#archiveteam 2012-03-30,Fri

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00:57 🔗 ivan` so I was thinking about what kind of websites disappear or change completely without fanfare, and came up with government websites, especially ones that might go away like .gr
00:57 🔗 ivan` too bad they often contain tens of gigabytes of PDFs and junk I am not remotely interested in
00:58 🔗 ivan` if only disks were free...
00:59 🔗 shaqfu Pity Wayback is down; now I really want to look at the old Yugoslavian government pages
01:03 🔗 * ivan` has most of ecb.int and irs.gov and a few random .gr sites
01:10 🔗 chronomex ivan`: in what form? best for future work is .warc.gz :)
01:13 🔗 ivan` I am a bad person who uses HTTrack
01:13 🔗 ivan` I'll get my wget-warc set up though
01:14 🔗 ivan` I like having at least minimal control over my spidering after it starts. can I do that with Heritrix?
01:14 🔗 ivan` maybe if I write some awful Java code that hooks into something?
01:29 🔗 icysands sorry
01:29 🔗 icysands anyway, i can provide more tropicalwikis dumos
01:30 🔗 DFJustin anybody up for some dial-up doom action http://archive.org/download/cdrom-maximum-death-heretic/maxdeath.iso/BPS_UTIL.TXT
01:30 🔗 icysands i just need my hands on emijrp
01:33 🔗 shaqfu pre-DWANGO Doom, nice
01:40 🔗 SketchCow Hank redid the ISOVIEW.PHP file!
02:25 🔗 yipdw DFJustin: the biggest thing that gets me about that file is how much more diverse email addresses were back then
02:26 🔗 Coderjoe many appear to be academic
02:27 🔗 yipdw many are, yes
02:28 🔗 shaqfu The golden age of the small ISP
02:28 🔗 yipdw but it's still a big change from e.g. me looking through some git repos I have in which gmail.com is easily 75% of the commit emails
02:28 🔗 Coderjoe true
02:29 🔗 Coderjoe though I would argue against using an ISP-provided email account, simply because you lose it if you ever change ISPs
02:30 🔗 Coderjoe my dad actually registered a domain for several family email addesses after comcast pulled the plug
02:30 🔗 NovaKing Coderjoe: not always true
02:31 🔗 NovaKing i still use an email from my first isp
02:31 🔗 Coderjoe NovaKing: that is very rare
02:31 🔗 NovaKing i pay $10/y to keep it
02:31 🔗 NovaKing which is fine by me
02:31 🔗 shaqfu Who was your first ISP? Most got devoured by the big telcos here
02:32 🔗 NovaKing can't say, reveals where i'm located
02:32 🔗 dashcloud I'd like to thank whoever contributed PC Gamer cover disc 5.10- it's totally awesome and now I don't have to worry about losing my copy again
02:32 🔗 shaqfu NovaKing: North America?
02:32 🔗 yipdw shaqfu: my first one was AOL :D
02:32 🔗 NovaKing shaqfu: again, can't say :)
02:32 🔗 shaqfu Gotcha
02:33 🔗 shaqfu I wasn't sure if it was something like <City> Internet which would be a giveaway :P
02:33 🔗 shaqfu I don't even remember my old dial-up ISPs
02:34 🔗 Coderjoe my first encouters with the internet were through a michnet/merit dialin to access the traverse city freenet up at northern michigan university
02:34 🔗 Coderjoe wow
02:35 🔗 Coderjoe the name still resolves, but no ping responses
02:35 🔗 aggro I'm sure a PTR record could do wonders to narrow down NovaKing's address :P
02:35 🔗 shaqfu Mine was a few minutes on AOL's internette
02:35 🔗 shaqfu When you had a few categories/keywords and that was about it
02:35 🔗 aggro 1000 hours FREE :D
02:35 🔗 aggro (for 30 days)
02:36 🔗 yipdw aggro: it doesn't
02:36 🔗 yipdw at least if you mean via IRC
02:36 🔗 * yipdw tried
02:36 🔗 Coderjoe packets make it all the way up to nmu, but apparently have nowhere to go
02:37 🔗 aggro Heh. Worth a shot :P Mine is painfully obvious.
02:37 🔗 tev I remember that--and there are exactly 720 hours in 30 days. The pinnacle of false marketing.
02:37 🔗 aggro I think it was something like 45 days to avoid the false advertising claims.
02:37 🔗 shaqfu I'm surprised there wasn't an arms race of useless free hours
02:37 🔗 shaqfu ONE MILLION FREE HOURS (for 30 days)
02:38 🔗 tev Yeah, but given that no one can run on 80 hours of sleep in 45 days, I still say it should be considered false advertising. :)
02:38 🔗 NovaKing yeah, not sure what you would get if you try and find out aggro
02:39 🔗 chronomex tev: yeah. they added more hours once they moved it to 45 days
02:39 🔗 tev Yeah
02:39 🔗 shaqfu tev: You'd have to use the first 10 hours to learn how to build a meth lab, which would fuel the next 990 :)
02:39 🔗 tev I still seem to recall actually doing the math back in the days and still being appaled, though
02:39 🔗 aggro @Nova, a domain with a cool name?
02:40 🔗 NovaKing i would hope so!
02:40 🔗 tev shaqfu: Haha, nice
02:47 🔗 yipdw whoa, there's a FidoNet address in that list too
02:50 🔗 yipdw hah
02:50 🔗 yipdw http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rMuIHUspK50/TuShvONTx6I/AAAAAAAADWA/BGQ670VRvzU/s1600/Angie%2BBrown%2BClassic%2BPhoto.jpg
02:50 🔗 yipdw that was porn in CompuServe days
02:51 🔗 yipdw or so Wikipedia says
02:52 🔗 shaqfu yipdw: A friend of mine would grab ASCII-rendered porn via Usenet (bounced via BBS)
02:52 🔗 shaqfu He said it worked well until the mechanical keyboard woke his parents up one night :(
02:52 🔗 SketchCow The big reason I was so into making sure this ISO browser was working and easy to deal with was because I knew we were adding hundreds of gigabytes of important history.
02:53 🔗 yipdw shaqfu: I think you just hit on the biggest disadvantage of mechanical keyboards
02:53 🔗 SketchCow Jerk detection?
02:54 🔗 yipdw when dealing with ASCII porn, yeah
02:54 🔗 shaqfu He's harbored a hatred of Model Ms ever since
02:55 🔗 yipdw hah
02:55 🔗 Coderjoe and if you wanted a printout? oh the racket of the dot matrix...
02:56 🔗 yipdw I should scrounge one of those up and let it print while typing
02:56 🔗 yipdw a dot matrix printer plus this keyboard would be awesome
02:56 🔗 shaqfu Nothing kills a good porn night like having to tear the guide holes off line feed paper
02:56 🔗 SketchCow ...or does it?
02:56 🔗 SketchCow rrriipppp
02:56 🔗 yipdw while I'm at it, I need to find some new valves for the mercury lines in my core module
02:57 🔗 yipdw should stock up on vacuum tubes too
02:59 🔗 shaqfu Hey, I used to use IBM punchcards at work
02:59 🔗 shaqfu They make fantastic bookmarks
02:59 🔗 shaqfu Perfect size, acid-free (I think?) and sturdy as hell
03:00 🔗 yipdw I've never seen IBM punch cards
03:01 🔗 * shaqfu looks to see if he can find them online
03:01 🔗 yipdw oh
03:01 🔗 yipdw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FortranCardPROJ039.agr.jpg ?
03:02 🔗 shaqfu Similar, but not quite
03:04 🔗 shaqfu I just remember them looking nearly new, which meant we either bought them in the past 30 years or we're awesome at our jobs
03:06 🔗 shaqfu Eh, if you really want to know I can tell you who to call; it'd probably be the strangest call the reference desk'll ever get...
03:07 🔗 yipdw heh
03:07 🔗 yipdw I'm sure I can find some around here
03:07 🔗 shaqfu "Please tell me everything you can about your scrap paper"
03:08 🔗 Coderjoe me sure to breathe heavilly as it is being described to you
03:08 🔗 Coderjoe er, BE sure..
03:08 🔗 Coderjoe throw in a few moans, too
03:08 🔗 shaqfu Haha
03:09 🔗 yipdw speak in a whisper
03:09 🔗 shaqfu "Go real slow when telling me how many columns/lines there are"
03:10 🔗 chronomex ibm punch cards came in many variations
03:11 🔗 dashcloud check out this: http://www.pcworld.com/article/249951/if_it_aint_broke_dont_fix_it_ancient_computers_in_use_today.html
03:11 🔗 shaqfu Perfect timing
03:13 🔗 shaqfu Hah, those look like the cards we used
03:53 🔗 underscor Does anyone else get a perverse joy out of spinning cds in laptop drives after you put them in?
03:53 🔗 underscor or am I just a freak
03:55 🔗 berndj you mean while the tray is still out? yes, i love how smooth that bearing is
04:10 🔗 underscor berndj: yep :D
04:22 🔗 jessta me too
04:22 🔗 underscor good to know I'm not the only one
04:22 🔗 jessta I also like to eject it while it's spinning and watch it spin
04:24 🔗 chronomex sickos
04:24 🔗 chronomex shaqfu: also, tyvek punched tape is superior to punchcard
04:24 🔗 chronomex it has better retention even in non-ideal storage
04:27 🔗 underscor jessta: haha :D
04:27 🔗 underscor chronomex: I love tyvek <3
04:27 🔗 underscor I have tyvek spindle spacers
04:27 🔗 underscor they're fantastic
04:49 🔗 dnova I have tyvek lab jackets
04:50 🔗 shaqfu Tyvek is good stuff
09:11 🔗 Coderjoe mmm
09:11 🔗 Coderjoe holy crap
09:12 🔗 BlueMax What
09:12 🔗 Coderjoe Although he was the man responsible for its technology, Farnsworth appeared only once on a television program. On July 3, 1957, he was a mystery guest ("Doctor X") on the TV quiz show I've Got A Secret. [...] The host then asked about his current research, and the inventor replied, "In television, we're attempting first to make better utilization of the bandwidth, because we think we can eventually get in excess of 20
09:12 🔗 Coderjoe 00 lines instead of 525 ... and do it on an even narrower channel ... which will make for a much sharper picture. We believe in the picture-frame type of a picture, where the visual display will be just a screen. And we hope for a memory, so that the picture will be just as though it's pasted on there."
09:13 🔗 chronomex nice
09:14 🔗 Coderjoe hdtv and flat panel display and the like, thought of by Philo Farnsworth in 1957!
09:15 🔗 Coderjoe as being possible with less than the 6MHz bandwidth they were already using
09:15 🔗 chronomex while cool, it's hardly an un-obvious direction to take
09:15 🔗 chronomex :)
09:18 🔗 Coderjoe we're STILL not doing 2000 lines, vertical or horizontal, as far as television.
09:18 🔗 chronomex no
09:18 🔗 ersi needs moar dpi
09:18 🔗 chronomex ipad
09:18 🔗 Coderjoe and you could also say he had an idea there that was like an ereader or the like
15:27 🔗 Schbirid 'Rob Levine, discusses his hard-hitting book "Free Ride - How the Internet is Destroying the Culture Business ...and How the Culture Business can Fight Back".'
15:27 🔗 Schbirid culture business, if i just hear a term like that i would like to .......
15:33 🔗 shaqfu Schbirid: The real title is worse
15:34 🔗 shaqfu Replace "Internet" with "digital parasite"
15:34 🔗 ersi 30 lbs of culture for sale! Come and buy! All ripe in the Culture Mall
15:34 🔗 balrog__ "Culture Business" :o
15:34 🔗 Schbirid heh
15:34 🔗 balrog__ culture has only been a "business" as we know it today in recent years
15:35 🔗 balrog__ s/been/become
15:35 🔗 Schbirid actually that is sadly not true
15:35 🔗 balrog__ at the large scale that it is?
15:35 🔗 Schbirid a lot of the culture that was preserved and that we now consider our culture is commercial success from back then
15:35 🔗 Schbirid imo/afaik/etc
15:35 🔗 balrog__ yes, but in different ways
15:35 🔗 Schbirid of course nowadays the right holder industry is there
15:35 🔗 Schbirid yeah
15:35 🔗 ersi balrog__: You're trying to get to 'Industry', right?
15:35 🔗 balrog__ you can't pirate live performances
15:36 🔗 ersi How about streaming a live performance without them knowing? :)
15:36 🔗 balrog__ it's not the same
15:36 🔗 balrog__ there's an experience part to seeing a live performance
15:36 🔗 balrog__ that is missed in a stream or recording
15:37 🔗 ersi I dunno, I feel like I'm participating when I'm watching a live stream
15:37 🔗 balrog__ recordings preserve things though
15:37 🔗 ersi True
15:37 🔗 ersi Whatever that has to do with it
15:38 🔗 ersi But really, copyright and all this can go fudge itself. I'll down it sooner or later
15:38 🔗 balrog__ well, you don't want to lose culture, do you?
15:39 🔗 ersi Of course not, I'd like to preserve as much as possible - which is why I'm saying it just doesn't matter
15:41 🔗 shaqfu Pity that big content and preservation don't get along :(
15:41 🔗 balrog_ yes, I know :/
15:43 🔗 ersi Oh, they do - if you wave huge dollar bills in front of them
15:44 🔗 shaqfu ersi: "preservation" and "huge dollar bills" tend not to go together :P
15:44 🔗 ersi Just sayin'
15:47 🔗 shaqfu Hell, if Google can't buy themselves an access law, nobody can
15:49 🔗 ersi Sigh
15:50 🔗 shaqfu Well, off to do my scanning
17:14 🔗 SketchCow I JUST WANT A HUG
17:14 🔗 devesine dd if=/dev/hug of=/dev/sketchcow bs=1024
17:15 🔗 DFJustin have some shareware instead <BlueMax> http://archive.org/details/Over1000GamesForWindows
17:16 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, we're ROCKING that shareware.
17:16 🔗 SketchCow We are easily the largest collection on-line.
17:19 🔗 DFJustin (that one needs to be moved to the collection)
17:21 🔗 LordNlptp oh i have two of those shareware cds
17:21 🔗 LordNlptp i think one even has a virus or two hiding on it
17:21 🔗 DFJustin gibb0r
17:22 🔗 SketchCow Moved.
17:22 🔗 SketchCow I'm SURE they have a virus.
17:23 🔗 LordNlptp i can image them as iso easily enough but do you want some other format?
17:24 🔗 DFJustin iso is best (if it's mode 1) since that's what archive.org's browser supports
17:25 🔗 DFJustin also SketchCow I got my friend to email you a disk a while ago, "2000 shareware games", but it doesn't seem to have been uploaded anywhere, did that get lost
17:26 🔗 SketchCow Oh, I bet you are making an unintentional reference to.... the inbox
17:26 🔗 LordNlptp ok there are actually 3 cds
17:26 🔗 SketchCow The delicious, delicious inbox
17:27 🔗 LordNlptp two are the 1995 softkey "shareware 2000 hit games" collection, with cds SHW444AE-CD-1 and SHW444AE-CD-2 and the other is the International Software Values' Master Game Collection, (C)1996 P/N 7249
17:27 🔗 DFJustin well it was before your inbox 0 thing is why I ask
17:28 🔗 LordNlptp cd drive is occupied burning a dvd atm but i'll grab isos of all 3 in a jiffy
17:28 🔗 LordNlptp can i 7z them or is it better to zip them?
17:30 🔗 DFJustin if you wanna make archive.org items yourself they should be uncompressed
17:30 🔗 DFJustin for sending to us instead it doesn't matter
17:30 🔗 chronomex archiveteam has unzip at the ready
17:31 🔗 LordNlptp was gonna send em
17:31 🔗 LordNlptp k
17:46 🔗 LordNlptp ok isv disk imaged
18:11 🔗 LordNlptp infrarecorder produces two types of dumps, one with a larger file (a .bin?) and a .toc file, and one as an .iso
19:05 🔗 Coderjoe mm
19:05 🔗 Coderjoe bin/cue and iso
19:13 🔗 LordNlptp so which file do people want? the (maybe)bin and toc or the iso?
19:14 🔗 Coderjoe iso, i think
19:14 🔗 Coderjoe archive.org has an iso viewer
19:15 🔗 LordNlptp DFJustin: should i dcc this to you?
19:30 🔗 DFJustin if you like
19:34 🔗 LordNlptp the 2000 game shareware cds from softkey are in very bad shape
19:34 🔗 LordNlptp dunno if can get rips of either one
19:35 🔗 LordNlptp scratched to hell
19:35 🔗 Nemo_bis 2000 games or 2000 CDs? O_o
19:35 🔗 LordNlptp two cds
19:35 🔗 LordNlptp containing a total of 2000 games
19:36 🔗 Nemo_bis how old are they?
19:36 🔗 Nemo_bis with some very old CDs I tried IsoMaster first and then another crappy software, got only a bunch of errors; I just used dd in the end and thrown everything in a (quite readable) ISO
19:41 🔗 LordNlptp 1995ish
19:41 🔗 LordNlptp using ddrescue on linux box
19:42 🔗 LordNlptp DFJustin: argh this will take forever since dcc on xchat windows is busted
19:42 🔗 LordNlptp i'll upload to sendspace
19:42 🔗 DFJustin ok
19:42 🔗 DFJustin if it's not gonna finish before shabbat it can wait a day too
19:44 🔗 DFJustin if ddrescue can't do the job then probably nothing can, trying another drive can be effective though
19:45 🔗 LordNlptp gonna try additional disk cleaning too
19:45 🔗 LordNlptp disk 2 has 8 megabytes of error areas
19:46 🔗 LordNlptp out of 308mib total
19:46 🔗 Coderjoe that's about 4 hours, isn't it?
19:46 🔗 LordNlptp ya
19:46 🔗 LordNlptp 2 mins left for sendspace upload
19:46 🔗 DFJustin heh ok
19:46 🔗 LordNlptp at 200k/s instead of 9k/s
19:47 🔗 LordNlptp xchat dcc is totally borked
19:47 🔗 LordNlptp on windows
19:47 🔗 LordNlptp it works fine in linux
19:49 🔗 LordNlptp http://www.sendspace.com/file/adtfkt
19:49 🔗 LordNlptp i don't have pics of the cd or the case yet, and the manual thingy from the front of the case is missing (back of case however paper is intact)
19:54 🔗 Coderjoe i wonder if there is any interest in any of these: http://i.imgur.com/xgcLE.jpg
19:54 🔗 Coderjoe (side view: http://i.imgur.com/Ql1OO.jpg )
19:56 🔗 tev DVDisaster has some features for trying to get as much data off of damaged CDs/DVDs as possible as well
19:56 🔗 Coderjoe the AOL stack is discs from service providers. the one with the hardhat linux on top is all linux (mostly walnut creek slackware discs. no longer have the books or case inserts for them, though)
19:57 🔗 Coderjoe the stack with the WD disc on top is all hard drive manufacturer discs
19:57 🔗 Coderjoe offhand, I can't remember what all went into the leftmost stack
19:58 🔗 Coderjoe haha. that AOL cd's offer is 25 hours short of being online 24/7 for the 50 days of the offer
20:01 🔗 DFJustin poke sketchcow but he's already posted aol cds and walnut creek freebsd discs so I think he'd be interested
20:18 🔗 LordNlptp oh i also have the original chex quest cd
20:18 🔗 LordNlptp that's an important part of gaming history
20:21 🔗 shaqfu Isn't that just Doom with a different .wad?
20:21 🔗 LordNlptp down to 8300k bad
20:21 🔗 SketchCow What what
20:21 🔗 LordNlptp ultimate doom with a different wad and aol on cd as well
20:22 🔗 LordNlptp also has leftover levels of episode 2 and 3 left in the wad!
20:22 🔗 shaqfu Playing CQ in a sourceport is a surreal experience - after beating the game, you get dropped into a reskinned Doom level, where all the enemies are invisible (no sprites in the wad)
20:22 🔗 LordNlptp i think the 2000-game sharewae cds are holepess
20:22 🔗 LordNlptp hopeless
20:24 🔗 LordNlptp balrog gave me a bunch of click-of-death damaged zip disks and i managed to recover all data from a few
20:24 🔗 LordNlptp but i have not managed to ifnd an unwritten copy of the zip sw 4.2 or 4.21 mac tools disks with the marathon demo on them
20:24 🔗 LordNlptp thsoe are worth preserving if any still exist
20:31 🔗 sethish I do not think there is a nearly complete archive of UMS starcraft maps
20:39 🔗 shaqfu Weren't most of them distributed virally?
20:39 🔗 shaqfu (I hate the term, but it applies here)
20:41 🔗 sethish I am not sure the term does apply here, but for the sake of argument, yes. The maps were passed around by playing game servers.
20:42 🔗 LordNlptp ya
20:42 🔗 LordNlptp also none of nenolod's modified WC2 maps afaik survived in the wild
20:42 🔗 LordNlptp nenolod lost them all at some point
20:42 🔗 shaqfu sethish: Why wouldn't it apply?
20:42 🔗 LordNlptp i actually knew about his sc maps before i met him on irc
20:42 🔗 LordNlptp he hangs in freenode #zsnes
20:42 🔗 shaqfu People got copies by playing with people that already had them, and distributed by hosting games
20:42 🔗 LordNlptp ya
20:43 🔗 shaqfu At least, that's how I got maps; dunno if there was some big repo of them people used
20:44 🔗 LordNlptp there may have been big map archives for wc2 but afaik they're gone now
20:44 🔗 LordNlptp also massive info loss when the nwn forums went down after being hacked
20:44 🔗 shaqfu I remember downloading a lot of WC2 maps from GameSpy
20:45 🔗 shaqfu Er, FilePlanet
20:47 🔗 sethish shaqfu: there is a lot of debateabout what the term means, does it mean certain kinds of scalable growth? Does it mean propigatable? Does it mean the same thing as Jenkins' Spreadable media?
20:47 🔗 sethish http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/11/why-spreadable-doesnt-equal-viral-a-conversation-with-henry-jenkins/ Is the best resource I can find quickly.
20:48 🔗 sethish If you are interested in the semantics. But it is just that, semantics.
20:48 🔗 SmileyG all data is speadable.
20:48 🔗 SmileyG spread*
20:48 🔗 shaqfu Looks like a fun read; thanks
20:51 🔗 shaqfu sethish: I tend to dislike the term since most "viral" stuff is spread in traditional broadcast-audience manners, but if it's strictly done via carrier-recipient interaction, I'd say it qualifies
20:51 🔗 SmileyG virual, to spread like a virus...
20:51 🔗 SmileyG i.e. under its own steam without external forces.
20:53 🔗 sethish spreadable is usually what people mean when they say viral IMO
20:53 🔗 sethish They want something that has the characteristics that could make it viral.
20:53 🔗 SmileyG also I think alot of stuff on the net is famous, but NOT viral
20:53 🔗 sethish I would like to think of exploitables as being more viral than most things that are just famous.
20:54 🔗 sethish If there is a canonical URL for the media, probably spreadable.
20:54 🔗 shaqfu sethish: But even for those, they have central broadcast nodes
20:54 🔗 SmileyG explotiables?
20:54 🔗 sethish Unless it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
20:55 🔗 sethish exploitables are a class of meme. fsjal is a perfect example
20:55 🔗 sethish http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fsjal
20:55 🔗 shaqfu If you don't frequent 4chan/reddit/etc your odds of running into, say, Good Guy Greg are very low
20:56 🔗 shaqfu And if you do, it's probably one or two cascades away from the central hub
20:56 🔗 shaqfu Compare vs. the old Matrix maps of SC, which had very long cascades of 1-7 players at a time
20:57 🔗 shaqfu The odds for GGG go up markedly if it hits another broadcast node - if, say, Gawker uses him
20:57 🔗 shaqfu But again, you're never more than 1-2 steps away from broadcast
20:58 🔗 SmileyG see in that respect, OLD internet stuff is far more viral
20:58 🔗 SmileyG lolcats, fat chinese kid, singing fat guy....
20:58 🔗 shaqfu Yeah
20:58 🔗 SmileyG the sourdce generally started as 4chat
20:58 🔗 shaqfu Back before there was an infrastructure to carry it
20:58 🔗 SmileyG errr chan*
20:59 🔗 SmileyG and it'd spead slowly through forums from there..... maybe the fact it started in a place which most of the users of the net WOULDN'T visit is part of the reason it spread so well?
20:59 🔗 SmileyG Only the good stuff comes out?
20:59 🔗 shaqfu But even then, stuff like that tended to explode after sites like Ebaums got it
20:59 🔗 SmileyG and others kind of died without a real trace
20:59 🔗 SmileyG weebl and bob....
21:00 🔗 SmileyG (didn't they get brought by mtv or something?)
21:00 🔗 shaqfu Probably
21:02 🔗 sethish When 4chan was the only place to go for this stuff, and there was a LOT more volume, to be sticky, you had to be really funny or offensive
21:02 🔗 sethish It is diluted a bit now.
21:02 🔗 SmileyG yup
21:03 🔗 shaqfu http://messymatters.com/viral/
21:03 🔗 shaqfu Wish the full study is somewhere; it's great stuff
21:14 🔗 sethish Jeebus, encycloedia dramatica has such a messy history
21:19 🔗 balrog_ph SketchCow: If you're there, floppydiscs again
21:19 🔗 balrog_ph Sorry for pinging you so much
21:42 🔗 Coderjoe mmm. flash-driven websites are fun
21:42 🔗 Coderjoe when they fail, they fail HARD
21:42 🔗 kennethre readability's going up in flames
21:42 🔗 kennethre http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/03/30/readability
21:43 🔗 Coderjoe odd. I see the flash load, and then nothing. i disable my adblock, refresh, and it works.
21:44 🔗 Coderjoe heh
21:44 🔗 Coderjoe http://www.buffalowildwings.com/interface/bossButton.php
21:46 🔗 Coderjoe zip DISKS don't suffer the click of death. the click of death is the drive you would need in order to READ the disks
21:46 🔗 SmileyG but the drive damages the disks...
21:48 🔗 balrog_ph Coderjoe: Zip disks can, it's a slightly different kind
21:49 🔗 balrog_ph It's when the Z-tracks go
22:03 🔗 SketchCow The way to ping me into another channel IS TO USE MY NAME IN THE CHANNEL.
22:03 🔗 SketchCow Not to come here and go "Yooooo hoooooo, look in other channell!!!!!"
22:09 🔗 Nemo_bis Maybe he thinks this channel comes first in your irssi window or something
22:14 🔗 SketchCow He's wrong.
22:18 🔗 SketchCow I set up an upload before my trip down to NYC for the weekend.
22:18 🔗 SketchCow It told me the transfer has 14 days.
22:18 🔗 SketchCow That's epic-y
22:18 🔗 SketchCow Hopefully it will finish more than that soon.
23:04 🔗 LordNlptp Coderjoe: yah what happens is a click of death drive the head gets de-aligned and overwrites the z-track (a sort of servo track) that lives between the data tracks
23:04 🔗 LordNlptp rendering whatever sector expected said z-track to be present unreadable since it can't find the sector
23:04 🔗 LordNlptp normal zip drives CANNOT rewrite z-tracks

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