[00:10] underscor: Take the Quadra definitely [00:10] And the Lisa and maybe the II and IIci [00:11] he can't. he's nowhere near denver. [00:18] hey, I have an IIsi with a rather broken install of A/UX for giveaway, you pay shipping [00:18] I'm not shipping the monitor [00:18] shipping + handling I suppose [00:18] it was like $30 or so to ship in the us, so $50 gets it delivered to you [00:21] Worth it still [00:21] Monitor? Meh [00:21] The machine is well worth it [00:22] are there any magazine you guys want me to grab from google books? [00:22] stuff that may disappear [00:26] chronomex: That's not in my area [00:26] I can email and ask if he will ship the 840 [00:27] balrog_-1: hrm? [00:27] The craigslist 840av [00:27] oh [00:27] An 840av is next to impossible to get [00:28] when I built this system, A/UX was about impossible to get :] [00:28] ;) [01:19] Silly idea - anyone here familiar with machine language processing? [01:21] I was thinking about if it's at the point where it can be used to describe these mondo-huge texty collections we have [01:24] Because my mental math says you're never getting people to do that [03:39] Just got an e-mail "Lifetime memberships now available at FileFactory - Go Unlimited, Go Forever!" [03:39] Or, go unlimited, go forever until the feds take us [03:43] yes [03:43] and go "unlimited" which is to say "we have limits but we don't tell you what they are upfront" [03:44] They're actually kind enough to mention that in the e-mail [03:44] Unlimited downloads, downlaod speed and storage [03:44] And later, 100 GB daily bandwidth [03:45] Unlimited download speed will of course probably meand 20-30 MBit/s or so [04:21] nitro2k01: At least its 100gb daily and not monthly [04:21] Of course. It's a file locker we're talking about, not an ISP :p [04:22] oh [04:22] i have heard in japan you can only upload like 30gb daily [04:22] Yup [04:22] but unlimited download [04:23] Here (Sweden) there are typically no limits, except for mobile connections [04:24] i archived most of the missing maximum pc magazines [04:25] i wish there was a more fuller collection [04:25] only goes back to october of 1998 [04:27] are there anyone with boot magazines? [04:54] http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-quietly-buys-netscape-browser-technology-09222093/ [05:33] Is Knol a current project? [06:21] so, C++ curiosity [06:21] today I learned this works: https://gist.github.com/368e874c705e1a5fd7d6#file_wtf.cpp [06:22] hrm, what's the curiosity? [06:23] obj->XMLParse(...) works with obj == NULL [06:23] a first pass of that code (by my eyes) looks like an immediate segfault [06:23] turns out that the deref just doesn't happen in the compiled code [06:23] ah, weird [06:23] I have no idea why [06:23] I don't know if that's some weird g++ optimization or actually in the C++ language standard [06:23] the method doesn't reference any member variables I guess [06:24] it doesn't, and it's non-virtual [06:24] make it virtual and it will segfault (you'll get a call rbx with rbx equal to 0x0) [06:24] still, though, why the fuck is that allowed :P [06:24] if I saw that in a code review I'd flag it with a "why are you doing this" [06:25] yipdw: Test it with clang ;) [06:26] Clang has quite decent C++ and even C++11 support nowadays if you use their C++ lib [06:26] the only version I have is the one that ships with XCode 4 [06:26] hopefully that's recent enough [06:26] That one should do C++ [06:26] For C++11 you need svn [06:26] It still doesn't support bsnes because of byuu's use of many gccisms [06:26] :/ [06:27] balrog_ph: it works [06:27] Huh [06:27] under clang++ 2.0 [06:27] I'm trying to read drafts of the C++ language standards [06:27] I might as well go shoot myself in the face [06:38] hm [06:38] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2474018/when-does-invoking-a-member-function-on-a-null-instance-result-in-undefined-beha [14:33] Hillary says "show me the money!!!" to Syria and Iran! ... check it out [14:33] Very funny video! [14:33] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRw8I8eyQ0M [14:43] Go and report that video for spam, mass advertisement [15:56] underscor: i got a euro bank account, can get a euserv box now probably [15:56] will look into it again a bit later and let you know, not sure if you are interested but could share something w/ a few people and sort $ out via paypal for the non EU'ers [16:46] SketchCow: I'm backing up maximum pc from google books [16:47] likes like none of the ads are in the maximum pc in there pdf archive [16:52] I'd hate to see google book's version of PC Shopper [16:52] it's be like 10 pages [16:53] luckly maximum pc is the other way with google books [16:54] like like 70 pages from there archive [16:54] but google books has 100+ pages with all the ads [17:54] http://www.freewebs.com/leviklausen/ [17:54] ahhh [17:58] excellent [18:10] codebear: any good news about those first 4 floss weekly podcast? [18:17] http://www.wearcam.org/computing.html/borgs_outside_medialab.jpg [18:19] When was that taken? [18:23] around 1990 I think [18:23] the guy on the left has a "i'm watching porn right now" look [18:24] Yeah, fashion and tech make me think mid 90's [18:25] Wonder if the fellow with the antenna is picking up CB on that thing [18:30] That is Steve Mann [18:31] I think that is walter bender 4th from the left [18:31] maybe [18:31] I remember the third guy from the left from the Alan Alda special for PBS [19:34] A LOT OLF UPLOADING [19:35] Upload ALL THE THINGS [19:41] So much goddamned mobileme [19:43] For example, there's currently 2.8tb being uploaded from the fortress right now. [19:43] The Batcave is basically empty of mobileme, however. I think. [19:43] A lot of it. [19:45] SketchCow: Did you figure out long-term storage for MobileMe? [19:47] upload MobileMe back into iCloud [19:48] Sorta like a fax-loop [19:48] haha [19:48] Rofl [19:48] Roll all of AT's collections into one giant .tar and keep pushing it one step forward on the storage track [19:49] I heard you like archives, so we archived your archives containing the archived archives [19:49] etc. [19:49] 90's-era webhosts -> web2.0 stuff -> cloud stuff -> ??? [19:49] It'll be like a Katamari of storage [19:50] Rollin' rollin' rollin' [19:51] One giant ball of stuff, ALWAYS GROWING [19:51] ???: -> some stuff where rights holders can delete things with a search query. [19:52] Probably :( [19:52] If you didn't catch it, we were making funnies [19:52] funsies is allowedsis [19:53] Archiving's srs bsn [19:53] well, on the other hand, at least ??? will be searchable [19:53] that's a step up from today [19:54] I'd prefer a world where every data storage request is routed via SketchCow's machine. Would make archiving much easier. [19:54] that'd be interesting actually [19:54] "bearded cloud" if you will [19:54] outfit all routers with an archive pipe [19:55] like tee [19:55] except on a vastly bigger scale [19:55] HEY WAIT [19:55] He'd be like one of those super secret NSA projects conspiracy theorists love [19:55] who said that the key to a Web 2.0 company was to take a UNIX tool and put it on the Web? [19:55] I think we just figured out how to do tee [19:56] Hah [19:58] At this point, archive.org can take MobileMe [19:58] Light or dark? [20:02] What, like coffee? [20:03] Like, will the disks be active or not [20:03] Weren't you discussing putting in in a dark archive? [20:05] lol [20:05] Yes [20:05] FOR THE MOMENT, "light" [20:05] Like we freggin' care. Push it in, it's someone elses problem :) [20:06] mmmm [20:06] just got 4 machines with 32gb ram and 10gigE links for mobileme [20:06] I guess I should have alard set me up with s3 [20:06] Yes, or I will literally kill you [20:06] SketchCow: <3 [20:06] CLOG ALL THE FOS [20:07] ==================================================== [20:07] SO, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO WRITE DESCRIPTIONS OF SOME [20:07] COMPUTER MAGAZINES IN THE ARCHIVE.ORG COLLECTION? [20:07] IT IS REALLY BORING BUT REALLY IMPORTANT [20:07] ==================================================== [20:07] how about [20:07] underscor: where the fuck do you get these resources [20:07] yes [20:07] maybe [20:07] underscor: Hi. [20:07] http://fridaynighttech.com/ [20:07] it's not that bad, play this while doing it [20:08] alard: can you pm me the gist with the s3 info? [20:08] I lost the link [20:08] Yes. [20:08] yipdw: what can I say, people love giving me way more access/machines/resources than I should have [20:08] just ask SketchCow [20:08] ;D [20:08] Although we should check your upload speed to s3 first, since batcave isn't *that* fast. [20:09] 1 ae0-200b.cr1.ord2.us.your.org (204.9.52.46) 1.522 ms 0.574 ms 0.587 ms [20:09] 2 chi-ibx.r1.ord1.isc.org (206.223.119.2) 3.159 ms 5.279 ms 3.261 ms [20:09] 3 int-0-0-1-8.r1.pao1.isc.org (149.20.65.157) 80.545 ms 60.629 ms 57.697 ms [20:09] kenobi# traceroute batcave.textfiles.com [20:09] traceroute to batcave.textfiles.com (207.241.236.249), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets [20:09] 4 int-0-0-1-0.r1.sql1.isc.org (149.20.65.10) 57.494 ms 55.312 ms 56.575 ms [20:10] 5 isc-ia.archive.org (149.20.56.165) 55.361 ms 60.015 ms 55.980 ms [20:10] 6 teamarchive-0.us.archive.org (207.241.236.249) 55.789 ms 55.715 ms 55.475 ms [20:10] nice route [20:10] all isc too [20:10] http://ia601205.us.archive.org/3/items/model-engineers-workshop-magazine-001/Model_Engineers_Workshop_Magazine_001.pdf [20:10] Enjoy while it's there [20:10] It's going to go away sooner rather than later [20:10] 48MB, JFYI [20:11] No spoilers [20:11] ooh possibility of something vaguely train related *downloads* [20:13] Yeah, it's going to go dark after render. [20:13] It's still being published. [20:13] I just had it on the drive and I'm shoving it into the set. [20:13] I've downloaded it ^_^ [20:13] http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2453137/004463122433/ [20:13] I'd just get it there [20:14] http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/editorial/page.asp?p=419 [20:14] Or buy access [20:18] oh, talking with the isc guys [20:18] they only have a 1gbps backhaul from chicago to san fran [20:18] i have some stuff for your dark rack [20:18] so I won't saturate the upstream to batcave [20:18] godane: EMAIL [20:18] but I can still pull down onto the 8tb of local storage [20:18] ok [20:20] your dark-rack-magazine section looked very thin for something called dark-rack-magazine [20:20] it only had 59 items when i was there [20:21] Perhaps the others were dark? [20:21] You would normally see the light bulb go off over his head [20:22] But I think that is dark too [20:25] hahahaha [20:25] SketchCow: are you aware of other guys archiving mags like you do, but for other languages? [20:26] huh. Ars Technica got flagged by Google [20:26] lol, it is indeed [20:26] damn ad-providers [20:26] yeah [20:27] haha [20:27] congratulations! you're the 1 millionth visitor. click here to claim your infection. [20:27] Well, OK, so. [20:27] :) [20:27] frame_at: There are loose individuals, but dunno of anyone to track down offhand [20:28] There are LOTS of people who are doing archiving of magazines, and lots of people scanning runs for a specific purpose. [20:28] Bombjack is the king in america, with commodore-related and atari-related items, for example [20:28] heavily involved with Atari Magazines, a site which has lots of stuff [20:28] Now, ALL I'm doing is taking a lot of these scans and putting them on archive.org, that's pretty much what I'm doing at this point [20:29] I haven't TOUCHED my own paper archives, which are significant and challenge smaller libraries and I'm NOT exaggerating. [20:29] In other countries, there are a number of sites and groups, also disparate, also doing this. [20:29] One of them, a French one, went absolutely apeshit when I put them on archive.org [20:29] So they're there but dark. [20:29] For now. [20:30] Scene drama? :( [20:30] Scene Drama is giving it too much credit or meaning. [20:30] They just don't want it showing up on an american archive [20:30] yeah there's loads, I think I sent you portuguese, czech, and hungarian ones a while back [20:30] All their negotiations are on the french side [20:30] They're not comfortable with them wholesale showing up [20:31] RIGHT NOW, I have no overriding priority to fight them [20:31] I added a thousand magazine issues. [20:31] THIS WEEK. [20:31] That's what I was kinda trying to figure out. If there's an international approach or a per country effort (e.g. with regional funds) [20:31] No slowdowns [20:31] tell them you're German, they'll surrender [20:31] lol [20:33] SketchCow: would you have to put techtv shows in the dark? [20:33] i only ask cause g4 still takes down thoses videos [20:33] No idea [20:33] ok [20:34] i will have upload to archive.org cause there is like maybe two or there items of the screen savers on there [20:34] looking at that old mag-scan kinda makes me sad that geocities ads didn't get archived as well. [20:36] Admittedly, they haven't changed much; just gone from "shoot Bill Clinton for a Playstation" to "shoot Joe Biden for an iPad" [20:38] would hope something like maximum pc wouldn't care if archive.org also has a copy of there magazines [20:38] there there older ones for free on there site [20:39] http://gawker.com/5899787/finding-goatse-the-mystery-man-behind-the-most-disturbing-internet-meme-in-history [20:39] gawker, quality journalism [20:40] I refused to be in that article. [20:40] thanks [20:40] Gawking sounds like something you'd do to balls [20:40] or something [20:40] SketchCow: i think you have some of his stuff [20:41] I don't get why you care if someone else cares about the content [20:42] what matters IMO is that there'll be copies. Copies that resides at the awesome IA org [20:45] i hate to admit, but that goatse article is actually quite nice [20:46] Who cares what cares. [20:46] Is that to me? [20:46] nah, to the world [20:48] 16:48 <@ersi> I don't get why you care if someone else cares about the content [20:49] I meant that [20:49] OH IRC [20:49] ohyes [20:50] HI INTERNET [20:53] I'm, like, "so, why is so much space being used on batcave, even after shoving off all of mobileme? ah, yes, SPLINDER" [20:53] fuck yeah! [21:02] SketchCow: would you be able to setup a twit podcast sub-section? [21:03] i like the same to be down with revision3 too [21:03] I can do anything [21:04] here is may podcasts that i have uploaded: [21:04] http://archive.org/details/abbys_road [21:04] http://archive.org/details/roz_rows_the_pacific [21:04] http://archive.org/details/this_week_in_fun [21:04] > x-archive-meta-title:Archive Team: The MP3.COM Skeleton Collection [21:05] I'd like to interview you for a PCWorld story this is scheduled to run this Friday. The story is about Archive Team. [21:05] Jason, [21:05] Let me know, [21:05] .....nice to wait until fucking tuesday [21:06] lovely [21:06] still, publicity woohoo [21:09] is it THAT hard to send things in e-mail, godane? [21:09] Everyone else in here does. [21:10] See, when you drop it here, you make it a CRITICAL ACTION ITEM [21:10] Also, only ONE PERSON CAN ACT ON IT, that person being me [21:10] Otherwise, it WILL scroll off and I will forget, so I have to drop everything, and do it [21:11] sorry [21:11] http://archive.org/details/this_week_in_fun [21:11] http://archive.org/details/twit-podcasts&recache=1 will eventually have them all [21:12] this will have to be the auido only version [21:12] since there is videos too [21:15] I just made the PCWorld guy switch from write me 5 questions and I write fucking essays to he calls me and I respond. [21:18] Well, seeing as he's the one asking for an interview I'd say he pretty much has to do things your way :P [21:18] Yes [21:18] I fucking hate essays [21:18] I told him straight out, he might never get them [21:18] I get students who write me fucking insane questions [21:19] Like "What can the world do to make their data safe? Are there known procedures you can link to? Where have people historically stored the data?" [21:19] And it'll be one of 10 questions. [21:19] Seriously. [21:19] I'd have to hire someone to write them [21:19] It's like [21:19] lmgtfy.com [21:19] 1. Will you do all my work? [21:19] a. Yes [21:19] b. Immediately [21:19] where have people historically stored the data? [21:19] IN CAVES [21:19] c. right away sir [21:24] d. how else can I help you [21:24] SketchCow: Wait, did you get the original questions? They might make a good start for wiki essays [21:26] I put one together; looking for another [21:26] SketchCow has the property of being a magnificient fucking beacon of light [21:27] People just swarm around [21:30] yes like a fly zapper lamp [21:41] We're chatting [21:41] Me and the fun [21:59] A week ago I came in here the first time and asked "how can I help". So far I've helped a bit at the mobile.me backup. I'd like to do more and would consider renting a dedicated machine with unlimited traffic to run a few more jobs. Is this something the archive team would help directly or should I invest the same money into somethin else? [22:01] My understanding is that several members have VPS's, Dedi's, or some other high-bandwidth presence from which to run the scripts. I sure can't pull the numbers they do from my connection at home :P [22:02] And from experience, "unlimited bandwidth" is hardly ever so. Especially when you actually start to use it. [22:03] Yeah, I'd of course check the fineprint. unlimited seems to be a relative term. [22:04] I've seen legitimate "unlimited" 10Mbps and 100Mbps links, but they were at 800$/mo and 1600$/mo respectively. [22:04] it tends to mean "we have limits and we know them when we see them" [22:04] Still, I wouldn't want to just donate. Suits can do that. IMO yet another dedicated machine might not do much, but it will give me something to do, also for different jobs. maybe regional ones. [22:04] http://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Amodel-engineers-workshop-magazine&sort=-publicdate [22:04] Enjoy it for an hour, before I dark it! [22:05] dark? [22:05] awesome. [22:05] is that a challenge? :P [22:05] balrog_: no web access, put in the freezer :) [22:05] uhh, why!? [22:07] balrog_: because there's stuff that they can't have publically available for copyright reasons, i.e. the copyright holders are still publishing/charging for the stuff [22:07] ;( [22:07] this needs to be archived elsewhere [22:07] it'll still be on archive.org's servers, just not publically visible [22:07] I know :( [22:08] Go torrent it, kid [22:08] ahh, this is on the torrent sites…? ok [22:08] SketchCow: OOH [22:08] OOOOH [22:08] is the Schickele Mix in archive.org darkened? [22:08] if not, it sure as hell should be [22:08] Not too difficult I suppose: [22:08] for i in {001..163}; do wget http://archive.org/download/model-engineers-workshop-magazine-001/Model_Engineers_Workshop_Magazine_$i.pdf ; done [22:08] http://www.schickele.com/mix/ [22:08] derp. [22:08] Wait [22:09] You mean "is it duped on archive.org in some way"? [22:09] yes [22:09] for i in {001..163}; do wget http://archive.org/download/model-engineers-workshop-magazine-$i/Model_Engineers_Workshop_Magazine_$i.pdf; done [22:09] Guess what you're downloading and preparing. [22:09] because it's only on a few torrents, that are not that well seeded [22:09] and could die anytime [22:09] I have it [22:09] Good, upload it [22:09] gonna have to find it on one of my archive hdds [22:09] Or, I should say, give me the files, I'll add them in. [22:09] and ul it [22:09] give me an ftp, and a few days to find it. [22:10] write me an e-mail requesting [22:10] http://i.imgur.com/IpIZs.jpg [22:11] Penn, you reasonable bastard [22:12] The main reason to pay for showtime [22:14] his latest podcast format never worked for me. [22:15] too fast, ads mixed in, either shaky or blurry static camera [22:46] i have thought of away archive.org could make money [22:46] sell hard drives with collections [22:48] Yeah, great idea [22:48] They could also start a file locker [22:48] with ads everywhere [22:49] Donations, Philanthropy, grants, foundations [22:49] download-button-roulette ; which one is the REAL one? [22:50] i was also thinking when dvd-like disks that have 5 TB+ of data [22:50] and are like the M-DISC i have heard about [22:51] if there tech works [22:51] 5TB discs and American ISPs will still only have .5Mbps uploads. [22:52] yep [22:52] you think that's bad, think about poor Australia [22:53] I see a business opportunity for internet connections that don't completely suck! But... how are you going to get access to the fiber? Oh wait... [22:55] aggro: speakeasy went down that road [22:58] Looks like they're now "MegaPath" and focused on selling to businesses. [23:00] 3TB mechanical hard drives > discs [23:00] it blows all the standard shit wars away, scratching and all that crap [23:34] just run transatlantic fiber [23:34] er [23:34] transpacific [23:34] It can't be THAT expensive, amirite? ;D [23:36] giganews is hiring a network engineer :o [23:36] that'd be a fun job