#archiveteam 2013-05-07,Tue

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00:13 🔗 omf_ Anyone in here have experience supporting CJK? I am still missing some fonts in my screenshots
00:14 🔗 omf_ I am using sazanami-gothic-fonts sazanami-mincho-fonts but it is not providing enough character coverage
00:14 🔗 chronomex hmmm
00:14 🔗 chronomex you should install 'unifont' as a final backstop
00:15 🔗 omf_ no package for that on fedora
00:16 🔗 chronomex strange
00:16 🔗 chronomex well, keep looking, it's an attempt to have all the characters in at least a bitmap form
00:16 🔗 omf_ each time I pull new fonts in the rest got better
00:17 🔗 chronomex cool
00:23 🔗 omf_ cjkuni-ukai-fonts cjkuni-uming-fonts got me even further
01:08 🔗 DFJustin omf_: I do
01:08 🔗 DFJustin don't use unifont it's neat for what it is but it looks like ass compared to a real font and isn't updated
01:09 🔗 balrog is wqy-unibit-fonts in fedora?
01:09 🔗 balrog https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/wqy-unibit-fonts
01:10 🔗 omf_ yes balrog
01:10 🔗 balrog do you have it?
01:10 🔗 balrog that includes unifont
01:10 🔗 balrog plus updates
01:11 🔗 omf_ This is what I am using now and they good sazanami-gothic-fonts sazanami-mincho-fonts cjkuni-ukai-fonts cjkuni-uming-fonts wqy-zenhei-fonts
01:12 🔗 DFJustin as you probably noticed a font designed for japanese like sazanami will be missing a lot of chinese-only characters
01:13 🔗 omf_ yeah mutltiple fonts to cover the bases
01:14 🔗 DFJustin if you get a japanese font, a simplified chinese, and a traditional chinese that should cover 99% of real world text
01:15 🔗 DFJustin I don't recognize the chinese face names offhand to know what's simplified and what's traditional
01:15 🔗 DFJustin if you want the wacky extended stuff no one uses there's http://vietunicode.sourceforge.net/fonts/fonts_hannom.html
01:16 🔗 DFJustin extensions C and D exist now but even less than no one use them and I don't know of fonts offhand
01:16 🔗 omf_ I did it via trial and error
01:17 🔗 omf_ had pages that looked bad, searched around, installed a font, reloaded. If it looked better I moved on
01:17 🔗 omf_ Russia and Farsi were no trouble
01:17 🔗 DFJustin farsi is harder than you might think
01:18 🔗 DFJustin arab fonts do certain things wrong for farsi but it's an uphill battle and farsi readers are probably used to it by now
01:18 🔗 omf_ Considering the number of projects to have a full unicode font, it is frustrating
01:19 🔗 omf_ I mean projects to build a full unicode font
01:20 🔗 DFJustin yeah there's unifont which is nice but bitmap and not updated, code2000 which looks like shite, freesans/freeserif/etc. which last I checked had various bugs and were completely unhinted
01:21 🔗 DFJustin I think nowadays the thinking is to have good script-specific fonts rather than trying to cram everything into one huge font that does everything poorly and takes all your ram
01:21 🔗 omf_ It makes sense considering how big unicode is
01:21 🔗 DFJustin ttf can't have more than 65,536 characters so you can't even fit it all in one font anyway
01:21 🔗 omf_ There should be a list somewhere of a "Cover all your bases font list"
01:23 🔗 DFJustin there's http://unifont.org/fontguide/ but it's out of date and not really succinct enough for that purpose
01:24 🔗 omf_ I'll know by the end of this screenshot project
01:25 🔗 omf_ pages covered in blank squares are evil
01:25 🔗 DFJustin SIL has the best quality stuff for minority languages http://scripts.sil.org/FontDownloads
01:30 🔗 omf_ I was thinking about installing every font on there but i know that would be problematic
01:37 🔗 DFJustin yeah then you get stuff like fallback fonts and systems are not always good at assigning priority appropriately
01:38 🔗 chronomex right, when you install all the fonts everything that doesn't exactly specify what fonts it wants will look like crap
01:56 🔗 dashcloud so, this might be of interest to some folks: http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2013/04/adobe-blank-redux.html a font that has All Unicode code points are covered & All code points are rendered using a non-spacing and non-marking glyph.
02:00 🔗 balrog I've had it with all these "preservationists" who keep their dumping tools private
02:01 🔗 dashcloud any particular incident that set you off?
02:01 🔗 balrog see forums.bannister.org shoutbox
02:01 🔗 balrog hopefully it didn't scroll off by now
02:03 🔗 balrog probably did
02:03 🔗 balrog this software called TruRip for ripping CDs
02:03 🔗 balrog it's supposed to be the best but the group that made it absolutely refuses to release it
02:04 🔗 dashcloud that's fascinating the level groups are going to now to ensure things are legit
02:04 🔗 omf_ If they cannot produce results they are full of shit
02:04 🔗 balrog they produce rips
02:04 🔗 balrog but won't provide their tools
02:05 🔗 omf_ I mean produce the program so others can verify it
02:05 🔗 balrog this is sorta like SPS but SPS was forced to produce some stuff
02:05 🔗 dashcloud isn't SPS the group that does Kyroflux?
02:05 🔗 chronomex think so
02:05 🔗 balrog yeah... they at least have released something
02:06 🔗 balrog though they still want people to send disk images to them for processing with their unreleased analysis software
02:07 🔗 balrog well you can get it if you're an institution or business and have something like $3500/yr to spend
02:08 🔗 balrog which also is a condition of using the KF hardware for commercial or institutional uses ... but this has already gone far enough OT
02:17 🔗 omf_ Thanks for the orgy of font information. I feel more knowledgeable already
02:19 🔗 dashcloud if you're dumping floppies (in my case 3.5'' dos/windows-formatted ones), it's nice to be able to see what's on the images and get some basic info about them quicky- 7z can tell you about some images, and mtools is invaluable for working with DOS/Windows formatted floppies/images
02:48 🔗 dashcloud so, I got a note from TiVo telling me they are pulling the downloads for TiVo desktop by June 5, 2013- I grabbed a copy of the software (it's free) and you may want to as well: https://www3.tivo.com/store/accessories-software.do
03:12 🔗 DFJustin throw it on ia
03:17 🔗 sterdgsrt WHAT FORSOOTH, PRITHEE TELL ME THE SECRET WORD
03:17 🔗 sterdgsrt wait "we rescue your shit" hahahahhahahahaha
03:18 🔗 sterdgsrt This is why I never use IRC
03:18 🔗 sterdgsrt hellllooooooooooooooooo
03:18 🔗 chronomex sterdgsrt: yahoosucks
03:18 🔗 chronomex chill out, not everyone is watching all the time
03:18 🔗 sterdgsrt cool there's someone else alive
03:18 🔗 sterdgsrt k im chill
03:18 🔗 chronomex lots of people at the moment, I would venture
03:19 🔗 chronomex k
03:20 🔗 sterdgsrt el graciar chronomex
03:22 🔗 DFJustin life tip: irc does not work like yelling into a room, you may have to leave the window open in the background for a few hours to get an answer depending on the channel
03:27 🔗 chronomex correct
04:19 🔗 SketchCow Fire, fire everywhere
04:19 🔗 SketchCow That font discussion could have stood a transition to -bs
04:23 🔗 chronomex maybe, maybe not
04:23 🔗 chronomex it was at least marginally on topic
04:29 🔗 omf_ The posterous screenshots no longer have bad glyphs in them
04:32 🔗 godane now this may explain spark having problems
04:33 🔗 godane the one of the interviews was last modifed around 2013-04-18
04:33 🔗 godane this interview is from 2009
07:35 🔗 Nemo_bis alard: what's the simplest example of one of your crawlers to list URLs/IDs to grab?
07:36 🔗 Nemo_bis (searching for some strings on Google or other search engine)
10:05 🔗 jonas__ hello
11:09 🔗 Nemo_bis hi jonas__
14:15 🔗 DFJustin https://archive.org/details/hotu_dos_2006
15:05 🔗 Rugby DocCool.com, a forum for people cheating in relationships, has closed. Forums are still readable for the time being.
15:46 🔗 SketchCow GRAB IT
15:46 🔗 SketchCow JUST DON'T TELL THE WIFE
17:05 🔗 jonas__ what about kids.yahoo.com?
17:21 🔗 balrog http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_Optical_Media in case anyone is interested in helping out
17:50 🔗 andy0 I have several CD's in flac + cue that I could send somewhere ...
17:50 🔗 Smiley andy0: upload erm
17:50 🔗 Smiley em*
17:52 🔗 andy0 how? & where?
18:00 🔗 Smiley archive.org
18:00 🔗 Smiley hit upload button
18:38 🔗 underscor <balrog> omf_: I've heard that FurAffinity has had similar internal political issues for what, the past 2 years? Not that I have an account there, as I don't
18:38 🔗 underscor We should warriorize a backup of that
18:39 🔗 * Smiley wishes to learn how to do this process.
18:39 🔗 Smiley theres also that pouet site. which I'm grabbing a warc of... :/
18:41 🔗 balrog underscor: expect significant resistance
18:41 🔗 balrog some people wrote a FA -> Weasyl migrator, they broke it by mucking with html tags
18:42 🔗 underscor Oh, yes
18:42 🔗 underscor I am *very* intimately familiar with the drama there, along with all the shit with yak
18:42 🔗 underscor and
18:42 🔗 underscor ugh
18:42 🔗 underscor it all sucks
19:12 🔗 Smiley o_O
19:13 🔗 * Smiley continues to not understand that place
21:12 🔗 jdunck balrog cool, you mean help building that list, or actually ripping?
21:12 🔗 balrog building for now
21:12 🔗 balrog I'm working on ripping methods too
21:12 🔗 balrog are you interested?
21:18 🔗 jdunck I'm interested in the issue of digital archiving (obviously). i don't know much about optical media in particular.
21:18 🔗 mistym balrog: Hm, I could have sworn I had an AT wiki account. Anyway I'll try to find it when I get home and add something or two to the list after
21:18 🔗 balrog ok
21:18 🔗 jdunck i do know that all of this rogue-archivist stuff is skirting the law in lots of areas.
21:18 🔗 chronomex yeah well
21:19 🔗 jdunck (bit-for-bit copies are scary to the rightsholders)
21:19 🔗 balrog eh, it's been happening for years and years
21:19 🔗 jdunck libraries should be pushing for this stuff. most are clueless that this is the new library system.
21:19 🔗 mistym In my experience analogue archivists also tend to break the law on a regular basis but aren't always aware they're doing it.
21:19 🔗 chronomex "rightsholders" usually have no leg to stand on
21:20 🔗 chronomex especially custodians of PD works
21:20 🔗 jdunck well anyway, a thing i like about archiveteam is that they aren't asking.
21:20 🔗 jdunck it's the right thing to do, so do it.
21:20 🔗 jdunck they/we/you/us, not sure the right collective noun to use :P
21:29 🔗 ersi mistym: It might have been deleted after the spam clearout, by mistake
21:29 🔗 mistym Good point, maybe I should just reregister.
21:29 🔗 ersi Any wiki admins around and can check if mistym's account's still there?
21:29 🔗 Smiley hmmm
21:29 🔗 Smiley I had my rights removed after.
21:30 🔗 yan_ I get lost on the wiki every time
21:30 🔗 ersi Smiley: Then don't bother answering that one... obviously
21:30 🔗 yan_ looking up archived content, reading endangered content, ...
21:30 🔗 Smiley yeah I realised after I'd said hmm :P
21:30 🔗 ersi yan_: Anything specific that's confusing? Or do you mean some other kind of lost? :P
21:32 🔗 yan_ ersi: yes, the other kind :)
21:33 🔗 ersi Ah, lost in time then ;-)
23:26 🔗 Ymgve heh, nine inch nails uploaded the infamous "broken" video to vimeo, and almost immediately it is deleted
23:28 🔗 balrog Ymgve: "broken"?
23:29 🔗 balrog oh
23:29 🔗 Ymgve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_(1993_film)

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