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utzoo doesn't even get all newsgroups, for example it's missing a lot of mod.* groups currently |
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plan..: ok. i'll dig a bit further through the IETF material to see if anything ever came out of his offer .. try to get the details of his caches, and if it won't add any new msg-ids prod him for the ISOs and artwork just for the heck of archiving stuff |
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(of course by "currently", I always mean "exactly 30 years ago") |
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closure: yeah, but maybe he was just a leaf of utzoo back then .. and there are only a handfull of messages to be recovered in it |
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and yeah, even isos with every post the same have archival value. It would tell us how well utzoo did retain stuff |
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closure: very true, and i really want to hear his story, .. man, that's like these tapes that were being flown to australia |
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usenet on CD .. haha |
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but utzoo had disk crashes and stuff. I'll be astounded if they managed to not lose every item. They were using tapes for crying out loud ;) |
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Anyway, the point is, archive.org will gladly host any data from anywhere that people have for anything, usenet included. |
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So if someone wants to take that on, great. |
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Just like I've been sitting here imaging Apple II floppies. |
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i switched off a 1TB spool in 2002 with posts going back to 1998 :-( |
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http://www.restart.be/history/eunet-news.html |
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:( |
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That's how it goes |
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SketchCow: yeah, one of the ways these things go .. big difference between company going bust and a company just saying, fuck yahou users.. |
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Anyway, point is, if someone wants to connect all the dots and reach out, go for it. |
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Archive.org has a lot, and can be a good general bit |
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In the future, a la closure's work, archive.org should really host a way to read these items. |
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closure wonders what is the total size of all items in https://archive.org/details/usenethistorical |
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hmm, maybe this will tell me https://archive.org/download/usenet-metadata/original_usenet_lsaltr.txt |
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total 2786095064 |
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when i operated that platform we assumed volume doubling every year |
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looks like that is 2.5 tb compressed, if I got the block size right |
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where: &w_collection=usenethistorical* | size: 695,311,412 KB |
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hmm, I dug into the "special" collection and noticed it has some groups from before the great renaming. Looking at eg, mod.politics, it goes back to at least 1985 |
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DFJustin: seems light |
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Well, it compresses like crazy |
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oh doh, this ls is indeed uncompressed |
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Articles like this http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/01/26/cobweb make me very proud to be a member of ArchiveTeam :) |
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Nice article. |
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Snooty quote from the British Library: |
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"The U.K. has whatβs known as a legal-deposit law; it requires copies of everything published in Britain to be deposited in the British Library. In 2013, that law was revised to include everything published on the U.K. Web. βPeople put their private lives up there, and we actually donβt want that stuff,β Andy Jackson, the technical head of the U.K. Web Archive, told me. βWe donβt want a |
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nything that you wouldnβt consider a publication.β |
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I had hoped they would be cooler than that, honestly. Ho hum. |
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Ha ha, Andy Jackson's a buddy |
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He's talking, in his way, about "hey, you don't want it saved forever, we get that" |
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>:( |
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save everything forever |
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if privacy is a concern keep it private for a few decades/centuries |
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Ah, OK. :) |
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http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2015/01/andreessen-horowitz-invests-in-stack-exchange/ |
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"For those of you who have been with us since the early days of Our Incredible Journey, thank you." |
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OMG, DEY GUNNA SHUTDOWN :@ |
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you're shitting me |
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they actually used that phrase |
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that entire article is comedy gold, read it |
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Everybody wants to know what weοΏ½re going to do with all that money. First of all, of course weοΏ½re going to gold-plate the Aeron chairs in the office. Then weοΏ½re going to upgrade the game room, and weοΏ½re already sending lox platters to our highest-rep users. |
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hm... |
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and its not even april 1st yet ._. |
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