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00:41 🔗 wyatt8750 any idea why archive.org thinks I have a robots.txt when I don't?
00:41 🔗 wyatt8750 found when I did this http://web.archive.org/web/20150407003912/http://wyatt8740.no-ip.org/git-glkterm-win32.tar.xz
00:42 🔗 wyatt8750 links me to http://wyatt8740.no-ip.org/robots.txt
00:42 🔗 wyatt8750 but that file has never existed and never will
00:44 🔗 wyatt8750 I just want to archive some source code on my site ;_;
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00:45 🔗 aaaaaaaaa From what has been said here, they are working on fixing on robots.txt issues but I don't know the specifics.
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00:46 🔗 wyatt8750 ah, okay
00:46 🔗 wyatt8750 so it's not some scary DNS spoofing thing that's messing with my site
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01:31 🔗 DFJustin apparently there was an issue where, if robots.txt was 404 on one subdomain it would try others
01:31 🔗 DFJustin and I notice https://www.noip.com/robots.txt disallows everything
01:31 🔗 DFJustin so it might work if you create a permissive robots.txt
01:31 🔗 xmc awkward
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02:17 🔗 wyatt8750 i have never made a robots.txt. is it just allow-all /
02:17 🔗 wyatt8750 'allow-all /'*
02:17 🔗 xmc user-agent: *
02:17 🔗 xmc allow: *
02:18 🔗 xmc or allow: /
02:18 🔗 xmc i've made them before with just the text
02:18 🔗 xmc # Go for it.
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02:47 🔗 wyatt8750 not working
02:48 🔗 wyatt8750 this is right, isn't it? http://wyatt8740.no-ip.org/robots.txt
02:49 🔗 aschmitz You might try "User-agent" and "Allow" instead of the lowercase versions.
02:50 🔗 wyatt8750 still nothing
02:51 🔗 wyatt8750 anyway, is it probably going to be fixed oon?
02:51 🔗 wyatt8750 can I just wait?
02:51 🔗 wyatt8750 the page is still up, i'm just trying to make sure its backed up
02:55 🔗 achip try "Allow: /"? but you should be able to wait just fine, we can grab a copy as well :)
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02:56 🔗 wyatt8750 did try that too. thanks. I think it was backed up once before but a few things have changed
02:57 🔗 aaaaaaaaa It might take awhile for the crawler or whatever checks to notice.
02:57 🔗 wyatt8750 that's alright
02:58 🔗 wyatt8750 so someone told it to do it? because I've forgotten the channel that you do it from
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03:22 🔗 aschmitz wyatt8750: You probably want #archivebot, but I think only +v people there can actually submit jobs. Just ask in there for someone to do it, and they'll put it in for you.
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03:52 🔗 DFJustin wyatt8750: after you change the robots.txt you may need to do web.archive.org/save/ on it in order for it to see the change
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06:42 🔗 freespiri is this channel for wayback machine ?
06:42 🔗 Atluxity well... no
06:43 🔗 Atluxity I do not know if the wayback machine has its own channel
06:43 🔗 freespiri darn it
06:43 🔗 Atluxity would you happen to know of any site worth archiving?
06:44 🔗 Atluxity we like to archive websites
06:45 🔗 freespiri i wanted to figure out how I could search wayback machine or the web for 2005 apartment comments that could have been deleted over time
06:48 🔗 freespiri archiving comments from individuals could be important especially around the time of a serious crime.. i think so
06:49 🔗 yipdw at present, Wayback's main search interface is by URL
06:49 🔗 yipdw so you'll need to know the URL, or a prefix, to access archives
06:50 🔗 yipdw in future full-text search might come online but that's a way down the road
06:52 🔗 freespiri yipdw: I noticed its uses url but when i go to that url, i cannot search the website for past comments
06:53 🔗 yipdw website search typically hits a server program, and Wayback doesn't emulate those
06:53 🔗 yipdw what's the URL?
06:54 🔗 freespiri http://www.apartmentratings.com
06:54 🔗 yipdw I mean of the comments
06:55 🔗 yipdw you might have better luck hitting a spiderable index, e.g. http://web.archive.org/web/20050727013705/http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/vcs/index.html
06:55 🔗 yipdw or http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/vcs/index.html for all versions
06:56 🔗 freespiri http://www.apartmentratings.com/tx/san-antonio/the-place-at-shadow-valley_210647103378238/review-1280905/
06:57 🔗 freespiri i want to find all past comments involving this murder
06:57 🔗 yipdw the only match for a prefix is http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.apartmentratings.com/tx/san-antonio/
06:57 🔗 yipdw that particular URL doesn't exist
06:58 🔗 yipdw that said, it is a live URL, so you can add it to Wayback
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06:59 🔗 freespiri I've pasted all the comments that i can find in websleuths .. it isnt in Wayback?
07:01 🔗 yipdw it isn't but you don't need Wayback to find it
07:01 🔗 yipdw http://www.apartmentratings.com/tx/san-antonio/the-place-at-shadow-valley_210647103378238/review-305823/
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07:03 🔗 freespiri It's hard for me to believe that none of the girls neighbors hard anything or commented on this somewhere .. yeah i saw that .. i went through all the comments one by one until i got to 2005 but i am sure allot were deleted
07:06 🔗 yipdw it's difficult to archive that page because URLs to new reviews only show up on mouse interaction
07:08 🔗 freespiri thats so disappointing :(
07:08 🔗 * yipdw shrugs
07:08 🔗 yipdw it's a difficult page to archive
07:08 🔗 freespiri read this and you will see why http://www.apartmentratings.com/tx/san-antonio/the-place-at-shadow-valley_210647103378238/review-111205335/
07:08 🔗 yipdw I found http://www.ksat.com/content/pns/ksat/news/2013/02/22/crime-stoppers-need-help-in-heather-ann-willms-murder-case.html
07:09 🔗 yipdw and I'm stopping here because I'm really not interested in reading about murder cases
07:09 🔗 yipdw it's too grim
07:09 🔗 schbirid freespiri: if you have law enforcement on your site you might want to get in touch with IA directly
07:10 🔗 freespiri I know about all the news articles.. I asked a news reporter friend to do another news story on her
07:11 🔗 freespiri Ive been bugging them to reopen this cold case
07:12 🔗 freespiri it should have never gone cold.. just sayin
07:13 🔗 yipdw what we can do for you is help archive the current state of those pages and provide tools to keep it under closer control
07:13 🔗 yipdw however, reviews for that particular complex seem to be limited to a fetch on 3/16/2015
07:14 🔗 freespiri :) thankyou yipdw
07:14 🔗 xmc "The appliances are out of date and the maintenance doesnt fix the real problem they just jerry rig it to make it work for a while."
07:14 🔗 xmc sounds like every landlord ever
07:15 🔗 freespiri true.. true xmc
07:15 🔗 yipdw freespiri: that said schbirid has a good idea; if you can get law enforcement involved (again) IA might have additional materials
07:16 🔗 yipdw (maybe; Wayback is usually pretty clear about what it has and doesn't have)
07:19 🔗 freespiri yipdw: my cousin is friends with a homicide detective and he is also on my Facebook... trust me !! i have bugged him allot about this.. he would have to bug Leon Valley and I do not think Leon Valley competent
07:21 🔗 yipdw freespiri: I initiated an archivebot job to grab all reviews on that page; see http://dashboard.at.ninjawedding.org/?showNicks=1
07:22 🔗 yipdw results typically appear in Wayback within a day of job completion
07:22 🔗 freespiri I'm sorry i brought up a grim topic .. omg, thankyou yipdw
07:22 🔗 yipdw extracting URLs from that page sucks
07:22 🔗 yipdw it's all onclick handlers in divs
07:23 🔗 yipdw freespiri: anyway, one thing you can do to record what you find is to use https://webrecorder.io/
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07:23 🔗 yipdw you browse through it and it saves what you see
07:23 🔗 yipdw then you can download the results as a WARC, which is Wayback-compatible
07:24 🔗 freespiri this is all easy for you but not for the police.. i totally will , thankyou
07:27 🔗 freespiri i'm bookmarking your sites.. hold on
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07:44 🔗 freespiri i got booted
07:44 🔗 freespiri so i had to reboot in Ubuntu
07:50 🔗 freespiri yipdw: i was trying to say.. i am sorry if i brought up a grim topic. If i could find other valuable links to archive I would except there is not much about this cold case on the internet .. thats why i wanted to dig for other forums and comments sites that discussed these apartments
07:50 🔗 freespiri or this case
07:51 🔗 yipdw that's just my personal reaction to this subject; no need to apologize for it
07:51 🔗 yipdw I hope you do find something out there because cold cases are horrible to deal with on all sides
07:54 🔗 freespiri anything brought to the surface could only help catching the person capable of doing something like this.. I do think programmers have allot to offer when dealing with issues like this.. this is why i respect you guys so much :)
08:11 🔗 freespiri if programmers came together and created something easy for parents who have lost a son or daughter to a murderer that searched for things people might be discussing on the web about their children or loved ones would be a blessing ..especially if the tool helped catch the person responsible... but i know this type of tool might be impossible yipdw people always talk ..
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08:16 🔗 xmc possibly you overestimate what can be done with softare
08:17 🔗 freespiri what do you mean?
08:19 🔗 freespiri xmc ?
08:29 🔗 joepie91_ not impossible, just really expensive right now
08:29 🔗 joepie91_ :)
08:29 🔗 joepie91_ and potentially requires being the NSA
08:32 🔗 freespiri the NSA does not care about parents who are grieving or catching murderers !! They only care about the themselves, governemt
08:36 🔗 joepie91_ (it was a joke)
08:38 🔗 freespiri sadly I couldn’t help but wonder if Leon Valley Police even put the DNA found at the scene into codis.. especially after it clicked to me that a similar homicide happened years later a few miles away from this girls apartment..
08:39 🔗 ersi Seems like it's time to move this to our off-topic channel at #archiveteam-bs instead, as it's not a discussion about actual archiving anymore.
08:40 🔗 freespiri http://www.kens5.com/story/news/local/2014/06/27/10640982/
08:41 🔗 freespiri opps.. sorry ersi thought i posted it there
08:42 🔗 ersi np, just saying
08:55 🔗 freespiri I was about to to leave since its really late .. Before i do, I just wanted to tell xmc , thankyou for the laugh about the apartments and the comment. Peoples comments are sometimes the funniest thing to read. Also yipdw thank-you so much for your help with the archiving.. ersi my main purpose here was to ask about retrieving past archives and archiving comments that parents or family...
08:55 🔗 freespiri ...members could search related to a murder. i would love for this conversation to be archived so interested programmers could see it and program software that is needed... Gnight ALL.. and thankyou again
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17:34 🔗 anomie Is it possible to run the warrior on a headless machine?
17:36 🔗 aschmitz You can definitely run pipeline scripts headless. The warrior itself, probably? I know someone had posted a Dockerfile for it here that should probably do it.
17:37 🔗 aschmitz https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/warrior-dockerfile looks like it.
17:41 🔗 anomie All right.
17:41 🔗 anomie Now I just gotta figure out how to use docker.
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17:50 🔗 patrickod awesome. bookmarked to run on a machine at home
17:54 🔗 Nemo_bis Hi anomie
17:54 🔗 Nemo_bis docker was vastly easier than VirtualBox for me on fedora
17:55 🔗 anomie All right. I'll check it out.
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18:08 🔗 arkiver chfoo: can you please add the layervault project to projects.json?
18:09 🔗 arkiver #layersalt
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18:10 🔗 arkiver LayerVault project will start today!
18:12 🔗 chfoo arkiver: ok. added.
18:13 🔗 arkiver thanks!
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21:32 🔗 donkus hey
21:32 🔗 donkus http://blog.pomf.se/post/115239667846/a-needed-thing
21:32 🔗 donkus ^ that might be of interest to the archive team
21:32 🔗 donkus if they do decide to go down
21:32 🔗 donkus s/decide to/end up/
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23:05 🔗 Start we've started layervault (#layersalt)
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