[00:03] But what about The Cloud!?!!1 ;) [00:04] Tyvek tape, huh? Interesting, had't thought of that. [00:05] I wonder what kind of density you could get in tyvek tape [00:06] very low [00:07] but it doesn't tear or fold [00:07] and it's just about completely waterproof [00:07] australian money is made of tyvek [00:08] Wyatt|Wor: as resilient as any floppy more or less [00:08] floppies are maybe 4x as thick as standard magtape [00:08] but the mag layer is about the same [00:09] yeah [00:09] balrog_: That's what I thought, but I have admittedly invested very little in floppy data recovery in the past... ever. [00:09] ahh [00:11] I guess you could probably store a few bytes per cm^2 on Tyvek... [00:11] I've had good luck with apple floppies [00:12] they are old but the density is really low too [00:13] density is low, 400/800k though, density isn't that low [00:13] Right, that's the upshot in this case. Come to think of it, are there any floppy drives that allow microstepping out of track? [00:14] the kodak/drivetec one. [00:14] which I badly need one of. [00:14] for Twiggy disks [00:14] Oh neat. [00:15] 192tpi [00:15] we think the ibm drives might be 192tpi but aren't so sure [00:23] https://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-targets-fileserve-mediafire-wupload-putlocker-and-depositfiles-120331/ [00:23] not this :< [00:29] getting really tired of their bullshit [00:34] Oh FFS, amen to that. [00:38] however will we share out android roms!?! [00:39] secretly... [00:40] nah, they're legit, the problem is nobody wants to pay for the bandwidth [00:47] ya, bandwidth is expensive if your stuff is popular [00:47] and 200megs at a pop [00:47] trust me on that one ;P [00:48] i can't imagine the throughput p2p does on our stuff [00:48] what stuff? [00:49] TV "evaluation"? [00:50] https://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-targets-fileserve-mediafire-wupload-putlocker-and-depositfiles-120331/ [00:50] Ooops [00:50] Accidental paste [01:01] https://imgur.com/P6uQp [01:01] wow [01:01] it's just getting worse and worse [01:01] * brayden sighs [01:04] I wonder if Paramount Pictures had permission to use all those logos on their poster thing. [01:52] argh! [01:52] someone beat me to my own project [01:52] http://hackaday.com/2012/03/31/floppy-autoloader-takes-the-pain-out-of-archiving-5000-amiga-disks/ [01:52] (though I have no amiga disks) [02:00] ah yeah that's the finished vrsion of that hacked up duplicator [02:00] i saw videos of the old version on youtube [02:00] it was the guts of a duplicator which was missing the hopper and case [02:01] i see he built a new one [02:03] Hmmmm! http://www.youtube.com/theyoutubecollection [02:03] If only [02:10] I have a complete autoloader, though, and have sniffed out the serial commands to control it [02:11] I just need to find my point-and-shoot and write up some software to cycle through stuff. [02:20] well youd' need to take pics of the disks in ordee [02:20] or rig something up to take a pic of a disk when it falls into the output hopper [02:27] Are there any projects running to get regularly (i.e. daily to weekly) backups of higher risk blogs and the like? The question struck me while reading TorrentFreak, could also apply to political campaign sites, etc. [02:27] "At five cents a megabyte, Mr. Slashdot is nobody's friend." [02:29] LordNlptp: I was planning on putting my point-and-shoot aimed down at the output hopper and control it from the computer [02:30] (quote was a reference to: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19991016 ) [03:32] SketchCow, DFJustin -- thanks for the info. I just want my first submission to be correct. [03:54] Hmm, only seven retries left on this. alard, if I touch STOP and kill seesaw-s3, what incantation would I use to upload the tarball that's stalled here? [04:07] Back [04:11] http://www.youtube.com/theyoutubecollection [04:12] I love today. [04:12] available in dvd, vhs, laserdisc, and betamax [04:13] Why does someone keep posting http://www.youtube.com/theyoutubecollection [04:13] It doesn't even work [04:14] what do you mean it doesn't work [04:14] I "placed" an order for several thousand laserdiscs. [04:14] The link doesn't open anything for me [04:14] Just a blank page [04:15] fix your stuff. [04:16] My stuff ain't broken. [04:16] What am I supposed to be seeing? [04:16] except you can't open a website [04:20] Wow, Postal service for 500k DVDs only $6210? Impressive. [04:20] agreed [04:20] media mail is an amazing thing [04:20] Actually, even for LD and Beta.... [04:21] Indeed [04:21] what am I supposed to be seeing? The page simply won't load. [04:21] BlueMax: Do you have JS disabled? [04:22] Nope [04:34] hah [04:34] I like how every time you reload that page, the number of discs goes up by around 200 [04:34] or so [04:34] or wait, it's random [04:35] Yeah, I was a little saddened about that. I was hoping it was based on the number of videos or something [04:35] yeah me too. [04:35] (Though at that point it would be millions of DVDs, I'm pretty sure) [04:35] god we're nerds. [04:35] And there's nothing wrong with that. [04:35] I'm disappointed in Google [04:35] I'm sure they could have done it [04:35] they were busy writing their morse code app and 8bit gmaps [04:36] I actually want 8-bit gmaps to be real [04:36] like, stick around [04:36] I think YT is a separate team from Maps and...morse code? [04:36] because I want to use it when http://chicag0.org/ happens [04:39] Wyatt|Wor: http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/introducing-gmail-tap.html [04:40] and they actually made it [04:40] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rgam.morsekeyboard [04:40] Excellent! [04:46] heh [04:46] I just realized the copyright on the Google Maps data is (c) 2012 Google, Square Enix [04:48] is the bad status line bug fixed? [04:48] i just puled the repo, and saw a bunch of new files and changes [05:00] huh, what the hell is this [05:00] http://g.co/maps/p4uvv [05:02] random encounter, I guess [05:04] http://is.gd/1OF1Ks Another one [05:20] damn [05:20] I was hoping there'd be a bunch of tanks and a dude at Tiananmen Square [05:20] or a bunch of chimneys at Auschwitz-Birkenau [05:21] or a rapist monster in Nanking. [05:26] Tokyo Tower and Eiffel Tower both work, on a lighter note. http://g.co/maps/dfgb5 [05:27] hah [05:27] http://g.co/maps/2tzr3 [05:28] it's even better when you zoom out [05:28] and back in [05:31] wow [05:32] we're not even halfway though memac [05:35] It's pretty gigantic. [05:35] man gruber's pissed [05:38] about Readability? [05:39] Are there times he's not pissed about something? [05:40] he'd be pretty pleased about zombie steve jobs, yes? [05:44] I suppose he would, at that. [05:48] Wait, I'm thinking of Jeff Atwood anyway. He is (to my knowledge) a different person. [05:51] Gruber is the one that really loves Apple products, not C#. [06:32] time to start the april fools 2012 archive? [06:38] why is there no monster destroying tokyo tower? [06:47] Coderjoe: Too early in the morning. It'll wake up later. [06:49] So I thought our homebrew weekly backup script/cron/hack ran three separate rsync procs because it was backing up three different filesystems.... [06:49] too early? it's 3:49pm in tokyo! [06:50] But looking at the full CMD...is there any possible benefit any of you know of to running three rsyncs with the same source and destination at the same time? [06:50] Coderjoe: Monsters dislike sunlight. Sensitive eyes. [07:16] Hmm, now that I look closer, they're PID parented in a chain. What's going on here, is it normal for rsync to do that? [07:34] Coderjoe: I was disappointed in that, too [07:34] like [07:35] yeah [07:35] maybe Google will add magical girls being transported from Tokyo Tower [08:22] Wyatt|Wor: yeah, it is normal for there to be several rsync processes/threads from a single invocation [08:23] a while back, tridge added background file checking on the side that gets the file list. [08:23] Coderjoe: Ah, I see. Something like one at each end for the checksumming and a helper? [08:23] so while it is transferring one file, it can be checking other files to determine what needs to be transferred still [08:24] i don't know how many or what each does, though [08:24] I would have to examine the source to find that, I think [08:24] Still I'm much less worried about this now. [08:24] So thanks for the confirmation. [08:34] So, anyone up for grabbin' some 1st of April pages? [08:35] I'll just link a few I've found: http://www.telecomramblings.com/2012/04/industry-leaders-moving-on-cloud-powered-low-latency-pizza-delivery/ http://googleblog.blogspot.se/2012/03/bringing-self-driving-cars-to-nascar.html (That has to be a joke) http://blog.freenode.net/2012/04/network-wide-policy-privacy-change/ [08:38] http://marseffect.net/ from Mojang [09:03] to archive april fools pages you can use WebCitation [09:03] they have a bookmarklet [09:16] I've never managed to use WebCitation [09:16] Since it's such a pain in the ass to fill in all the forms [09:16] it's for real librarians only [09:17] i said they have a bookmarklet [09:17] http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=April_Fools%27_Day [09:18] http://www.webcitation.org/bookmarklet [09:18] it is fast as hell to archive a webpage, only 1 click [09:19] one-click-hosting, the archivists MEGAUPLOAD. [09:19] HAHAHAHAHA. [09:24] paste here the links you want to archive [09:32] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/01/apple_patent/ [09:33] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/01/rim_will_pull_out_of_consumer_market/ [09:41] done [09:46] haha, no matter how I look at it, the cacti graphs for my vps (seesaw-s3) look super shady. [10:36] is it me, or are those articles not very funny? [10:43] Zod_: It's not just you. I loath 1st of April [11:20] ersi: I don't really like it either [11:22] I saw the apple one at the register and was taken in at the start, but things got increasingly more crazy, and then I realized it was after midnight. :-( [11:29] I find most of the "jokes" just boring [12:20] http://aprilfoolsdayontheweb.com/2012.html [13:18] i really wanted to save tech tv music wars special [13:18] http://www.unitethecows.com/movies-television/21942-techtv-music-wars.html [13:19] it looks like there is a copy out there [15:59] Gooood morning. [16:06] It's sad that archive.org has to shut down [16:06] But I guess they couldn't handle the legal pressure [16:06] Yeah [16:18] morning SketchCow [16:19] nitro2k01: hahahaha [16:19] that was great [16:19] it took me like 3 minutes to fiure that out [16:19] figure* [16:38] My DNA Lounge script, that much better. [16:39] Hey SketchCow, how goes? [16:41] It goes well. [16:41] Going out to get food soon. [16:42] Set up an FTP for someone to upload even more fun stuff [16:42] Cool :) [17:05] sounds good [17:05] we're leaving for the outer banks soon :D [17:06] (this being the same trip last year that brought me fame and riches for the google video stuff) [17:06] :D [17:11] Well, take it easy this time. [17:11] No need to IRC [17:11] Take a walk [17:24] Haha [17:25] Well, now I have a smartphone [17:25] so I can IRC and code FROM THE BEACH [17:25] \o/ [17:25] :D [17:25] hahahaha [17:33] in fact [17:33] I could probably get one of those waterproof boating bags [17:34] and IRC FROM THE OCEAN [17:37] A literal "excess flood" error [17:40] hahahaha [17:40] that's awesome [17:44] underscor: /join #jaws [17:44] beware the tsunamis! [17:45] taking a smartphone along can actually help... there was this danish guy recently who tried to cross over the red sea - and got stuck right in it. [17:47] * Cannot join #jaws :You have joined too many channels [17:47] :'( [17:47] SvenG: wow, that's cool [17:47] I mean, not cool [17:48] but you know what I mean [17:52] sure... "IRC rules the waves!" [17:56] hey SvenG :-) I haven't seen you since ccc past! [18:11] tef: err.. ugh... please remind me... cache full, it seems [18:51] has anyone made a nice archive of all the xkcd comics for today? [19:00] theres more than one? [19:06] does xkcd churn out so many a day now that you need an archive for ir? [19:06] or is this about an archive of all xkcd cartoons for april 1st in all years of existence? [19:07] hmm... "the berlin CHairlift".. 1948.. i remember it well! [19:08] worked much better than the wheelchAIRLIFT, though [19:08] SvenG: today's is geotargeted, amoung other things [19:09] um.. how? [19:09] http://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/rnpiw/mindboggling_xkcd_april_fools_comic/ [19:09] using haskell [19:09] comic writes itself [19:10] ahhhh [19:10] okay.. *now* inderstand the request for an archive! [19:10] ah i missed it hten ¬_¬ [19:11] hmm, I got http://imgs.xkcd.com/a1panels/a4a856e1f7316d4a3d94958aace6a6375f20e113a3c8a24cefe07c29a64a0f01.jpg [19:13] I got the snake one, which is cool as it varies depending on window size [19:13] oh yeah i got snake, very cool [19:14] hopefully randal will put up a post explaining them all [19:43] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9942743/UmweltChrome.jpg lol [19:48] http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/looflirpa/ee04/?pfm=AprilFools_homepage_Featured_2_ee04 [19:52] godane: have you been able to find that special, cause that torrent link is dead [20:06] 21:27 < balrog> SketchCow: FYI, most people here don't think that's gonna go anywhere [20:06] One other piece of business: [20:06] Just wanted to mention. [20:06] It went somewhere. [20:08] SketchCow: What was I talking about there against [20:08] again* [20:08] jsmess [20:08] iirc [20:08] SketchCow: zing! [20:08] hahaha [20:08] Yeah [20:08] Next time, don't make the mistake of telling me that something is something other people don't believe I can do. [20:08] Well it will help MESS on PNaCl too [20:09] Since both face the exact same set of problems [20:09] Jussssst saying. [20:09] Had to mention that, before I go in balls deep into this discferret project. [20:09] I tell SketchCow things aren't possible to encourage him [20:09] I didn't realize at the time that emscripten was a LLVM backers [20:09] JSMESS is happening. It's happening. [20:09] backend* [20:09] It increases his productivity 10000000% [20:09] Regardless. [20:09] If I did, I probably wouldn't have said that :) [20:09] if you tell him he can't do it [20:09] ;D [20:09] Your being uninformed doesn't make the mistake of the action any less. [20:10] It's a poor habit to tell people involved in a project you have no dog in that they're doomed. [20:10] Yeah I did realize it [20:10] I'm only telling you this before I go in with YOUR fun thing you believe in [20:10] Also JS performance has been improving faster than anyone has anticipated [20:10] SketchCow: I assume you just don't want to talk about the email I sent right now, not that you missed my skype messages about it? [20:10] Well, now I know how to get something utterly insane done: tell SketchCow it's impossible [20:11] I was wrong there, after re-evaluating things... Yes it's definitely possible [20:11] shaqfu: exactly :D [20:11] >it's not possible [20:11] it happens [20:11] >I was wrong, after re-evaluating things [20:11] :P [20:12] "This space elevator project is impossible!" [20:12] One month later, jselevator is built [20:12] Today it might be impossible [20:12] hahahahahaa [20:12] But some point in the near or not so near future... :p [20:12] go beyond the impossible and kick reason to the curb [20:12] shaqfu: that's fantastic [20:13] I'm involved in quite a bit of minecraft related stuff and some of the things I've seen happen, or that I helped kick off, most people were writing off as impossible [20:13] :D [20:13] DFJustin: Just who the hell do you think we are?! [20:15] WAS JUST SAYING [20:15] NOW WATER UNDER BRIDGE [20:15] SPANKING OVER [20:16] :p [20:17] * SvenG .oO(rule34?) [20:17] NO [20:17] :D [20:17] We need some archiveteam rule34 [20:17] Even better [20:17] NO [20:17] SketchCow rule34 [20:17] Internet Archive rule34 [20:17] rule34 is rule34. [20:17] jimbo wales rule34 [20:17] ewwwww [20:18] I heard Jimbo Wales. [20:20] underscor: I'm intrigued, are you using the IA machine to download wikis? [20:20] I remember you started a lot of jobs, but, no feedback since a long time. [20:21] I was, haven't been recently [20:21] been very busy :( [20:21] * Nemo_bis wants underscor's IA machine to run hundreds of dumps [20:21] I'd like to have some sort of web based interface to control that, actually [20:21] k k, no problem [20:21] add new API urls, scrape frequencies, etc [20:21] automated uploading and versioning, etc [20:22] underscor, would you like to file some bugs on how tools should be improved to make large scale tasks mora manageable? [20:22] I'd love to [20:22] once I actually get nitty-gritty with it [20:22] I haven't used it for a while :( [20:22] my main issues have been with APi and error handling [20:23] https://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/issues/detail?id=44 [20:24] and https://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/issues/detail?id=33 [20:24] underscor, and what do you mean with web interface? [20:26] what you said should IMHO be controlled by fetching API URLs from wikistats http://s23.org/wikistats/ | http://wikistats.wmflabs.org/ , storing them in some IA metadatada field together with last retrieve date, and then periodical rerun of the dump using metadata [20:27] I mean a web interface to monitor the things [20:27] instead of having tons of terminal windows open [20:27] also that allows people to submit new API urls that they find [20:28] and handles the scheduling of new jobs [20:28] etc [20:28] spiffy [20:28] should make one for urlteam too [20:28] integrate the tools with gearmand [20:29] So people can just have dumb machines that scrape until b&d [20:29] the API urls should be submitted to wikistats [20:29] it doesn't make sense to maintain multiple lists of wikis [20:29] IMHO [20:30] That's fine. [20:30] My thing wouldn't be to "maintain a list of wikis", just control kicking off crawlers [20:30] The bugs I linked are probably blockers anyway. [20:30] Yep. [20:31] Blockers because you must control the terminal if the script fails often and needs manual intervention, and because if you rely on index.php you need two URLs and you have even more errors of all sorts. [20:32] You don't need to control the terminal if the script fails often [20:33] Just monitor stdout and stderr and write handling logic on the control side [20:33] Whether it's just an email that says "this broke" or a db flag or something else [20:34] Restarting a job two times a day isn't fun. [20:35] And it's not trivial to identify all errors, I found many sorts just running a few dozens jobs. Not all of them kill the job or give some clear signal, sometimes they loop, etc. [20:36] Not to mention that each time you restart you consume an awful lot of CPU, and that the initial fetch of titles is CPU intensive too, without API. [20:39] Ah, and your interface should probably control something like this, not the current script: https://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/issues/detail?id=35 [20:43] That bug describes what I wanted my interface/backend to do exactly [20:43] :P [20:45] http://wurstball.de/70170/ errr... "shopped"? [20:47] this popped up on my 30 year delayed newsfeed. prescient! http://article.olduse.net/147@Ansc.UUCP [20:47] "Each week you will recieve approx. 360 million bytes of logarithmically [20:47] compressed PCM data (at 20khz sample rate) which will wholly reproduce [20:48] a complete LP." -- in 1982 [20:54] Yay, beachtime! [20:55] contemporary music, however, compresses a lot better... they fit well on a floppy [20:55] It's all the same bits [20:55] :D [21:01] zeros and ones.. yeah [21:02] I meant that they reuse the same ideas [21:02] bits as in pieces [21:02] not bits as in 10101010101010 [21:02] :) [21:07] sure.. when you break it up.. it's all bits and pieces [21:07] isnt everything? [22:03] http://www.youtube.com/theyoutubecollection seems to be made especally for SketchCow [22:05] "You have selected 547,521 discs" [22:05] "Alternate Formats: Betamax Tape" [22:05] <3 [22:05] ahhh, laserdisc [22:06] Gift Options: Gift wrapped$143,156 [22:06] Shipping and Handling: Freight Vessel$131,002 [22:06] * closure_ uncaps his card to $3 million and hits submit [22:06] 2045, delivery not bad [22:06] Wonder if they'll just drop a cargo container on your front lawn [22:07] * shaqfu tries to special order U-Matic tapes [22:07] I am disappointed they did not let me enter the IA's address [22:07] I assumed the freight vessel could get pretty close to IA [22:08] Crash a ship into San Francisco and aim it at IA [22:08] I like the jok [22:08] e [22:08] reminds me of http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Special-Delivery.aspx [22:38] https://supporters.eff.org/civicrm/mailing/view?reset=1&id=169 "In a nod to his eponymous law, security expert Bruce Schneier has reportedly developed an encryption technique that is so clever that even Bruce Schneier can't figure out how to break it." [22:57] wat [22:58] it's basically a criteria for any crypto algorithm that the author haven't found a break in it [23:02] sure... *all* my algorithms are like that ^^ [23:22] LordNlptp your iso is up at http://archive.org/details/cdrom-isv-master-game [23:38] SketchCow: Why JSMESS and not JavaMESS? [23:39] Ymgve: because JS != Java [23:40] balrog_: yeah, but I would think Java would be better suited for the task [23:40] I don't want to imagine that :| [23:40] and java in the browser is pain [23:40] JS is also a pain [23:40] java comes from oracle, who is not to be trusted [23:40] simple enough [23:41] JS runs natively in browsers [23:41] Well, they can't retroactively change their license, can they? [23:41] they can kill it [23:41] and worst case, someone could make their own bytecode interpreter [23:42] anyway, JS isn't just port and forget [23:42] I tried the MESS emulator on one PC under firefox, and it crashed firefox [23:42] I figured it was JS because he liked the double entrende :P [23:42] I tried it in Opera, and some graphic elements are missing [23:42] JS is more like fix everything for platform independent LLVM [23:42] where is the test version? :) [23:42] http://jsmess.textfiles.com/ [23:43] I also don't like MESS, but that's another debate [23:43] (due to its nature, it will never be as perfect as a single-system focused emulator) [23:44] well, I don't see a better design for the countless different systems. [23:44] different yet often very similar [23:44] or not at all [23:45] example: the VIC and SID chips of C64, which even the "proper" emulators can't do 100% yet [23:45] most of the time at least some stuff is common between platforms [23:45] several Commodore machines used SIDs [23:45] "which even the "proper" emulators can't do 100% yet" — for now :p [23:48] I kinda understand what SketchCow wants to do, but I think being afraid of obsoletion of modern platforms doesn't matter _that_ much when we have the source code [23:48] it shouldn't… especially with a common language like C [23:48] but what jsmess is doing is getting platform specific stuff out of MESS [23:48] since emscripten is an LLVM backend, and has to spit out platform independent code [23:49] Ymgve: That is adorably naive [23:49] Ymgve: That's the problem. We DON'T have the source code for a lot of games. [23:50] Wyatt|Wor: I'm more talking about the source code for MESS [23:50] Are we going to seriously have this debate? [23:50] Probably not, we have other things to discuss. [23:50] And no, emulation is no substitute for hardware. [23:50] SketchCow: btw, http://archive.org/details/software-double-r-pack - are those piracy-free? :) [23:50] Oh, wait, one thing: Java is fucked beyond all possibility [23:50] Ymgve: Duh [23:50] Dude, what's with you tonight? [23:51] Keep down this road, see where it leads. [23:51] Well, I don't care, you could put up a whole warez scene archive for all I care [23:52] SketchCow: anyway, Java might be fucked, but JS isn't that much better at the moment [23:52] SketchCow: what browser runs JSMESS properly? [23:53] I'd say it is because of cross browser JS support/implementations [23:53] while the Java plugin is utter shit [23:53] because FF 11.0 doesn't apparently, and neither does Opera [23:53] standalone Java isn't that bad, but at that point, why are we converting it in the first place [23:53] Ymgve: the only browser I've had any luck with is Chrome. [23:54] Hey, balrog, apparently you can punch your clock [23:54] zgrant: does input work? [23:54] as ymgve has taken over the nay-sayer shift [23:54] How about you drink a nice gatorade on the bench while the men play a few more rounds [23:54] And we'll see what happens when the game is over [23:54] even if JS is a waste, removing platform dependent stuff is not a wast. [23:54] waste* [23:54] and since emscripten is an LLVM backend, converting MESS to work with it involves two things: [23:55] 1. fixing bugs in MESS that break platform independence. [23:55] yeah, I agree with that, platform independence is great [23:55] 2. fixing bugs in emscripten [23:55] both of those are good things, imho :) [23:55] zgrant: is keyboard input supposed to work? [23:55] Anyway, seriously, let that project keep going. [23:55] I don't think anything other than the intro is supposed to work [23:55] I am in NO MOOD to debate it, I just saw the last episode of Buffy. [23:56] 7 years of buffy, motherfuckers, I have seen them [23:56] at the very LEAST, it will make MESS ready for PNaCl when google comes out with that [23:56] PNaCl? [23:56] SERIOUSLY [23:56] STOP [23:56] what's different from NaCl? [23:56] If you REALLY want, go to #jsmess [23:56] Kill it here [23:56] yes, it's enough I agree [23:56] ok, I'll zip it [23:57] also, the intro runs quite well on my machine with a beta of safari [23:57] :) [23:58] and now for something completely different: http://nyan.cat/ [23:58] I'd love to see some wiki updating [23:58] I got that thing on the new box, the new site, it sings, we should do some cleanup