[00:00] *** Nertsy has joined #archiveteam [00:02] *** Lord_Nigh has joined #archiveteam [00:03] *** balrog sets mode: +o Lord_Nigh [00:20] *** Selanda has joined #archiveteam [00:24] *** Nertsy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 512 seconds) [00:25] *** Nertsy has joined #archiveteam [00:31] *** Lord_Nigh has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:31] *** Lord_Nigh has joined #archiveteam [00:48] *** Emcy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 512 seconds) [00:52] *** Emcy has joined #archiveteam [00:57] *** cbb2 has joined #archiveteam [00:57] *** Nertsy has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [01:05] *** Nertsy has joined #archiveteam [01:06] *** Nertsy has quit IRC (Client Quit) [01:10] *** Nertsy has joined #archiveteam [01:22] *** nwf has joined #archiveteam [01:24] Hey gang; I just saw the article on slashdot about NEWTON going away. Is there an effort to archive it? [01:25] (I didn't see anything on the wiki, but I may have missed it.) [01:25] link? [01:25] *** Thynix has joined #archiveteam [01:26] http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/ [01:26] 5 days [01:26] uh, three because i can't count [01:26] Any plans to archive... yeah ^ [01:26] http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/02/25/2313241/argonne-national-laboratory-shuts-down-online-ask-a-scientist-program or... that. thanks winr5r [01:26] well [01:27] I just started a 'wget -r -np' on an I2 link, but I don't know if it'll finish in time. [01:27] wow that's like only 4 days of notice [01:27] it looks like flat html [01:27] no ajax asshattery [01:27] so should archive easily [01:27] that's encouraging [01:27] huh, let's see how much disk i have on my VPS [01:27] i could probably get this [01:27] this actually looks really easy to crawl [01:28] yes [01:28] well nwf, next time you want to try archiving on your own, use wget with all the right options (especially Archive Team's WARC dump option): https://github.com/baslqc/baslqc/wiki/Wget#wget-warc [01:28] Our Archives > Category > To see all entries [01:28] antonizoo: Thanks! I'll restart, using that. [01:29] Hopefully anl.gov forgives me the double-downloading. [01:29] nwf: i doubt they'll notice [01:29] i think it'll be fine as long as you have a good enough delay [01:29] Should we be concerned about DOSing it? I suppose it's shrugged off a slashdotting already. [01:29] Thynix: probably not [01:29] 2 seconds? [01:29] So.... behold, a .gov with robust hosting. [01:30] Thynix: serving up static file is a solved problem [01:30] Is there anything I can run to help? [01:30] +s [01:30] Or it sounds like you've got it already? [01:30] Thynix: you may as well grab a copy [01:30] i am! [01:30] how is a duplicate useful? [01:31] aw crap requires Jessie [01:32] Thynix: i think you just asked archive team "why is a redundant copy a good idea" [01:32] that was not my intention but it did come off that way [01:34] so... where do we recommend sites for the archivebot to dump [01:34] I'm now at the point where I'm not sure what I meant. I'll start a Jessie VM then. [01:34] I would normally dump it myself, but the site is pretty large (no images though) [01:35] antonizoo: what site? [01:35] it's 4chandata.org . No images, text only, weird structure [01:35] antonizoo: ask in here, there's a couple with archivebot access [01:35] also 4chanArchive.org . They are in danger because the admin ran out of funding and stopped archiving [01:35] whoops, 4chanArchive.net [01:35] and 4chandata.org [01:36] I think a person, (who I assume is the admin ) came in here and offered a massive dump of this site, but I'm not sure if he ever followed through [01:37] so once I have a mirror what do I do with it? [01:37] oh FAQ [01:38] okay next question [01:38] say we both have mirrors of the site now - why would we both upload it to archive.org? [01:38] Thynix: as long as one of you does, it's fine [01:41] *** Ymgve has quit IRC () [01:41] http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=4chan#4chandata.2F4chanarchive [01:41] Interestingly, one person a few years back uploaded it's original image archive [01:42] now it's text is in danger though [01:42] *** xk_id_ has joined #archiveteam [01:42] *** xk_id has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:42] *** xk_id_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:42] I can dump the site myself, 4chandata.org (and there's no images), but it's likely to get big, so anyone feel like putting it in the archivebot? [01:44] *** Thynix has quit IRC (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [01:45] *** Thynix has joined #archiveteam [01:46] *** xk_id has joined #archiveteam [01:46] Also, is there anyone who can accept WARC files to be imported into the Internet Archive (like Archivebot does)? Currently I just upload using http://archive.org/upload [01:46] *Wayback Machine [01:48] yes, an IA admin can [01:49] oh, cool [01:50] well, if anyone wants to know, I've already uploaded the WARC dumps via the normal uploader, so just look for the tag: https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Bibliotheca%20Anonoma%22 [01:50] the big ones are: https://archive.org/details/studionyami-com_penfifteen-2012-03-05 [01:50] fybertech: https://archive.org/details/fybertech [01:52] *** xk_id_ has joined #archiveteam [01:52] *** xk_id has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [01:52] *** Start has quit IRC (Disconnected.) [01:53] excellent [01:53] *** Start has joined #archiveteam [01:54] i'm grabbing a non-WARC version, might end up rehosting newton because i can [01:54] Newton is tiny, as it turns out. -- Downloaded: 20388 files, 269M. [01:55] Now that I've got it, where do I send these warc files? [01:55] christ [01:55] *** winr5r is now known as winr4r [01:55] they can't afford like, $2/month to keep that shit online? [01:56] nwf: IA uploader, ask an IA admin to put it in the archive team collection [01:56] *** Emcy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 306 seconds) [01:56] NEWTON is also in archivebot, when that's done it'll get uploaded to IA for processing into the wayback machine [02:04] *** cbb2 has quit IRC (cbb2) [02:05] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [02:05] hey, my wget WARC instance is going in an infinite loop [02:06] is there any way to continue a wget WARC dump? [02:06] don't really want to do everything again [02:06] it's been a week dumping already [02:06] I'll upload a picture to imgur [02:07] http://i.imgur.com/Ye9XvMH.jpg [02:07] so basically, this wget script is doomed to go down /src/src/src/src/src/... for eternity [02:08] http://195.242.99.71/eos/kareha.pl/1140909402/src/1140909578052.jpg [02:08] offending url link [02:09] i recall reading that you can't resume a WARC with wget [02:09] damn, why? [02:09] let me make sure of that [02:09] any way I can prevent this kind of infinite loop? [02:10] because it's starting to get insane [02:10] http://i.imgur.com/ZBFRLIy.jpg [02:10] It grows [02:11] when will it end [02:11] is there a wget option that prevents going under an insane amount of directories? [02:11] if you set --level [02:14] Alright. I think I will set --level to 50 as a failsafe. Should we warn people about this sort of bug on the wiki? [02:14] because it basically destroyed a whole week's of WARC dumping [02:15] better yet, is there a technical reason why a WARC dump cannot be continued? [02:16] antonizoo: i am not totally sure that is the case, i'm trying to find where i read that [02:17] well, wget does remind you that --continue does not work with WARC [02:17] it's not really a bug in wget, it's a bug in that wakaba that just keeps going (this may be best in -bs) [02:18] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [02:19] true. So, I'll be setting --level=50 from now on [02:19] so, there's no way a site would have more than, like, 50 directory levels, right? [02:20] I guess 100 to be extra safe? [02:20] antonizoo: decide that per-site [02:20] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam [02:21] true. though, have you ever heard of a website with excessively long directory paths? [02:21] remember that's not directory levels thats link levels so page a linking to page b is one, b to c is another [02:21] oh [02:22] anything that will let me escape from this infinite loop condition? [02:22] I will have to redump the site again [02:25] *** Specular has joined #archiveteam [02:26] oh god it hungers [02:26] http://i.imgur.com/7YPFAUf.jpg [02:26] hungry hungry hippos [02:27] in this case, for this site, wouldn't --level be functionally identical to "directory depth of X" [02:28] perhaps [02:29] though I don't want to lose any page [02:29] then again, if we think of a website like a branching tree [02:29] homepage -> threads -> images [02:29] but then again, pages of threads would probably count under that fact, right? This site is massive and has 200 pages of threads [02:30] I just need an option that prevents an infinite /src/src/src/src/src/src/src/ decending [02:30] Archivebot can do that. If you don't want to use the main bot, you could run your own [02:31] (if you do that change the user agent though so people don't think you're the main one) [02:31] oh, cool. What is archivebot based on? [02:32] antonizoo: also, X60 represent \o/ [02:32] this link from the ArchiveTeam wikipage is dead: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/ArchiveBot/blob/master/INSTALL [02:32] oh wait, the file was moved, not the repo: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/ArchiveBot/ [02:33] yes, the X60 uses Libreboot. I helped to write the guide on installation [02:33] before, they had very little documetnation [02:33] archivebot uses wpull [02:33] http://i.imgur.com/7YPFAUf.jpg [02:34] mispaste. https://github.com/chfoo/wpull [02:34] maybe we should take this to #archiveteam-bs? [02:35] sure [02:35] The URLs are as follows [02:35] yes [02:35] *** Spring has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [02:35] oh, yeah, moving to another channel [02:44] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [02:49] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam [03:23] *** Emcy has joined #archiveteam [03:47] *** Emcy_ has joined #archiveteam [03:48] Thynix, nwf, have you uploaded your grabs yet? 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[05:28] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam [05:42] nwf: ah okay [05:43] (currently at 55 / 157 MB pushed) [05:43] oh man, i just got 15mbit up yesterday, it's amazing [05:45] anyway, when you create an item, http://wat.lewiscollard.com/archive/archive-www.newton.dep.anl.gov-20150214-converted-links.tar.gz [05:45] stick that in there as well, that's a mirror-(almost)-ready version [05:52] "create an item"? [05:52] Aw, damn, I just realized I have the wrong thing in Page title because of a typo when I was selecting files. Can that be changed at a later part of the UI? [05:53] yeah [05:53] Hooray [05:54] everything except the item name (url) can be changed [06:09] *** sep332 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [06:20] *** sep332 has joined #archiveteam [07:04] FYI: anyone that's in #flogger will be kicked to be aware that the real Blogger channel that we're using is #frogger in around 30 or so minutes [07:05] if anyone has objections to me doing this, speak now, or forever hold your peace [07:18] will that project have work to do in tracker soon-ish? [07:22] *** Smiley has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:22] *** Smiley has joined #archiveteam [07:22] *** antomati_ has joined #archiveteam [07:25] *** antomatic has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [07:33] *** antonizoo has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[15:28] fche: it's being archived, it's between the other sites here: http://archivebot.com/ [15:28] excellent, thanks! [15:28] y'all are doing god's work, so to speak, thanks [15:29] (might want to plop that onto http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Deathwatch) [16:03] asked in the IA channel but no reply, is there some indexed search of archived sites? It occurred to me earlier that many sites have a risk of being effectively 'forgotten' if users aren't aware of the old links, due especially to regular search results which can lead to fewer new mentions in active sites over time for obscure pages with still-relevant content. [16:08] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam [16:08] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [16:12] no [16:12] Spring: these is no search function currently in the wayback machine [16:12] maybe better with no search function [16:13] to prevent robots.txt exclusions? [16:13] to prevent a lot of pages going dark due to complaints [16:13] *** xtr-201 has joined #archiveteam [16:14] but no, there's no search function or index of all archived sites in the wayback machine [16:14] someday they'll hopefully be an unofficial index, so much good content is there [16:14] *there'll [16:16] *** primus105 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [16:17] index of sites or index of content? [16:17] the latter sounds prohibitively difficult [16:21] the content. Would be a huge task but sooner or later it seems some sites will be so obscure as to practically not exist in the future. [16:25] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam [16:25] it's the whole 'if a tree falls in the woods but no one's there to hear it', does the content exist to those who can't find it (not as much relevant from a archivist's pov, but more from a user's pov). 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