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03:15 🔗 Start http://www.fin24.com/Tech/Companies/Google-shutting-down-Woza-Online-service-20150112
03:16 🔗 Start looks like we have another warrior project on our hands
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03:34 🔗 Start any good irc channel names for woza online?
03:45 🔗 garyrh #ohnoza #looza #bruiseza ?
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03:58 🔗 Start i like #looza
04:01 🔗 Start https://support.google.com/businesssitebuilder/answer/6098405?hl=en&ref_topic=6088540
04:01 🔗 Start looks like more than just woza is shutting down
04:04 🔗 Start looks like google business sitebuilder and associated services will be shut down
04:04 🔗 Start #sitebreaker
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08:02 🔗 arkiver Start: awesome
08:02 🔗 arkiver let's get on it
08:02 🔗 arkiver #looza and #sitebreaker
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15:52 🔗 antomatic Nyaaaaa! Why do they keep us *waiting* !!! http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00R45V3SW
15:53 🔗 midas1 pricy
15:53 🔗 antomatic (The sata bare drives aren't available until February, it reckons.)
15:53 🔗 antomatic You want pricy, try this: http://www.ebuyer.com/698094-seagate-backup-plus-8tb-desktop-hard-drive-stdt8000200
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15:54 🔗 antomatic That started at £299 a few days ago, and just started going up. Not bad for something that's not even out yet.
15:54 🔗 midas1 what the fuck?
15:54 🔗 midas1 908 gbp
15:54 🔗 midas1 thats fucking idiotic
15:54 🔗 antomatic The prices on the usual "oh yes, we sell those" bottom feeder websites all went up to match, too.
15:55 🔗 antomatic I suspect some automatic pricing thing has misfired somewhere. :)
15:55 🔗 antomatic I might take the customs hit and order one from Amazon. :)
15:56 🔗 antomatic Instant £700 saving. :)
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16:56 🔗 schbirid hmmm, 240€ in germany
16:57 🔗 schbirid http://geizhals.de/?phist=1204027&age=93
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17:28 🔗 midas1 http://azerty.nl/0-826-796775/seagate-archive-hdd-st8000as0002-vaste-schijf-8-tb-intern-3-5-sata-6gb-s-buffer-128-mb.html?channel_code=40
17:28 🔗 midas1 256 in .nl
17:28 🔗 midas1 ill wait a couple of months and i might start replacing my 4T drives
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17:31 🔗 arkiver awesome
17:31 🔗 arkiver definitely my next harddrives
17:32 🔗 yipdw indeed, now I can risk losing even more data while being subject to even tighter supply constraints
17:32 🔗 yipdw win-win
17:32 🔗 antomatic Bear in mind that they're designed for size, not performance - they're made for archiving, not as a daily driver
17:33 🔗 midas1 antomatic: thats the reason why ill be replacing my current 4T drives :p
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19:00 🔗 Start idea: we should have irc channels for general archiveteam-related yahoo and nokia discussion
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20:30 🔗 arkiver SketchCow: alright if I'm going start uploading data (images, videos, fits) from telescopes from solar activity?
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20:36 🔗 arkiver SketchCow: found data going back to 1917
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20:40 🔗 loopholes Hello!
20:41 🔗 loopholes I'm interested in announcing a new archival project
20:41 🔗 loopholes How should I begin?
20:42 🔗 arkiver what site needs archiving?
20:42 🔗 loopholes Well, a mobile platform is closing down its store.
20:42 🔗 loopholes It's Ovi Store
20:43 🔗 loopholes and it is planned to save all Nokia Belle apps and games
20:44 🔗 loopholes Trouble is, I want this to be selective - so that only high quality free content is preserved
20:44 🔗 aaaaaaaaa you should probably check http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Ovi_Store to see if anything is missing.
20:45 🔗 loopholes Oh, I've seen this; they've archived, as far as I can see only Maemo apps, which aren't very many compared to Symbian apps
20:45 🔗 loopholes many*
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20:46 🔗 loopholes I want indeed to do the same for a different platform
20:46 🔗 loopholes because Nokia Store currently has apps for Symbian, Maemo, Meego, S40(java) and ... Android? (I'm not sure of the last one)
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20:49 🔗 chfoo do you have any info on how to download the apps? there's only free maemo apps saved because it didn't require reverse engineering
20:50 🔗 loopholes Can anyone point me out an index file (that lists all the contents of the archive) in here, so that I can make sure it's only for Maemo? https://archive.org/details/maemo-fremantle-ovi
20:50 🔗 loopholes Ye!
20:50 🔗 loopholes Yes, I do!
20:50 🔗 loopholes The technique is very simple
20:50 🔗 loopholes I wrote about it here
20:50 🔗 chfoo https://ia801406.us.archive.org/tarview.php?tar=/28/items/maemo-fremantle-ovi/maemo-fremantle-ovi.tar
20:51 🔗 loopholes Oh, thank you!
20:51 🔗 loopholes .deb's are indeed only for Maemo.
20:52 🔗 loopholes Symbian's installation packages have a .sis or .sisx extension
20:52 🔗 loopholes https://nokia700phone.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/announcement-symbian-archival-project/
20:53 🔗 loopholes anyone still here?
20:54 🔗 chfoo yes, give me time to actually read it
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20:57 🔗 chfoo i don't see how you are downloading the apps? and why not just save as much as reasonably possible instead of some QA criteria?
20:58 🔗 loopholes ouch, sorry, I forgot! https://nokia700phone.wordpress.com/tips-tricks/
20:58 🔗 loopholes we add /Download to the address
20:59 🔗 loopholes Wow, that Chat app has since been removed, but the method works
20:59 🔗 loopholes on other apps that are available
21:00 🔗 loopholes such as this: http://store.ovi.com/content/178823 , an NFC tag writing app: http://store.ovi.com/content/178823/Download
21:01 🔗 chfoo oh, thanks, that is easy
21:02 🔗 loopholes because unfortunately there are some other problems with the store and content gets mixed up, really bad,
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21:02 🔗 loopholes there is a part two of the article, if you want to read it: https://nokia700phone.wordpress.com/2014/12/30/symbian-archival-part-2/
21:04 🔗 loopholes recently the store has been accepting a lot of bad content, which is java and unfortunately also compatible with Symbian
21:04 🔗 xmc ovi store had not-bad apps in it before? <g>
21:05 🔗 loopholes some policies have really been mess up by mico$oft's acquisition
21:05 🔗 loopholes yes, it had, but the quantity has increased in a short time
21:06 🔗 xmc aye
21:06 🔗 loopholes these aside, can I announce this project on the Archive Team?
21:08 🔗 loopholes great, I'm messing up pretty bad my grammar, sleepiness is catching up with me, I guess
21:08 🔗 loopholes sorry
21:09 🔗 xmc sure, you can call it an archiveteam project
21:09 🔗 xmc welcome to archiveteam
21:09 🔗 loopholes ah, thank you! :)
21:10 🔗 xmc SketchCow, share the @s !
21:10 🔗 loopholes I'm really glad I found out about you,
21:10 🔗 xmc also DFJustin balrog etc
21:11 🔗 xmc some years ago I grabbed this item https://archive.org/details/SymbianOpenSource
21:11 🔗 SketchCow precious, precious ops
21:12 🔗 xmc opssssss
21:12 🔗 * xmc croons
21:12 🔗 SketchCow sets mode: +o xmc
21:12 🔗 xmc sets mode: +o swebb
21:12 🔗 SketchCow sets mode: +oooo antomatic APerti_ arkiver BlueMaxim
21:12 🔗 SketchCow sets mode: +oooo Cameron_D Coderjoe dashcloud dcmorton
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21:13 🔗 loopholes wow, that's great! I really wish we could also use the open source symbian system, but, like many projects at nokia, it was abruptly abandoned.
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21:14 🔗 xmc yuuuup
21:14 🔗 balrog xmc: you didn't grab the qnx open source though, right?
21:14 🔗 xmc no
21:14 🔗 xmc didn't know about it
21:16 🔗 loopholes does anyone have some more recent leaked firmware for Symbian?
21:17 🔗 loopholes I was looking for the leaked nokia belle fp2 files
21:17 🔗 loopholes they had some... interesting components
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21:25 🔗 loopholes sorry, I didn't mean to sound cocky, but I wasn't sure how many people here knew about symbian.
21:26 🔗 loopholes what can I do now? can I create an account on your wiki?
21:27 🔗 chfoo what usually happens is someone creates the pipeline scripts that downloads the apps from app number 1 to how many there are
21:28 🔗 xmc yep
21:28 🔗 xmc sets mode: +o chfoo
21:28 🔗 xmc loopholes: the magic word is yahoosucks
21:28 🔗 arkiver I can do those
21:28 🔗 loopholes thanks!
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21:29 🔗 arkiver or loopholes can do the scripts :)
21:29 🔗 xmc ;)
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21:32 🔗 loopholes let me read on this.
21:32 🔗 loopholes ok, I'm technologically impaired; where do I log in? or what should I read?
21:34 🔗 xmc http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup&returnto=Main+Page
21:35 🔗 loopholes much appreciated!
21:36 🔗 xmc my pleasure :)
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21:49 🔗 loopholes how can I help? do you need a warrior now or can we still define what kind of apps we want to archive? is there a way to peep into nokia store's database? can I see how the script works?
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21:49 🔗 xmc how do you download these apps?
21:50 🔗 Start apply "/Download" to the end of the url
21:50 🔗 xmc can you show us an example url though?
21:51 🔗 Start http://store.ovi.com/content/445929
21:51 🔗 loopholes and after removing the redirecting garbage
21:51 🔗 xmc ah
21:51 🔗 Start items are sequential, this could make a godd warrior project
21:51 🔗 Start *good
21:51 🔗 xmc % curl http://store.ovi.com/content/445929/Download
21:51 🔗 xmc bunch of headers ... including a link to the thingy
21:51 🔗 xmc MIDlet-Jar-URL: https://d.ovi.com/p/g/store/17704948/a064ed1cea81617_762402.jar?q=1ZjrhYd07s*E4ptM0OCP1FM8PORFqbzx&c=ovi_store&eid=d823d2f3-c108-4485-9f7d-fd621c3d199f&productid=1150157&sid=OviStore&dlsrc=STORE_COM&iid=DCCWW
21:52 🔗 xmc and that can just be wget'd
21:52 🔗 loopholes yes, the identifier is sequential, but there is no way to see if the app is for Symbian.
21:52 🔗 xmc we can just nab them all
21:52 🔗 xmc easier
21:52 🔗 Start Nokia-Webapp-URL: http://wam.browser.ovi.com/wam/v1_0/clients/608f4de1073532889e1b238db0dfdfd6/webapps/a064ed1cea81617345613e71f4505f18/?name=wikiHow&type=webapp
21:52 🔗 Start looks to be an image
21:52 🔗 xmc aye
21:53 🔗 xmc probably best to just nab all urls listed in headers
21:53 🔗 xmc do you have an example of an app that gives a sis/sisx app?
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21:53 🔗 loopholes hm... that is easy, but we'll be left with a huge unorganised collection
21:53 🔗 loopholes ^^^^this one, for example, has Asha api's and won't work on Symbian
21:54 🔗 xmc curation can come later
21:54 🔗 xmc first, get all the data that the service exposes.
21:54 🔗 loopholes we shouldn't archive the entire nokia store
21:54 🔗 xmc why not
21:54 🔗 loopholes or we could!
21:54 🔗 loopholes yesh!
21:54 🔗 loopholes yeah!
21:54 🔗 arkiver heh
21:54 🔗 xmc NOW you're in archiveteam
21:54 🔗 arkiver so what's the plan
21:54 🔗 arkiver warrior/archivebot/manual?
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21:54 🔗 xmc manual might be sufficient
21:54 🔗 xmc how high do these numbers go?
21:55 🔗 loopholes wait, let me check something
21:55 🔗 xmc i have to get back to work, unfortunately, but i'll be free in 5-6 hours
21:55 🔗 garyrh maybe this project should get a channel?
21:56 🔗 xmc #downlovi
21:56 🔗 Start adding it to current projects
21:56 🔗 arkiver Start: going manual for now
21:56 🔗 Start ok
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21:57 🔗 loopholes I will try to find an app that was published a long time ago and another that was puvlished very recently
21:57 🔗 Start i'll try seeing if i can find the highest url from the archivebot grab
21:57 🔗 xmc cool
21:57 🔗 loopholes so that we can see
21:57 🔗 loopholes yeah
21:59 🔗 loopholes I have to go to a competition in 7 hours, hm... do you mind if I go get some sleep and come back later?
21:59 🔗 xmc sure i guess?
21:59 🔗 xmc do you know when ovi store goes away?
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21:59 🔗 loopholes cool, see you later!
21:59 🔗 loopholes Thanks for agreeing to help me!
22:00 🔗 xmc you should join #downlovi too
22:00 🔗 loopholes never used efnet before, where do I join?
22:01 🔗 xmc try typing /join #downlovi and press enter
22:01 🔗 loopholes got it!
22:01 🔗 xmc coolz
22:01 🔗 loopholes thanks!
22:01 🔗 xmc :)
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22:22 🔗 waddlespl arkiver: re the 64dd backup: it appears it's getting a lot of these:
22:22 🔗 waddlespl http://64dd.net/user.php?xoops_redirect=/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=6307
22:22 🔗 waddlespl which are obviously are all dupes
22:22 🔗 waddlespl and are ignored, because they redirect to a user page
22:23 🔗 waddlespl so you can probably add user.php to the ignore list
22:23 🔗 waddlespl unless I'm wrong and you aren't ignoring user pages
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22:32 🔗 arkiver waddlespl: do you know till when it will be online?
22:36 🔗 arkiver waddlespl: ignored
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23:27 🔗 waddlespl arkiver: no, the forum topic is private so we have no idea when it will go offline
23:27 🔗 waddlespl arkiver: I'm from #n64dev, which is (one of) the last standing N64[DD] development hubs, so we don't want to lose 64dd.net obviously
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23:34 🔗 waddlespl arkiver: also, the delay doesn't really need to be 2000-4000ms, you can probably reduce it to 1000-2000 -- unless someone set it as that on purpose
23:35 🔗 waddlespl arkiver: same for the amazon pages, no need to copy them
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