they have that shareware layout about them. [14:32] Does that matter? [14:34] not really [14:34] say so in the description or somewhere [14:35] Fair enough [14:36] I'll just rip them to my hard drive then [14:45] there was this old shareware compilation called Tiger Tryouts which I never found [14:57] did my.opera.com ever get archived? [14:57] Hehe, a pdo reader [14:57] eep, a highly evolved neural network [15:08] shit. md5summing my coverdiscrips, i always ripped twice. so far 4/4 have different sums for their two rißps [15:10] do they have audio tracks [15:12] nope, i skipped those cause they are more work [15:13] 5/9 [15:16] do you have another pc/drive to test [15:17] yes i will re-rip them with another drive :( [15:41] fml, only 9 images are ok [15:42] of ~25 [17:29] Doing the Metadata shoreup on dna lounge [17:39] is anyone involved in the archiving of twitter data around? http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-json-twitterstream-2012 [17:40] swebb's the point man on that. [17:47] ha ha [17:48] Jordan Mechner has ALL his old computer material now. [17:48] All the original Karateka stuff [19:03] SketchCow: does swebb pop in here from time to time? [19:04] oh this is swebb? http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User:Scumola [19:06] Yes [20:27] SketchCow: please check #floppydiscs when you get back :) [22:14] SketchCow: \o\ defcon /o/ [23:23] SketchCow: what do you need people doing for you at defcon [23:41] btw, for those who may not have heard: http://blog.archive.org/2012/03/29/wayback-machine-machines-are-moving/ [23:49] Coderjoe: thanks for the heads up. I've been meaning to put IA blog in my rss reader, but hadn't done it yet, so missed this. [23:50] http://archive.org/details/Over1000GamesForWindows