#archiveteam 2013-03-27,Wed

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00:47 🔗 SketchCow I haven't gotten to it.
00:47 🔗 SketchCow Been busy
00:49 🔗 WiK evening gents
00:49 🔗 SketchCow Evening.
00:50 🔗 trs80 morning
00:50 🔗 chronomex ahoy
00:50 🔗 WiK 464479 github repos for those playing the home game
00:52 🔗 WiK just hit the 5TB mark
00:53 🔗 omf_ SketchCow, I have been building up a spam list to help the admins save time - http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Category:Deleteme
00:53 🔗 SketchCow Excellent. Thank you.
00:53 🔗 namespace github repos?
00:59 🔗 WiK namespace: yes, im downloading them all
01:01 🔗 omf_ SketchCow, Do you like the idea of creating a category for historical pages so we can lock them from editing so they do not get defaced?
01:02 🔗 SketchCow Yes, if it's done orderly.
01:21 🔗 omf_ We currently have 32 categories - http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Special:Categories
01:37 🔗 omf_ I found 3 pages that are all the same and only contain 1 line of text. Should I just redirect 2 of them to the third?
01:37 🔗 omf_ http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki_Guidance_for_unexperienced_users
01:39 🔗 chronomex omf_: sure, sounds good; what are these pages?
01:40 🔗 omf_ http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki_formatting_explained
01:40 🔗 omf_ and http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Media_Wiki_syntax_explained
01:41 🔗 omf_ I was thinking more of a 'How to use our Wiki' page
01:41 🔗 chronomex oh, heh, totally go for it
01:41 🔗 chronomex those are the same page
01:41 🔗 omf_ not according to the history all 3 were created by different users
01:41 🔗 chronomex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold this rule applies to archiveteam wiki too
01:41 🔗 chronomex same page as in they ought to be
01:41 🔗 omf_ got you
01:41 🔗 chronomex yea
01:43 🔗 omf_ I want to put a few lines down about using templates to setup project pages since I didn't do that for a few pages I made which I working on fixing now
01:45 🔗 omf_ Can we made this page http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Current_Projects embedded on the front page so the currently active projects list stays synced up?
01:45 🔗 chronomex that's a great idea
01:45 🔗 chronomex you mean like a transclude?
01:46 🔗 chronomex http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Transclusion
01:46 🔗 omf_ yes
01:46 🔗 omf_ Didn't know the term
01:46 🔗 chronomex does that help?
01:47 🔗 omf_ I cannot edit the front page
01:47 🔗 chronomex ok
01:48 🔗 chronomex neither can I, apparently
01:48 🔗 omf_ only admins as far as I know
01:48 🔗 chronomex rite
01:51 🔗 chronomex SketchCow: why does the cert on https://www.archiveteam.org/ belong to 'smoketest.in' ?
01:57 🔗 omf_ Okay I started the new page and I am putting in the redirects http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=How_to_use_our_wiki
02:06 🔗 SketchCow chronomex: I do not know
02:06 🔗 trs80 chronomex: because they share the same IP, and nobody's set up SNI
02:06 🔗 chronomex figures
02:06 🔗 chronomex ok
02:06 🔗 trs80 (or so I assume)
02:08 🔗 chronomex right
02:15 🔗 SketchCow http://i.imgur.com/Clg4x.png
02:15 🔗 SketchCow Usenet has consolidated to almost nothing
02:16 🔗 chronomex that's really sad
02:18 🔗 omf_ Fuck the New York AG who started that limiting usenet crap
02:19 🔗 omf_ We protecting the children
02:21 🔗 BlueMax You would think they'd have much more important shit to worry about
02:23 🔗 omf_ Anything to make your name more popular
02:24 🔗 trs80 those are servers with full feeds only? or are there no universities with servers these days?
02:25 🔗 chronomex looks like full feed only
02:29 🔗 omf_ Many universities in the US started cutting back after all the major ISPs cut their feeds
02:29 🔗 omf_ less peer points
02:30 🔗 chronomex sure, I know mine got out around 2008
02:30 🔗 omf_ 2008 was when the law stepped in
02:31 🔗 chronomex huh
02:44 🔗 ivan` anyone grab share.opml.org before it died? http://scripting.com/stories/2008/01/23/shareopmlorgRetired.html
03:26 🔗 omf_ alard, or GLaDOS around?
03:45 🔗 namespace Usenet is dead.
03:45 🔗 namespace Then again, it could use a modernization.
03:45 🔗 namespace Not NNTP.
03:46 🔗 namespace NNTP is just Usenet over IP as far as I know.
03:49 🔗 namespace The idea is good, it just needs a decent reboot.
03:57 🔗 BlueMaxim COMING THIS SUMMER, THE CLASSIC INFORMATION DISTRIBUTION SERVICE USENET RECIEVES AN U-U-U-U-UPGRADE!
03:59 🔗 chronomex maybe with some ads too
04:03 🔗 omf_ we have seen it. Things ranging from forum software, to stackoverflow to 4chan
04:03 🔗 omf_ forums focus on smaller niches like an individual newsgroup did
04:03 🔗 omf_ stackoverflow and the like has moderation
04:03 🔗 omf_ and 4chan provides anonymous everything
04:04 🔗 omf_ usenet was federated and none of my examples are. That is the major difference I see
05:30 🔗 InitHello huh. Somehow my warrior is suddenly processing 18 items at once.
05:37 🔗 Cameron_D refresh the page, that happens if the connection to the warrior breaks
06:04 🔗 loca_loca hi!!
07:40 🔗 SketchCow 23:49 < namespace> NNTP is just Usenet over IP as far as I know.
07:40 🔗 SketchCow Wrong
07:53 🔗 BlueMaxim lol
09:13 🔗 omf_ Does anyone have experience using image duplication finding software. I was thinking it might be useful for us to have a tool like that on hand
10:59 🔗 ats SketchCow: where's that Usenet diagram from? (it doesn't include individual.net or aioe.org or eternal-september.org -- is it only servers with binary groups or something?)
11:03 🔗 Auguste Does anybody know if there's plans to grab the Linux Game Tome? Its shutdown was announced a couple of days ago, but I haven't seen anything on the AT site.
11:04 🔗 Auguste The site is timing out for me at the moment, but the shutdown message on the Google cache says we've got until 13th April: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www.happypenguin.org%2Fnewsitem%3Fid%3D11236
11:04 🔗 GLaDOS They've posted a dump on the site, I believe.
11:05 🔗 GLaDOS So we're going to grab it, yeah.
11:05 🔗 Auguste The message says they plan to post it, but there's no date. I'm not aware of any dumps available yet, but I can't reach the site proper right now.
11:05 🔗 Auguste It'd be really nice if they do provide a dump. Makes things easy.
11:08 🔗 omf_ I am already grabbing happypenguin
11:09 🔗 Auguste So the dump is definitely online? Awesome.
11:09 🔗 omf_ nope
11:09 🔗 omf_ I got a cron job that will start a grab as soon as the site comes back up
11:09 🔗 Auguste Nice job. Don't wait for them. :)
11:09 🔗 omf_ I never wait for any dump
11:10 🔗 omf_ unless the dump is released with a closing statement I assume it will not show up
11:11 🔗 Auguste What wget options are you going to use to grab it?
11:26 🔗 omf_ whatever works
11:28 🔗 omf_ I looked at copies of the site in the way back machine. No crazy ass cross domain anything
11:28 🔗 omf_ All assets and pages come from one server
11:29 🔗 Auguste Too easy. Cross domain resources was going to be my next question.
11:30 🔗 omf_ this design is from the 1990s
11:30 🔗 omf_ There was no fucking around like there is now.
11:30 🔗 chronomex you don't remember server-side imagemaps?
11:31 🔗 omf_ I remember when CDNs were kept hidden from the user to provide a more seamless experience. Now fucking every site exposes every cdn it uses
11:31 🔗 omf_ wget can still grab those
11:31 🔗 chronomex yeah with 100,000 requests
11:31 🔗 chronomex one for every pixel
11:32 🔗 omf_ I would take that over the fact that most of the ispygame sites cannot be gotten with wget
11:32 🔗 omf_ I have pages of wgets I tried
11:32 🔗 chronomex ok
11:32 🔗 chronomex goodnight btw
11:32 🔗 omf_ later
11:37 🔗 omf_ GLaDOS, you around?
11:37 🔗 GLaDOS I am
11:38 🔗 omf_ What do you think of taking the current projects part on the main wiki page and just making it a transclusion to the current projects page. That way when the current projects page gets updated it would update just that section on the main page as well
11:39 🔗 omf_ You have been doing those updates recently
11:39 🔗 GLaDOS That would require the Current Projects page to be only editable by trusted people.
11:39 🔗 omf_ So
11:40 🔗 GLaDOS I suppose it's possible.
11:40 🔗 omf_ It is just a suggestion to remove having the same data in two places that can get out of sync
11:40 🔗 GLaDOS I'll look into it.
11:41 🔗 GLaDOS brb
12:26 🔗 namespace SketchCow: It's not enough at any rate.
12:41 🔗 ersi Hmmm, shrug if Feedburner goes down. A lot of links to a lot of posts will be crap
15:26 🔗 SketchCow What's up.
15:27 🔗 balrog_ yahoo messages still too slow for my liking
15:28 🔗 DFJustin I think alard split the big jobs though so all that's left is redundant?
15:29 🔗 balrog_ maybe
15:37 🔗 SketchCow Is THAT what I saw happen?
15:40 🔗 DFJustin ok re-reading scrollback there may be some large single threads left still
15:42 🔗 balrog_ yeah those are the ones I'm worried about
15:47 🔗 SketchCow Please, could someone WARC-WGET http://www.naoldcatholic.com ? Multiple leaders just resigned, including their main clergy, and financial problems are coming to light
15:49 🔗 omf_ I got a grab going now
15:50 🔗 omf_ that site is really slow though
15:50 🔗 ritonlajo slow for me too
15:51 🔗 SketchCow I am sure it is.
15:51 🔗 SketchCow It's a national church that just imploded!
15:57 🔗 ritonlajo ah..bad luck
16:00 🔗 DFJustin geez splitters much https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_Catholic_Churches#Other_churches_with_Old_Catholic_origins
16:26 🔗 SketchCow Standard Website Hosting - archiveteam.org (04/10/2013 - 04/09/2014)$239.40 USD
17:01 🔗 omf_ SketchCow, the grab for that catholic site just finished. 261 pages
17:01 🔗 SketchCow Thanks.
17:02 🔗 omf_ it took 45 minutes their servers are so slow
20:00 🔗 ZoeB Hi! So a much beloved homepage www.jhaible.de (idiosyncratic synth maker) is now down on account of the guy dying, with partial backups at http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.jhaible.de/ ... I believe I have a full backup, alas, not in warc, just individual files. Is it of use to anyone?
20:03 🔗 DFJustin sure, make a .zip and upload to an archive.org item
20:04 🔗 ZoeB Thanks
20:04 🔗 ZoeB Is .tar OK or is .zip really preferred?
20:04 🔗 DFJustin either is ok, .tar.gz etc are not supported by the archive browser on the site currently
20:05 🔗 ZoeB Thanks!
20:05 🔗 DFJustin put in the community texts collection for now and an admin can move it to archive team's area later
20:10 🔗 ZoeB Thanks!
20:11 🔗 ZoeB Uploading...
20:35 🔗 ZoeB 1/3 of the way there... it's a slow connection for uploads...
21:16 🔗 ZoeB Here you go: https://archive.org/details/Www.jhaible.de Thanks!
21:23 🔗 DFJustin no, thank you
21:24 🔗 soultcer DFJustin: Not sure if you want to thank him or if you are declining his offer
21:25 🔗 chronomex the former
21:25 🔗 soultcer English is tricky
21:26 🔗 chronomex that can be correct
22:01 🔗 ZoeB him?
22:01 🔗 ZoeB Yeah, English isn't the most logical language, I'm afraid.
22:13 🔗 ZoeB Right, I'm off. Tally ho!

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