[17:53] <Lord_Nigh> digital.com - sorry this site has been excluded from the wayback machine - huh?
[17:54] <Lord_Nigh> i know dec.com and digital.com were aliases of one another before september 2000 or so
[17:54] <Lord_Nigh> but why is digital.com blocked and dec.com not?
[17:54] <Lord_Nigh> (looking for http://www.digital.com/info/DTJK01/DTJK01SC.TXT )
[17:54] <balrog_> http://www.hp.com/robots.txt
[17:54] <balrog_> I don't see an explicit ia_archiver block there
[17:55] <Lord_Nigh> though it does list /info/ as blocked. hmm
[17:55] <Lord_Nigh> i'm looking for the old dec technical journal indices
[17:55] <Lord_Nigh> and yeah i think the dectalk source code is well and truly lost; martin minow might have had a copy before his death in december 2000 since he wrote much of it :(
[17:56] <Lord_Nigh> well, he was one of the people who ported over the C bsd4.1 mitalk code which became klatttalk before dec licensed it
[17:57] <Lord_Nigh> fonix has the dectalk 4.31 src from force computers inc but that might be the last copy of any derivative of mitalk
[17:57] <Lord_Nigh> i would be extremely surprised if MIT still has a copy of the mitalk source code
[17:58] <Lord_Nigh> and klatt's wife/kids MIGHT have a copy of the klatttalk src, but who knows
[17:58] <Lord_Nigh> since klatt died in 1988 of lung cancer
[17:59] <balrog_> looks like there USED to be a mirror of dec's ftp on http://computer-refuge.org/
[17:59] <Lord_Nigh> maybe SketchCow knows who to ask, i'm almost out of ideas
[17:59] <Lord_Nigh> the best i can do is ram the dtc-01 roms through ida or something and see if anything is understandable/recoverable that way
[18:01] <balrog_> you have this document? http://www.linux-mips.org/pub/linux/mips/people/macro/DEC/DTJ/DTJK01/DTJK01PF.PDF
[18:03] <balrog_> you could email the guy who's listed on the whois for computer-refuge.org
[18:03] <balrog_> since http://computer-refuge.org/classiccmp/ftp.digital.com-jun2004/pub/Digital/info
[18:05] <balrog_> meh, I'll email him
[18:05] <balrog_> ok?
[18:05] <balrog_> Lord_Nigh: ^
[18:07] <Lord_Nigh> ok
[18:08] <Lord_Nigh> got that pdf, better copy of the one i had before
[18:09] <Lord_Nigh> guess: DTxxxxSC = ASCII (get it? SC? ascii?)
[18:09] <Lord_Nigh> PF = pdf
[18:09] <balrog_> hmm, yeah
[18:09] <Lord_Nigh> and i'm guessing PS was postscript
[18:09] <balrog_> so it would be the same data?
[18:09] <Lord_Nigh> probably
[18:09] <balrog_> any reason you want the ascii?
[18:10] <balrog_> does it have something the PDF does not?
[18:10] <Lord_Nigh> no
[18:10] <balrog_> ok
[18:14] <Lord_Nigh> still the dec stuff needs to be archived properly...
[18:14] <Lord_Nigh> also someone mentioned the bell labs technical archives stuff still exists somewhere?
[18:14] <balrog_> yeah :/
[18:14] <balrog_> the technical journal?
[18:14] <balrog_> right here: http://www.alcatel-lucent.com/bstj/
[18:14] <Lord_Nigh> ok
[18:15] <Lord_Nigh> do they have the issues from the 1970s?
[18:15] <balrog_> they have all issues
[18:15] <Lord_Nigh> cool
[18:15] <balrog_> "from volume 1 issue 1 in July 1922 to the final issue published in December 1983"
[18:15] <Lord_Nigh> i wonder if they have the errata to the article mcilroy wrote in the 70s
[18:15] <Lord_Nigh> he scanned the errata and the article and put it on his page
[18:15] <balrog_> were the errata published in one of the issues?
[18:21] <Lord_Nigh> balrog_: probably in a later issue
[18:21] <balrog_> figured as much
[18:46] <godane> i got rtmpdump working with gbtv
[18:46] <godane> or the blaze tv its called now