| Time |
Nickname |
Message |
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06:32
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SketchCow |
Can someone help me? |
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06:33
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SketchCow |
Someone is helping me, thanks |
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06:36
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BlueMax |
can't even imagine... |
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07:08
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SketchCow |
http://zeppelin.xrtc.net/corp.xrtc.net/shilling.corp.xrtc.net/warriors.html |
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07:08
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SketchCow |
Once people figured out Hyves was important, oh man |
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07:17
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xmc |
yeahhhhh |
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09:14
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joepie91 |
this probably needs looking at: http://boingboing.net/2013/11/21/germany-threatens-to-jail-carl.html |
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11:53
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SketchCow |
Met Malamud my past visit in California. |
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11:53
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SketchCow |
All his stuff is hosted at internet archive. |
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11:53
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SketchCow |
Hey, joepie91 - you got your info packet! |
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11:54
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SketchCow |
I'm sorry they only allow one day of attendance |
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11:54
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joepie91 |
oh right, I should still read that |
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11:54
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joepie91 |
noticed the e-mail, but been too busy all day |
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11:54
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joepie91 |
to actually read it yet |
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11:54
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joepie91 |
:P |
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11:54
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SketchCow |
It basically says "come to the hall on tuesday, talk is X, it consists of Y, we will film you" |
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11:54
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SketchCow |
And blog you |
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12:03
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joepie91 |
pretty much |
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12:30
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SketchCow |
JSMESS is now updated on jsmess.textfiles.com and has working sound. |
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17:10
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Muad-Dib_ |
http://forums.winamp.com/ 2.7 million posts, is this on the radar of you guys yet? (it probably is) |
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17:15
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balrog |
Muad-Dib_: yep |
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17:15
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ersi |
It's being grabbed, yes. |
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17:15
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Muad-Dib_ |
it´s pretty big, and old |
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17:15
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Muad-Dib_ |
by whom, is it going to be a warrior project? |
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17:17
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BiggieJon |
archivebot grabbed it, not sure if it's complete yet |
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17:18
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BiggieJon |
#archivebot |
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17:19
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DFJustin |
archivebot grabbed some of it but we had to stop because it's too big, godane is breaking it down |
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17:35
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VonGuard |
ok |
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17:35
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VonGuard |
i need help finding some software |
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17:35
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VonGuard |
software must be older than 1997 |
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17:35
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VonGuard |
and must allow one to sign into a server of somekind, download libraries and run them locally |
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17:37
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ersi |
This isn't #computerhelp |
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17:38
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antomatic |
That said - depends what you mean by 'libraries' |
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17:38
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antomatic |
(I'm guessing you're trying to find prior art to rebut a patent?) |
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17:40
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VonGuard |
yep antomatic |
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17:41
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VonGuard |
ersi that's why i'm here, i don't need tech support, i need 30 year old software |
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17:41
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antomatic |
I think Sketchcow has assisted with things like this in the past |
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17:41
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VonGuard |
i was thinking the atari 2600 qualified with that modem service that turned into AOL |
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17:41
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VonGuard |
yeah again, that's why i am here |
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17:41
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VonGuard |
sketchcow is great, but i know he's busy so i'm bothering his minions |
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17:42
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antomatic |
There have certainly existed online libraries of downloadable software - which would then be run locally. |
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17:42
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antomatic |
Services such as Prestel and Micronet and the 'Telesoftware' service, perhaps. |
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17:44
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antomatic |
Ditto Compunet (C64) and similar |
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17:44
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VonGuard |
yeah but this is talkingh about libraries as in collections of code |
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17:44
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VonGuard |
the development "libraries" |
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17:44
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VonGuard |
so i was thinking Smalltalk, because it was dynamic, could download stuff like that and run it without changing the program |
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17:45
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davemenni |
CPAN? |
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17:45
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VonGuard |
hmmmm |
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17:45
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VonGuard |
oooooooo |
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17:45
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VonGuard |
hmmmm |
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17:45
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VonGuard |
but did cpan exist prior to 1997? |
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17:46
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davemenni |
wikipedia says "CPAN was conceived in 1993, and the first web-accessible mirror was launched in January 1997." |
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17:46
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VonGuard |
hmmmm |
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17:46
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VonGuard |
that's cutting it close |
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17:46
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VonGuard |
but great idea |
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17:47
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davemenni |
wikipdiea's source shows a "private showing" of CPAN existed in 1995 |
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17:47
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davemenni |
http://history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html |
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17:49
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DFJustin |
for patent-busting purposes it has to be published to the public, not just exist |
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17:49
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balrog |
is there an archive of the packrats list somewhere? |
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17:50
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VonGuard |
hmmm |
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17:52
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VonGuard |
CPAN does nto count |
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17:52
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VonGuard |
you donwloaded it to your machine |
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17:52
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VonGuard |
it was not a server-admined thing |
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17:52
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balrog |
didn't CPAN download packets from remote? |
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17:52
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balrog |
packages rather |
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17:52
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VonGuard |
nope |
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17:52
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VonGuard |
not according to one of its architects |
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17:52
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balrog |
I'm trying to find http://gopher.metronet.com:70/R22792-29241-1m/perlinfo/packrats/mailing-list/93 |
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17:53
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balrog |
blah, on wayback but machine down |
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17:53
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VonGuard |
thanks balrog |
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17:54
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DFJustin |
hmm not quite old enough http://web.archive.org/web/19971017151020/http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/zip-picker.html |
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17:57
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VonGuard |
hmmm |
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17:57
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VonGuard |
SysV AT&T unix had a packaging system |
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17:57
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VonGuard |
SysV |
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17:58
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VonGuard |
GOT IT |
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17:58
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VonGuard |
SD Hpux |
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17:59
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VonGuard |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Distributor |
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17:59
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ersi |
VonGuard: Would the regular linux distributions count? There's libraries shipped in packages. |
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17:59
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ersi |
linux distribution repositories* |
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17:59
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ersi |
Ah, cool |
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18:00
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VonGuard |
yeah but they're too late |
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18:00
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VonGuard |
must be prior to 1997 |
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18:00
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VonGuard |
so debian doesn't county |
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18:00
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ersi |
aw |
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18:00
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VonGuard |
i know right? |
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18:00
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VonGuard |
i was all ready to call Ian |
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18:00
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VonGuard |
you know deb and Ian are divorced? |
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18:00
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ersi |
yeah :( |
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18:01
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VonGuard |
apt-get remove ring |
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18:02
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DFJustin |
I'm looking at http://web.archive.org/web/19961226234325/http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/rhl/manual/ but the stuff about rpm and glint doesn't say anything about connecting to the internet, just local packages |
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18:03
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DFJustin |
SD sounds like a winner though |
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18:03
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balrog |
netbsd pkgsrc is from 1997... |
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18:04
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balrog |
oh wait |
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18:04
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balrog |
freebsd ports maybe? |
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18:04
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VonGuard |
too late |
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18:04
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VonGuard |
must be before 1997 |
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18:04
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VonGuard |
yeah ti doesnt even have to use the internet |
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18:04
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VonGuard |
just a LAN |
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18:05
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VonGuard |
which means SD works |
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18:05
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balrog |
freebsd ports is supposed to be from 1995 |
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18:05
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VonGuard |
hmmm really? |
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18:05
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VonGuard |
pkgsrc? |
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18:05
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balrog |
no |
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18:05
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balrog |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD_ports# |
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18:06
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VonGuard |
fuck yeah |
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18:06
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VonGuard |
nice find, we can actualyl demonstrate that |
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18:06
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VonGuard |
the HP-UX wouldnt be easy to setup |
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18:06
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balrog |
I have an hp-ux machine |
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18:06
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balrog |
actually three of them |
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18:06
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balrog |
a pizza box and two logic analyzers |
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18:06
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VonGuard |
lol |
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18:06
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VonGuard |
you wanna install a 20 year old OS and setup a LAN between two with one cting as a package server? |
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18:06
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balrog |
running that old version of HP-UX though? fun |
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18:07
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VonGuard |
yeah like HP-UX isnt hard enough |
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18:07
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xmc |
haha |
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18:07
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balrog |
let's see when they added network |
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18:08
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balrog |
hmm, sup repositories... |
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18:08
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balrog |
it seems ports was designed to work with sup? |
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18:08
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VonGuard |
hmmmm |
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18:09
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balrog |
does the same executable have to handle downloading? |
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18:13
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VonGuard |
ooooooooo |
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18:13
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balrog |
VonGuard: r500 has support for fetching |
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18:13
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balrog |
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/Mk/bsd.port.mk?view=markup&pathrev=501 |
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18:13
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balrog |
r501 rather |
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18:13
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VonGuard |
r500? |
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18:13
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balrog |
I'm digging over svn |
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18:14
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VonGuard |
also, actual date is July 1997, so first half of 1997 works |
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18:14
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balrog |
see lines 420 |
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18:14
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balrog |
and on |
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18:15
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DFJustin |
I think there's a 1 year grace period for patent stuff so 1995-6 would be better |
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18:15
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balrog |
the 1 year grace period is only for disclosures by the patentee right? |
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18:16
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VonGuard |
yeah |
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18:16
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DFJustin |
anyway this is source code from 1994 |
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18:16
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balrog |
yeah |
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18:16
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VonGuard |
yeah this is great stuff |
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18:16
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VonGuard |
thanks guys |
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18:16
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balrog |
np :) |
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18:22
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VonGuard |
well, i think the bsd stuff is clear |
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18:22
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VonGuard |
scratch one patent, boys |
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18:22
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VonGuard |
good work |
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18:22
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VonGuard |
i like borrowing SketchCow's army |
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18:22
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VonGuard |
now, we need to build a TOSEC for MagicCap and General Magic |
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18:23
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underscor |
<DFJustin> anyway this is source code from 1994 <-- Weird to think someone was writing that code while I was getting splorted out |
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18:24
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turnip |
underscor: *shudder* |
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18:24
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underscor |
hahaha |
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18:25
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DFJustin |
damn kids |
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18:25
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turnip |
Younger than Jurassic Park, how is that even legal |
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18:27
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yipdw |
VonGuard: as another possibility, Squeak existed in 1996 |
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18:30
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balrog |
VonGuard: why does the USPTO allow such patents to even stand? they should fall under "obvious to an expert in the field" |
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18:30
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VonGuard |
yeha i was thinking of smalltalk yipdw |
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18:30
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VonGuard |
did squeak have a package or content management system? |
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18:31
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VonGuard |
i know it's dynamic so shit can just run |
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18:31
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VonGuard |
balrog, because the USPTO employs no software developers |
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18:31
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VonGuard |
only crackpots who think they're the next Einstein |
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18:31
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VonGuard |
cranking away on Fermat's last on lunch breaks |
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18:31
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yipdw |
VonGuard: ooh, not sure if one existed in it < 1997 |
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18:31
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VonGuard |
approving everything they dont understand |
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18:31
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VonGuard |
yeah i dont think squeak had all that in 97 |
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18:31
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VonGuard |
but i'll check |
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18:32
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VonGuard |
lemme email dan or alan |
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18:32
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yipdw |
balrog: because we in the US like to fuck ourselves for short-term gains |
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18:32
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yipdw |
Americans, you see |
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18:32
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underscor |
turnip: hahahaha |
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18:32
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underscor |
I'm not legal, yet! |
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18:33
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underscor |
Well, I mean, age of majority, but you're not really fully legal until like 25 |
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18:33
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turnip |
Renting a car is the last hurdle |
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18:33
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balrog |
this chat really should be in -bs.. |
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18:33
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underscor |
(21 for gambling/alcohol, 25 for vehicle rental) |
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18:33
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turnip |
I can't do that yet |
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18:33
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underscor |
balrog: aye, sorry |
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18:33
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yipdw |
<xmc> woop woop woop off-topic siren |
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18:33
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underscor |
haha |
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18:34
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VonGuard |
yipdw, that's the long and short of it!~ |
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18:34
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VonGuard |
pun intended |
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19:29
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n00b872 |
hey guys, you probably already know (i saw it added to the dying page) but winamp's dying |
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19:29
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n00b872 |
all those plugins and skins D: |
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19:31
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xmc |
yuuuup |
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19:33
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n00b872 |
as far as usability goes... on the other hand, this means certain plugin developers can release a "final" version of this and that plugin so i don't have to use an older version of winamp for everything i use to be compatible |
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19:33
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n00b872 |
but no i don't have any idea how to do this archiving thing and am a total scumbag :( |
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19:34
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yipdw |
n00b872: yeah, we're downloading a bunch of Winamp stuff |
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19:34
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yipdw |
forums.winamp.com is being handled by godane |
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19:34
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yipdw |
ArchiveBot got (most of) the rest |
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19:35
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n00b872 |
whoo, you guys are the best, thanks |
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19:35
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n00b872 |
just the other week i was reading about a super obscure plugin that was removed from the winamp repository for some reason... someone uploaded it elsewhere |
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19:36
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n00b872 |
oh right re: usability: xmplay is still updated, right? guess plugin devs could just move to that |
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19:36
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n00b872 |
lol there are already multiple threads on the xmplay forums about it |
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19:36
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n00b872 |
but yes thank you guys you are gods |
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19:37
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yipdw |
nah, we're just a bunch of jerks led by the big jerk who now works at Internet Archive |
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19:39
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ersi |
shutup you jerk |
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19:39
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ersi |
mwahah |
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20:00
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Nemo_bis |
281 names contributing to hyves, that's a lot |
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20:16
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VonGuard |
careful saving winamp plugins and skins |
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20:16
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VonGuard |
some have virii |
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20:16
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VonGuard |
seen it a couple times |
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20:16
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VonGuard |
old virii but still |
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23:40
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S[h]O[r]T |
http://blog.turntable.fm/post/67777306411/turntable-live-turntable-fm, dont think there is anything public to archive. they are providing csv export for playlists and i dont think that feature is going to dissapear but no idea for sure |
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23:40
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S[h]O[r]T |
Turntable.fm to shut down its social DJ service in favor of live concert efforts |
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23:45
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godane |
S[h]O[r]T: archive bot is going after the blog |
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23:46
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S[h]O[r]T |
awesome |