[06:32] Can someone help me? [06:33] Someone is helping me, thanks [06:36] can't even imagine... [07:08] http://zeppelin.xrtc.net/corp.xrtc.net/shilling.corp.xrtc.net/warriors.html [07:08] Once people figured out Hyves was important, oh man [07:17] yeahhhhh [09:14] this probably needs looking at: http://boingboing.net/2013/11/21/germany-threatens-to-jail-carl.html [11:53] Met Malamud my past visit in California. [11:53] All his stuff is hosted at internet archive. [11:53] Hey, joepie91 - you got your info packet! [11:54] I'm sorry they only allow one day of attendance [11:54] oh right, I should still read that [11:54] noticed the e-mail, but been too busy all day [11:54] to actually read it yet [11:54] :P [11:54] It basically says "come to the hall on tuesday, talk is X, it consists of Y, we will film you" [11:54] And blog you [12:03] pretty much [12:30] JSMESS is now updated on jsmess.textfiles.com and has working sound. [17:10] http://forums.winamp.com/ 2.7 million posts, is this on the radar of you guys yet? (it probably is) [17:15] Muad-Dib_: yep [17:15] It's being grabbed, yes. [17:15] itÂ´s pretty big, and old [17:15] by whom, is it going to be a warrior project? [17:17] archivebot grabbed it, not sure if it's complete yet [17:18] #archivebot [17:19] archivebot grabbed some of it but we had to stop because it's too big, godane is breaking it down [17:35] ok [17:35] i need help finding some software [17:35] software must be older than 1997 [17:35] and must allow one to sign into a server of somekind, download libraries and run them locally [17:37] This isn't #computerhelp [17:38] That said - depends what you mean by 'libraries' [17:38] (I'm guessing you're trying to find prior art to rebut a patent?) [17:40] yep antomatic [17:41] ersi that's why i'm here, i don't need tech support, i need 30 year old software [17:41] I think Sketchcow has assisted with things like this in the past [17:41] i was thinking the atari 2600 qualified with that modem service that turned into AOL [17:41] yeah again, that's why i am here [17:41] sketchcow is great, but i know he's busy so i'm bothering his minions [17:42] There have certainly existed online libraries of downloadable software - which would then be run locally. [17:42] Services such as Prestel and Micronet and the 'Telesoftware' service, perhaps. [17:44] Ditto Compunet (C64) and similar [17:44] yeah but this is talkingh about libraries as in collections of code [17:44] the development "libraries" [17:44] so i was thinking Smalltalk, because it was dynamic, could download stuff like that and run it without changing the program [17:45] CPAN? [17:45] hmmmm [17:45] oooooooo [17:45] hmmmm [17:45] but did cpan exist prior to 1997? [17:46] wikipedia says "CPAN was conceived in 1993, and the first web-accessible mirror was launched in January 1997." [17:46] hmmmm [17:46] that's cutting it close [17:46] but great idea [17:47] wikipdiea's source shows a "private showing" of CPAN existed in 1995 [17:47] http://history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html [17:49] for patent-busting purposes it has to be published to the public, not just exist [17:49] is there an archive of the packrats list somewhere? [17:50] hmmm [17:52] CPAN does nto count [17:52] you donwloaded it to your machine [17:52] it was not a server-admined thing [17:52] didn't CPAN download packets from remote? [17:52] packages rather [17:52] nope [17:52] not according to one of its architects [17:52] I'm trying to find http://gopher.metronet.com:70/R22792-29241-1m/perlinfo/packrats/mailing-list/93 [17:53] blah, on wayback but machine down [17:53] thanks balrog [17:54] hmm not quite old enough http://web.archive.org/web/19971017151020/http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/zip-picker.html [17:57] hmmm [17:57] SysV AT&T unix had a packaging system [17:57] SysV [17:58] GOT IT [17:58] SD Hpux [17:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Distributor [17:59] VonGuard: Would the regular linux distributions count? There's libraries shipped in packages. [17:59] linux distribution repositories* [17:59] Ah, cool [18:00] yeah but they're too late [18:00] must be prior to 1997 [18:00] so debian doesn't county [18:00] aw [18:00] i know right? [18:00] i was all ready to call Ian [18:00] you know deb and Ian are divorced? [18:00] yeah :( [18:01] apt-get remove ring [18:02] I'm looking at http://web.archive.org/web/19961226234325/http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/rhl/manual/ but the stuff about rpm and glint doesn't say anything about connecting to the internet, just local packages [18:03] SD sounds like a winner though [18:03] netbsd pkgsrc is from 1997... [18:04] oh wait [18:04] freebsd ports maybe? [18:04] too late [18:04] must be before 1997 [18:04] yeah ti doesnt even have to use the internet [18:04] just a LAN [18:05] which means SD works [18:05] freebsd ports is supposed to be from 1995 [18:05] hmmm really? [18:05] pkgsrc? [18:05] no [18:05] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD_ports# [18:06] fuck yeah [18:06] nice find, we can actualyl demonstrate that [18:06] the HP-UX wouldnt be easy to setup [18:06] I have an hp-ux machine [18:06] actually three of them [18:06] a pizza box and two logic analyzers [18:06] lol [18:06] you wanna install a 20 year old OS and setup a LAN between two with one cting as a package server? [18:06] running that old version of HP-UX though? fun [18:07] yeah like HP-UX isnt hard enough [18:07] haha [18:07] let's see when they added network [18:08] hmm, sup repositories... [18:08] it seems ports was designed to work with sup? [18:08] hmmmm [18:09] does the same executable have to handle downloading? [18:13] ooooooooo [18:13] VonGuard: r500 has support for fetching [18:13] http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/Mk/bsd.port.mk?view=markup&pathrev=501 [18:13] r501 rather [18:13] r500? [18:13] I'm digging over svn [18:14] also, actual date is July 1997, so first half of 1997 works [18:14] see lines 420 [18:14] and on [18:15] I think there's a 1 year grace period for patent stuff so 1995-6 would be better [18:15] the 1 year grace period is only for disclosures by the patentee right? [18:16] yeah [18:16] anyway this is source code from 1994 [18:16] yeah [18:16] yeah this is great stuff [18:16] thanks guys [18:16] np :) [18:22] well, i think the bsd stuff is clear [18:22] scratch one patent, boys [18:22] good work [18:22] i like borrowing SketchCow's army [18:22] now, we need to build a TOSEC for MagicCap and General Magic [18:23] anyway this is source code from 1994 <-- Weird to think someone was writing that code while I was getting splorted out [18:24] underscor: *shudder* [18:24] hahaha [18:25] damn kids [18:25] Younger than Jurassic Park, how is that even legal [18:27] VonGuard: as another possibility, Squeak existed in 1996 [18:30] VonGuard: why does the USPTO allow such patents to even stand? they should fall under "obvious to an expert in the field" [18:30] yeha i was thinking of smalltalk yipdw [18:30] did squeak have a package or content management system? [18:31] i know it's dynamic so shit can just run [18:31] balrog, because the USPTO employs no software developers [18:31] only crackpots who think they're the next Einstein [18:31] cranking away on Fermat's last on lunch breaks [18:31] VonGuard: ooh, not sure if one existed in it < 1997 [18:31] approving everything they dont understand [18:31] yeah i dont think squeak had all that in 97 [18:31] but i'll check [18:32] lemme email dan or alan [18:32] balrog: because we in the US like to fuck ourselves for short-term gains [18:32] Americans, you see [18:32] turnip: hahahaha [18:32] I'm not legal, yet! [18:33] Well, I mean, age of majority, but you're not really fully legal until like 25 [18:33] Renting a car is the last hurdle [18:33] this chat really should be in -bs.. [18:33] (21 for gambling/alcohol, 25 for vehicle rental) [18:33] I can't do that yet [18:33] balrog: aye, sorry [18:33] woop woop woop off-topic siren [18:33] haha [18:34] yipdw, that's the long and short of it!~ [18:34] pun intended [19:29] hey guys, you probably already know (i saw it added to the dying page) but winamp's dying [19:29] all those plugins and skins D: [19:31] yuuuup [19:33] as far as usability goes... on the other hand, this means certain plugin developers can release a "final" version of this and that plugin so i don't have to use an older version of winamp for everything i use to be compatible [19:33] but no i don't have any idea how to do this archiving thing and am a total scumbag :( [19:34] n00b872: yeah, we're downloading a bunch of Winamp stuff [19:34] forums.winamp.com is being handled by godane [19:34] ArchiveBot got (most of) the rest [19:35] whoo, you guys are the best, thanks [19:35] just the other week i was reading about a super obscure plugin that was removed from the winamp repository for some reason... someone uploaded it elsewhere [19:36] oh right re: usability: xmplay is still updated, right? guess plugin devs could just move to that [19:36] lol there are already multiple threads on the xmplay forums about it [19:36] but yes thank you guys you are gods [19:37] nah, we're just a bunch of jerks led by the big jerk who now works at Internet Archive [19:39] shutup you jerk [19:39] mwahah [20:00] 281 names contributing to hyves, that's a lot [20:16] careful saving winamp plugins and skins [20:16] some have virii [20:16] seen it a couple times [20:16] old virii but still [23:40] http://blog.turntable.fm/post/67777306411/turntable-live-turntable-fm, dont think there is anything public to archive. they are providing csv export for playlists and i dont think that feature is going to dissapear but no idea for sure [23:40] Turntable.fm to shut down its social DJ service in favor of live concert efforts [23:45] S[h]O[r]T: archive bot is going after the blog [23:46] awesome