[00:01] <BlueMax> THY SECRET WORD IS 'yahoosucks' M'LORD
[00:38] <tmesis> oh my, why does Yahoo suck now?
[00:38] <tmesis> other than poching David Pogue
[00:41] <phillipsj> second PRISM participant after MSN.
[00:54] <zenguy_pc> do you guys post to usenet as well?
[00:55] <andy0> URL team Tracker down (http://urlteam.terrywri.st/)
[00:55] <andy0> Who is the point of contact?
[00:57] <BlueMax> andy0, /join #urlteam
[00:58] <andy0> posted there already :)
[00:58] <phillipsj> ...but did not get an immediate response.
[01:10] <Lord_Nigh> slate had a blog post very critical of fullscreenmario; afaik its still up but i freshened my local copy of its git source tree
[01:10] <Lord_Nigh> https://github.com/Diogenesthecynic/FullScreenMario
[01:14] <odie5533> think full screen mario will get DMCAd?
[01:27] <odie5533> TotalBiscuit got DMCAd for posting a critical review
[01:27] <odie5533> YouTube is probably rife with wrongly DMCAd uploaders, but there's way too much stuff to possibly back it up without knowing what will go down
[01:40] <dashcloud> back up what you think is important, and if you don't know how, ask
[02:05] <Lord_Nigh> odie5533: totalbiscuit's video was restored eventually
[02:44] <odie5533> Lord_Nigh: in his followup, he mentioned how there are tons of other YouTubers that don't have the clout to restore their videos
[02:58] <Lord_Nigh> yep
[02:58] <Lord_Nigh> the idiocy that sega did to push their new shining force game by DMCAing all the videos rated higher than theirs
[02:59] <Lord_Nigh> they actually killed off 2 or 3 channels that way by triple-dmca'ing people's lets play series' and stuff
[02:59] <Lord_Nigh> never restored afaik
[02:59] <Lord_Nigh> i'm still not sure why sega was never punished for that
[03:22] <odie5533> Lord_Nigh: because the people they push around have no ability to stop them
[03:28] <DFJustin> there have been cases where third parties use youtube's takedown system to take stuff down they don't have any connection to http://savemiku.wikia.com/
[03:29] <DFJustin> so if youtube can't even stop that, pushing back against a big company is going to be low on the list
[03:43] <Emcy> youtube actually has private agreements with certain entities to pull videos
[03:43] <Emcy> which bypasses what little safeguards there are in DMCA
[03:43] <Emcy> like the record labels for one
[03:44] <odie5533> they aren't legally required to keep any video up. But if they keep policing videos, they should lose their safe harbor status
[03:44] <odie5533> frankly I don't think they should qualify at all for safe harbor since they are making strong efforts to moderate their content
[03:47] <odie5533> http://www.ericgoldman.org/Articles/websiteliabilityalert.htm under "Do Not Actively Monitor the Website"
[07:37] * ivan` just notices the new? wayback feature to add a page to wayback instantly (the /record/ link)
[08:00] <godane> can anyone know load this for me: http://web.archive.org/web/20070626122847/http://zdpub.vo.llnwd.net/o2/dltv/episode006/dl.tv.006.mp4
[08:00] <odie5533> ivan`: have a link?
[08:03] <godane> its stopping at 48kb
[08:03] <godane> i checked the file and from what i can tell it is a mp4 header
[08:04] <godane> even file command will say its a mp4 file
[08:05] <odie5533> stops for me too
[08:05] <godane> :-(
[08:06] <godane> it was the only hope for there being a video copy of that episode
[08:09] <ivan`> odie5533: put any URL into wayback that isn't already archived and you'll see it
[08:09] <ivan`> big yellow box on the resulting page
[08:10] <odie5533> I dont have any unscanned urls! :<
[08:11] <odie5533> found one!
[08:11] <odie5533> neat
[08:13] <odie5533> wow, it works for any url
[09:53] <n00b684> hi guys. newcomer to the archiveteam world
[09:53] <n00b684> quick question on the current set of projects
[09:53] <n00b684> is there anything active at the moment?
[09:55] <ivan`> no big tracker-based grabs at this time that I know of
[09:56] <ivan`> archivebot development and grabbing is always going on
[09:56] <n00b684> so just a good idea to keep the warriors running?
[09:56] <ivan`> I guess, something will be active soon enough
[09:57] <n00b684> thansk
[09:57] <n00b684> thanks
[10:31] <ivan`> twitter's exclusion from wayback makes me sad
[10:44] <Nemo_bis> ivan`: uh, why was it excluded
[10:46] <ivan`> I don't know
[10:52] <Nemo_bis> Finally uploading first batch of 500 GB to https://archive.org/details/ftp-ftp.hp.com_pub-2013-10 (tar.xz and tar.lrz)
[18:32] <Nemo_bis> weird, the he.net link is not overloaded today https://monitor.archive.org/weathermap/weathermap.html
[18:32] <Nemo_bis> I'm downloading and uploading very happily
[18:40] <Nemo_bis> is someone with some RAM/fast disk wants to do some tar -cf $i.tar $i ; lrzip -lU $i.tar , there is quite a storage saving opportunity https://archive.org/details/ftp-ftp.hp.com_ftp1 (  automatic.zip IZIP I14.3 GB -> automatic.tar.lrz I2.8 GB )
[18:40] <Nemo_bis> (you need as much memory as the file is big, or to first tar and then compress using -U )
[19:11] <deathy> that sounds interesting. Ok to try on catia.zip/graham.zip ? (not that much ram.. )
[19:17] <Nemo_bis> deathy: sure :)
[19:41] <deathy> odd.. "invalid option -- 'U'", wonder if I have an old version of it..
[19:43] <deathy> sizes: 5.9G    ./catia.zip; 6.1G    ./catia.tar; 3.9G    ./catia.tar.lrz
[19:47] <Nemo_bis> I have lrzip version 0.614
[19:48] <deathy> yeah, old one here, 0.44. Still very nice savings
[19:55] <deathy> Nemo_bis: so.. where/how do I put this now? ..
[20:12] <odie5533_> Is alard here ever?
[20:16] <Nemo_bis> deathy: a test item on archive.org?
[20:19] <deathy> yeah, haven't actually uploaded anything yet to archive.org, any preferred way? ( shell if possible.. )
[20:22] <Nemo_bis> deathy: http://www.archive.org/help/abouts3.txt
[20:23] <Nemo_bis> otherwise I can put them in the original item if you publish them somewhere on the internet :)
[20:31] <deathy> so I can do a curl S3-like upload with random test item folder name and give you the link?
[20:40] <Nemo_bis> deathy: yes
[20:49] <deathy> Nemo_bis: curl upload seems to have finished, sent to http://s3.us.archive.org/deathy-s3-test-13/catia.tar.lrz
[21:02] <Nemo_bis> deathy: dowloaded
[21:03] <Nemo_bis> ouch, on my test I got Failed to malloc ckbuf in hash_search Cannot allocate memory Fatal error - exiting
[21:04] <deathy> when you tried compressing or?
[21:14] <deathy> done also graham.zip, sizes: 5.1G    ./graham.zip; 5.1G    ./graham.tar; 4.0G    ./graham.tar.lrz
[21:16] <ersi> Hmmm, I wonder how people find us/this place. Especially "now" (It's been a lot of newcomers in the last week IMO)
[21:17] <Nemo_bis> https://code.google.com/p/httparchive/issues/detail?id=332
[21:18] <DFJustin> isohunt generated a lot of interest I think
[21:19] <Nemo_bis> deathy: yes, when compressing; graham is a 404 for me
[21:19] <touya> yet failed :(
[21:19] <ersi> DFJustin: Oh yeah
[21:19] <Nemo_bis> touya: or because of, rather
[21:19] <touya> there just wasn't enough time
[21:21] <touya> did anyone read the thing one of the tpb founders said? that tpb needs to die so that better things can evolve
[21:21] <touya> yet, torrent resources continue to die while tpb is the only public source still sailing strong
[21:21] <ersi> Yes, I did. But that's a discussion for #archiveteam-bs IMO.
[21:21] <touya> sorry, k
[21:22] <ersi> np, just sayin'. (Want to keep this channel on-topic about archiving/saving things)
[21:23] <touya> well, to be more on topic then: obviously the most severe threat is against content that is protected by copyright shit
[21:23] <touya> especially riaa/mpaa
[21:25] <ersi> nope.
[21:25] <touya> not?
[21:25] <touya> what then?
[21:27] <deathy> Nemo_bis: just finished uploading graham few seconds ago, should be at http://s3.us.archive.org/deathy-s3-test-13/graham.tar.lrz
[21:30] <DFJustin> touya: user-generated content that doesn't have millions of physical copies printed
[21:36] <touya> DFJustin: usually it's only threatened if popular
[21:37] <DFJustin> if you look at the wiki though there have been a lot of cases like geocities where unpopular content gets unceremoniously yanked because no one feels like maintaining the site anymore after a corporate acquisition etc.
[21:38] <ersi> touya: Most of our archival projects have been sites shutting down, because someone said "Fuck it, let's kick the bucket" in one way or another. Almost none of those have been because of IP/Copyright/whatnot
[21:38] <touya> ersi: yes, i am aware of that (geocities like)
[21:39] <touya> but this environment changes, too
[21:39] <DFJustin> if riaa yanks a metallica youtube there are still tons of cds and dvds in circulation so it's not lost to history, the same is not true of some guy's machinima on yahoo video or whatever
[21:39] <ersi> See, this turned into a #archiveteam-bs discussion right away
[21:39] <DFJustin> :)
[21:39] <ersi> Because we're not talking doing archivation. We're talking about silly stuff.
[21:40] <touya> nono.. i don't want to talk about "let's save this copyrighted song/video/whatever"
[21:40] <joepie91> I believe -bs includes auxiliary non-practical discussion on the topic of archiving?
[21:40] <ersi> This discussion, should not be in here.
[21:40] <ersi> joepie91: Yes.
[21:40] <joepie91> not just non-archiving topics
[21:40] <touya> hai joepie91. maybe you can help
[21:40] <ersi> touya: Join #archiveteam-bs
[21:40] <touya> like the stuff par-anoia had. no claim on that whatsoever
[21:40] <ersi> We are all there
[21:40] <touya> it's 100% legal
[21:41] <touya> yet... if someone is interested in taking it down by legal means, it can probably be done
[21:41] <joepie91> touya: should probably move discussion to -bs, and I should also note that I have very limited time right now
[21:41] <joepie91> and am technically under work time
[21:41] <touya> k