[01:16] the dark option should be reinstated, for rare stuff, or things you happen to have, but wont be clear for decades [01:17] err, i meant for IA [02:13] um, huh? [02:14] jeez, s3cmd updates the terminal often [02:15] underscor: no --quiet? [02:15] it's too quiet [02:15] --just-right [02:15] I want progress, but I don't want a terminal refresh on every byte sent [02:16] |pv| [02:16] 41084465152 of 60770181120 67% in 3067s 12.77 MB/s [02:16] that's a lot of repaints [02:23] underscor: Once you get the time/bandwidth, could you toss your Fileplanet stuff up? [02:24] (I'll be so glad to be done that project) [02:46] Hugs for all [02:48] How's JCDL? [02:48] Good stuff [02:48] Lots learned [02:58] Your talk's tomorrow? [02:58] * BlueMax jumps at SketchCow [02:59] Monday [02:59] Already done [03:00] Hunh; didn't see anything about it, but I was in radio silence all day [03:00] when can we see it [03:08] There's no video [03:09] underscor: yeah, that's one annoying thing about s3cmd [03:09] SketchCow: audio? [03:10] and s3funnel is completely silent [03:17] Audio not so good. [03:21] like tin can not so good, or minidisc concert recording not so good? [03:33] bsmith094: I got a lot of stuff for the dark archive [03:33] almost full year of x-play from 2011 [03:34] G4 E3 2012 [03:35] this stuff is less of problem then some stuff [03:36] i know part of may 31 attack of the show is already on archive.org [07:35] Domain sponsor erasing all content from previous owners of all domains they host from Archive.org. All 130,000 of them. [07:35] ? [07:48] what's that mean? [07:55] I know what it sounds like, but I don't know what it actually is. So I won't be commenting here, see -bs if you care what I think. [08:01] I'm not sure either, it was a passing remark from someone on freenode [08:06] SmileyG: except that you didn't comment in there either [08:06] okay, so you pasted random hearsay into the channel joepie91 [08:06] nice job [08:10] there's a reason a question mark was attached [08:16] chronomex: didn't know if anyone wanted me to :D [08:24] joepie91: If it isn't related to someone in here grabbing something or wonder how to grab something - post it in #archiveteam-bs instead of here. [08:24] joepie91: ie. most often, go #at-bs instead of here. [08:38] noo what happened to my memca upload :( [08:38] memac [08:40] it just stopped [08:41] Yeah, seems like the rsync machine said good night. Or some network issue. [08:41] Let it run and it'll resume when it's back :) [09:08] ersi, ok, thanks [09:08] ...although now it closed itself [09:09] You can always run "./upload-finished.sh " later to upload all finished material when it comes back [09:11] yeah i'll do that [09:11] it's up again btw, works me now :) [09:12] yeah just noticed. looks like i started from the beginning though :( [09:12] it* [09:23] Well, that outage was nice. I'm able to push content to fos quicker now :-P [10:12] my glorious 1MB upload is owned by some dude's 6,5 GB gallery :/ [10:18] Seems like people have re-established uploading to fos, my speed has sunk once again :P [10:18] Was almost using all of our 100mbit/s pipe [11:15] Someone want to add FOS outage until 5AM PST 6/13/12 to the topic? [11:32] what does FOS stand for? [11:50] loofygun: Fortress of Solitude [11:58] okay, thanks. what's it for (besides being superman's base)? :) [11:58] LOL. [12:02] fos.archive.org... as I understand it, it's the server that collaborative efforts (like anything involving the Warrior, see /topic) tend to upload to; the uploaded bits are eventually combined and placed on archive.org proper [12:02] Er, fos.textfiles.com [12:08] alright, thanks for the info [12:09] No problem [12:45] Yeah, there was another outage due to something, it affected some machines. [13:02] Well, here comes the MASS of spambots on archiveteam.org. [13:02] I have to find additional ways to kill them. [13:06] DNS blacklists? [13:06] Seems to work for my wikis. [13:08] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount [13:08] I may do this. [13:08] Hm [13:51] http://blog.readability.com/2012/06/announcement/ [13:51] "As of June 30, 2012, Readability will no longer accept reader fees." [14:04] hahaha [14:04] Really? [14:05] "We're delighted to announce we are no longer stealing televisions, and televisions we've accrued will be given to low-income senior citizen homes." [14:07] "We had a dream, a dream where televisions would be freed for new and amazing uses." [14:07] mistym, (Pounce message): I'm around now if you still have a question [14:07] mistym, (Pounce message): I'm around now if you still have a question [14:07] mistym, (Pounce message): I'm around now if you still have a question [14:07] mistym, (Pounce message): I'm around now if you still have a question [14:08] mistym, (Pounce message): I'm around now if you still have a question [14:08] Yeah, mistym will definitely see that [14:08] I can't I gave this toolbox $500 [14:08] What was I thinking [14:08] SketchCow: hahaha [14:08] OH YES THAT'S RIGHT H'S GOING TO CHANGE THE FACE OF DATA OWNERSHIP [14:08] I saw it all right :V [14:08] haha [14:09] pm him 12 times [14:09] SketchCow: it'll be interesting to see how it's received, twitter seems impressed so far [14:09] "Hi, can I help you?" [14:09] "Readability gets rid of payment model and gives away a bunch of money" [14:09] SketchCow: Even better, we already talked about it yesterday so I don't even have a question any more! [14:09] Twitter is impressed at their forethought in moving away from a television stealing model, especially as they all steal cable anyway [14:12] I got some people I really like really angry at me for being a party spoiler about the whole readability business model. [14:12] But that's OK, I got plenty of people I like. [14:13] I can lose a few over principles [14:13] Of course, if someone sues them, like they can most certainly do, they're all still going to jail. [14:15] I mean, make no mistake, I love people thinking forward: [14:15] http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/time-stoppin-tom.jpg [14:15] But a business model with phrases like "anticipating" and holding money from people you're stealing from, AS A BUSINESS MODEL, makes my skin crawl. [14:17] ANYWAY [14:17] Let's go back to planning multi-hoped devastating content acqusitions attacks against servers [14:19] Just hand-verified another terabyte of mobileme [14:19] Meebo. What do we think? [14:20] lol, it's never interesting to see what "twitter thinks" [14:21] Loving the new spam usernames on the wiki. JonaszlaqvnyavvyhtyyfixayarkheyptbxethfsPfalzgraf is a totally believable name. [14:21] SketchCow: yeah, the part that saddens me is how the true concern is dismissed by the company [14:21] COME AT ME BRO [14:21] mistym: JonaszlaqvnyavvyhtyfixayarkheyptbxethfsPfalzgraf was probably taken [14:22] Schbirid: Hah. [14:23] wow, that is one seriously broken xchat plugin [14:28] How's the gold, rims and bitches, closure [14:28] Whatever the cabin equivalents are [14:28] nice, they're deleting blog comments now [14:28] Are they [14:28] Keep saving them [14:28] hopefully it's in my cache [14:29] Make no mistake, I'd love to punch them publically, but there'd be absolutely no benefit. [14:30] Empty office in a year, mark my words [14:30] so glad i left :) [14:30] Peppered with 1 or even maybe two major shifts in "focus" [14:31] yeah, higher risk now for some people [14:31] since they got investors involved [14:31] Left what? Readability? [14:31] ersi: yeah I was developer number 2 [14:31] Oh, I see [14:32] I bet readability has a loot of python behind it then :) [14:32] yeah it's a monolithic django app [14:32] one of the worst codebases i've ever seen [14:32] i was shocked when i came aboard [14:32] synthetic-deadline-driven-development [14:34] hah, niiice [14:36] comments are back, must have been shitty caching [14:37] I hope people are talking to them in white hipster pigdin [14:37] "SO proud of you guys" [14:37] "totally support this" [14:38] "What a great, great thing. Congratulations on trying to create something good" [14:38] âWhat, giving unclaimed money to CHARITY!? So unethical! Such capitalism! The greed!â [14:38] http://blog.readability.com/2012/06/announcement/#comment-3369 [14:39] That's my take. [14:39] I concur [14:39] learning the most basic basic awk things were one of the best things i could ever do [14:40] Pardon me while I delete a terabyte of mobileme files uploaded to archive.org [14:41] "Keep up the great work. And brace yourselves for the continual shitstorm thatâs just started here." hahaha [14:41] what's a terabyte or two between friends [14:43] how do i check if someone gave them money for sites of mine? (if that is what this is about?) [14:43] Oh god, who knows [14:43] Some 27 B-6 I'm sure [14:44] There we go, another terabyte shoved into the exodus! [14:44] anyone here using an ovh box? [14:44] Dvorak: 2 [14:45] 21UTC is the next giveaway [14:45] might be nice since that is conflicting with football :) [14:45] do they offer unlimited/unmetered 10Gbit? (Does anywhere?) [14:45] no idea [14:46] i have 100mbit/s until some TB and then 10mbit/s [14:46] looks like 30TB/month or the gbit ones [14:46] f [14:49] arggh can't do with those limits, I'm on 10Gbit/dwn 1Gbit/up with 40TB limit (limited upload, unlimited down) and these limits are bad enough [14:50] nothing should be limited, when will that be a thing XD [15:06] https://twitter.com/richziade/status/212923220846854144 [15:06] they are considering it [15:26] Oh crap, I agreed with Joe Clark. [15:26] I hate Joe Clark so much and we're on the same side with Radibility [15:27] this guy? http://www.alistapart.com/authors/c/joeclark [15:31] Yeah [15:31] Dude, we hate each other so much, if you went in between that hate it'd be like getting your face in a microwave [15:31] our hate would literally burn your face off [15:31] hahaha [15:31] "Redwood City is back on the Internet. However, we are still sending much of our outbound Internet traffic from 300 Funston via Abovenet. Traffic between 300 Funston and Redwood City is also traveling over Abovenet, which currently means it's taking a round-trip to New York!" [15:32] http://andrewdupont.net/2009/03/21/tough-love/ [15:32] That's someone BLOGGING ABOUT HOW MUCH WE HATE EACH OTHER [15:37] Never heard of the guy until now. Subtitles man? He gets this worked up over his perceived subject mastery of subtitles and "accessibility?" accessibility is people like you who actually you know, get shit done, instead of waving your magic wand and telling the acolytes how they're casting all wrong [15:37] He's famous in some circles [15:37] But he's much less outgoing and does no presentations and is very, very bitter. [15:38] Sounds like a swell guy [15:40] If you make fun of him, he threatens to sue you [15:42] I'm sorry, you aren't qualified to provide interpretation of his legal threats, leave it to the professionals [15:43] you may think because your software allows you to type that you should, but my advice: don't. [15:44] it's not like everyone can just go around giving opinion or making art, like captions [15:45] Ircing on macs, don't try it at home! [15:47] Online since 1991, predating the Web - well a [15:47] Are you reading from Joe Clark? [15:47] I'd advise stopping. No need to dump it all here. [15:48] my own mental health was deteoriating just looking at it [15:50] Laptop dying. Bummer. Talk again soon. [15:50] (This Theater has no plug) [15:50] Anyway, I'd like members just hanging out here, to think about ways we can make things "better" [15:51] I'd like us to start thinking about "Memento", a program and standard I learned about here. [15:52] Which could eventually unify all the web archives like archiv.org and others so that you can search old versions of old pages as easily as you find current versions. [15:52] http://www.mementoweb.org/ [15:58] This is damned nice and neat [16:04] so in the event a server doesn't provide maintain archives, or provide a timegate header to a third party archive, will the plugin architecture support "repositories" per se, or looking into some kind of distributed/master index, where it will look for a "Rogue" archive? [16:05] additionally, what mechanisms will exist for scraping server-provided archives for long-term archiving, given that this seems dependent on the original provider maintaing their own archives? seems like whoever's research I recall seeing here about WARC-as-you-browse proxy would fit in nicely to fill the gaps by those sites chosing not to provide archive [16:08] Some kind of distributed network where you basically join in upon a browser launch, and your browser dedicates X GB to peer-to-peer archiving of those non-centrally provided archives (and optionally, even storing the ones that are provided by the server but may disappear. I browse to CNN on May 5th, CNN doesn't provide timegate headers or point me to any third party archive. Browser/plugin references it's list of "rogue" archives to look for a c [16:08] entrally stored one, or queries the p2p archive-net for anyone who's been there recently [16:09] and then requests from a fellow browser elsewhere [16:10] Plus I'm a little weary of 1984-style changing of history with this, how to know if the provided timegated archive truly represents the content at that time, or has been altered? Rewriting history seems like it would be an awful temptation to a lots of folks, given protocols/apps layered on top that would present it as the real-deal, the end-user non the wieer [16:11] possibly the need for some neutral-party verifying authority to store checksums of the timegates? [16:11] or baked into said p2p archivenet [16:14] It's December 10, 2020, My memento enabled browser requests Eurasia's policy meeting minutes from June 1st, 2015. Little do I know that Eurasia has "gone back in time" to alter the minutes to say something that wasn't really originally there. Browser should be able to ask "the network" or a trusted server, hey, you saw this original page back in 2015, want to vouch for it via checksum/crypto sig? [16:15] neutral-party.. sounds ambitious [16:15] Receiving either a yay/nay on if that page is both "legit", and actually complete as originally seen [16:16] nevermind my conspiracy theories, whether everything is there as originally seen for completions sakes [16:16] let's say "Trusted party" instead then [16:17] The CA's of Truthiness. [16:38] yo yo yo [16:39] if your that paranoid, get off the net :/ [16:41] I think they're valid concerns for the protocol/use cases. Can't trust every entity to be truthful in their archives. [16:42] If you're going to layer a browser on top of "time traveling", there needs to be a level of trust you're seeing a true snapshot in time. Not applicable to every website, but definitely some. [16:43] I trust IA now when I look in the Wayback Machine, but "no really, this is what our website looked like three months ago" doesn't inspire confidence when coming from those producing the content [16:50] Yes, nail it at Rob Sanderson and say Jason Scott sent you [16:53] Can I suggest a total random and likely useless thought on this? [16:53] it's only useless if you say it is [16:53] throw it out there [16:54] Bitcoin has a history function which shows ALL the activity of the network [16:54] not useless at all man, exactly what i was thinking, something along the line of bitcon-esque activity [16:54] Possible modifcation could be adopted for any site which needs an authendicated history, where every change is encoded in the stream. [16:54] means you can "unwind" the chain and see every change was and by who/what. If theres a break you know something is iffy. [16:55] i didn't want to be conspiracy theory guy + bitcoin guy, but hey, since you put it out there too :) [16:55] precisely [17:02] so are there any JCDL2012 talks for download yet [17:02] They don't record any talks. [17:02] (I know, right?) [17:03] oh the irony [17:03] This is weird http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=http:%2F%2Farchiveteam.org%2Findex.php%3Ftitle=Rescuing_Floppy_Disks&product=NIS&version=19.7.1.5&layout=Retail&lang=0901&source=toolbar [17:03] archiveteam.org has one computer threat [17:04] Back when we were still on dreamhost. [17:05] why would that make a difference? [17:05] Because dreamhost is riddled with hacking, and our site was hacked? [17:05] ah [17:18] kennethre: The comments are exploding. [17:18] Could you do me a favor and do a series of grabs of the pages in the comments, so that we can see what they censor or flip out or do? [17:19] Also, finally, I can delete Jeffrey Zeldman [17:25] SketchCow: will do [17:26] haha [17:26] I was searching for quoted text and came up with http://badcheese.com/~steve/atlogs/?chan=archiveteam&day=2012-06-07 [17:26] i think people have good reasons to defend them [17:26] didn't know the logs were online ^-^ [17:26] they just haven't thought it through very much [17:49] 2 Mobile me fails http://pastebin.com/uCurS97u [17:51] Or not? [17:54] If you keep getting errors such as ERROR (3) when running ./dld-client.sh, just forget about that nickname for now and rerun the script, someone would rerun them closer to the closing date. There should be more information about this given here, but there isn't any and this is the best way I know. [17:55] http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=MobileMe -- See, 1.2 [17:59] Zeldman is a toolbox [17:59] I sat in his SXSW presentation [17:59] We ended up walking out [17:59] It was information and context free [18:00] which preso was it? [18:00] SketchCow: are you "a random scott from the internet?" :P [18:03] Is this in those comments? [18:05] No. [18:05] (Had to go look) [18:05] You ever know me to write things anonymously like that? [18:36] i didn't think so, but worth asking since it was "Scott" :P [18:50] I think SketchCow shares my view that anything worth writing is worth taking credit for [19:02] kennethre: Gah, you have to retweet and make me see zeldman [19:02] Today on Zeldman's Show: Zeldman, a Board Member of a Criminal Enterprise, Interviews the CEO of the Criminal Enterprise about Why It's Not a Criminal Enterprise [19:04] SketchCow: hahaha [19:04] SketchCow: I want to hear the defense [19:04] imagine if they get ben brooks in the line at the same time [19:04] it'd be so epic [21:42] i got a code from ovh AGAIN and their idiotic site design led to me not being able to find the form to enter it AGAIN [21:42] XD [21:44] seriously, it was so lucky [21:45] then i tried to login with my existing account and just got told that i cannot have two but that i could pass the code to a friend [21:45] well, FUCKING HOW [21:45] will mail them tomorrow, they seem to use twitter only as sender and for frenchos [21:45] good night :) [22:37] how do i mark things as dark for IA [23:10] item manager -> make_dark [23:15] you can also mark it dark with the metadata headers when you upload a new item using the s3api interface [23:16] yes