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02:47 🔗 john1 Out of curiosity, would it ever have been considered to archive libgen if we knew it was about to be taken down?
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02:54 🔗 dashcloud if you know (or reasonably belive) that a site is going down, at least mention it here so someone can try to figure out if something can be done
02:56 🔗 anomie Yes, but the reason is they're being sued for copyright infringement, and it's not entirely baseless.
02:57 🔗 anomie Libgen is an ebook piracy site from Russia.
02:57 🔗 vitzli how can I change mediatype:texts to mediatype:web in archive.org item?
02:57 🔗 vitzli anomie, are they being sued?
02:57 🔗 anomie vitzli: Yep. https://torrentfreak.com/libgen-goes-down-as-legal-pressure-mounts-150622/
02:58 🔗 vitzli oh shit
02:58 🔗 anomie They have always encouraged people to download their archive off their FTP though, so even if they get legally reaped, I doubt the plaintiff will be very successful in their endeavors.
02:59 🔗 anomie Of course, that is terabytes of data.
02:59 🔗 vitzli they have torrent collections
02:59 🔗 vitzli about 40-60 TB, to my knowledge
02:59 🔗 anomie But I'm sure if we got involved, we'd be next on the list.
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03:10 🔗 vitzli is it possible to upload 10GB file into an item with web browser?
03:10 🔗 anomie Sure, if your connection isn't interrupted.
03:11 🔗 anomie (theoretically)
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03:18 🔗 SketchCow WHO ARE THESE NEW PEOPLE
03:19 🔗 anomie Who, me?
03:19 🔗 JesseW /me is just zis guy, you know.
03:22 🔗 vitzli /me is dumb and trying to upload item into wikiteam collection
03:23 🔗 anomie For obvious reasons, ArchiveTeam should not make any public efforts to preserve the libgen library.
03:24 🔗 anomie However, if anyone individually wants to preserve it, here's a list of magnet links. http://fennetic.net/pub/libgen_magnets_0-789.txt
03:24 🔗 anomie (please don't ban me)
03:31 🔗 SketchCow Sir (I'm assuming sir), your biggest issue is no backbone.
03:31 🔗 SketchCow I'm not a fan of cops, but my least favorite cop is the one you put in your own head.
03:32 🔗 SketchCow The world is full of forces that will stop, slow down, or decimate culture and artifacts.
03:32 🔗 SketchCow Don't be one
03:34 🔗 anomie Yes, I know. But I'm not worried about that.
03:35 🔗 anomie I just don't want ArchiveTeam to endorse this, because I'm afraid that will make it harder for ArchiveTeam to accomplish it's goals in the long run.
03:36 🔗 vitzli that magnet list is a bit old, I saw a new one somewhere
03:36 🔗 anomie I mean, archiving someone's site without permision is already legally questionable, AFAIK.
03:36 🔗 anomie vitzli: Please do share.
03:37 🔗 vitzli http://pastebin.com/z7Gsy6xx copy of http://lib**n.biz/repository_torrent/magnet-links.txt
03:38 🔗 vitzli uh, I'm sorry, my cat accidentally step on a keyboard, he does this sometimes. sorry once again
03:40 🔗 SketchCow sets mode: +b *!*john@*.tmodns.net
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03:40 🔗 SketchCow It's....
03:40 🔗 SketchCow <sniff>
03:40 🔗 SketchCow It's what he would have wanted
03:41 🔗 SketchCow Hey, speaking of which, that crazy kid hasn't shown up in forever. He must have turned 18 or something.
03:42 🔗 vitzli SketchCow, have you seen IPFS demo?
03:43 🔗 SketchCow Is this IPFS the distributeed cryptographic filesystem?
03:44 🔗 vitzli yes, crypto for objects is optional though
03:45 🔗 SketchCow arkiver: Did Halo stop?
03:45 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, looks like Halo finished. Oh happy day if so.
03:47 🔗 aaaaaaaaa SketchCow: it looks like there is one more item set left on the github repo
03:54 🔗 Nertsy Hey can I barge in here and get some feedback on something a friend and I have been working on?\
03:55 🔗 Nertsy We have spent the last few months creating an automatic tumblr archiver. Just feed it the blogs you want archived and it will save the post to a postgres database and the media associated with the post to the FS
03:55 🔗 Nertsy Here is how it looks now (Warning NSFW) t.archive.horse
03:56 🔗 SketchCow You think anybody in here has work
03:56 🔗 SketchCow or a job
03:57 🔗 pikhq I'm out of work these days, personally.
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03:58 🔗 trs80 I'm at work right now
03:58 🔗 SketchCow This is my work
03:58 🔗 Nertsy ... Yeah I thought most here would...
04:00 🔗 Nertsy so... any thoughts anyone?
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04:03 🔗 vitzli I'm not a member of archiveteam, may I give my output?
04:04 🔗 Nertsy of course
04:04 🔗 vitzli I think ISO date-time format (YYYYMMDD HH:MM:SS) would be better than 12 AM/PM
04:05 🔗 kniffy no search function yet?
04:05 🔗 Nertsy kniffy, working on a sphinxsearch based thing. That's next on the roadmap
04:06 🔗 Nertsy Need to read those docs...
04:06 🔗 kniffy ah
04:06 🔗 kniffy otherwise pretty cool work
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04:08 🔗 Nertsy (if anyone knows how to do sphinxsearch and is willing to help that would be awesome)
04:08 🔗 Nertsy and thanks for your feedback vitzli and kniffy
04:10 🔗 kniffy no problem, best of luck on that
04:12 🔗 DFJustin Nertsy: WARC would be better than putting it in a bespoke database
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04:13 🔗 Nertsy ?
04:15 🔗 DFJustin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_ARChive
04:15 🔗 DFJustin http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=The_WARC_Ecosystem
04:18 🔗 Nertsy Ah. We decided on a database method of storage because we were already familiar with SQL and could easily implement media & post archival without encountering a duplicate and because of the wide support for postgres. The capability to rapidly search is also a huge strength of using a database.
04:19 🔗 yipdw accessibility is one of the major reasons WARC is usually preferred around here
04:21 🔗 Nertsy also doing incremental (offsite) backups using a single, massive file does not seem ideal for us
04:21 🔗 yipdw delta WARCs are possible
04:21 🔗 yipdw actually I don't need to talk in terms of hypotheticals
04:22 🔗 Nertsy WARC seems extremely useful for the onetime archival of something
04:22 🔗 Nertsy but I am perfectly fine with just taring my data upon request
04:23 🔗 ersi It's also the only option of getting the archived data (possibly from the step where you're sending requests to tumblr) into Internet Archive's Wayback Machine
04:23 🔗 yipdw http://archivebot-prod3.at.ninjawedding.org/main/20141230051538/http://lazerprincess.tumblr.com
04:23 🔗 yipdw that's not a one-time archive
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04:23 🔗 yipdw (TW: suicide notes)
04:24 🔗 yipdw anyway, that's an aggregation of WARCs, which is unfortunately crapping out on me right now because the VPS running it is doing odd stuff
04:24 🔗 DFJustin we've been archiving tumblrs to warc for a couple years now with the archivebot
04:24 🔗 yipdw simulating replay becomes difficult unless you have both the HTTP request and response, and once you have that you might as well just do WARC format
04:25 🔗 Nertsy the thing is this though
04:25 🔗 Nertsy how much storage are you wasting on duplicate data
04:26 🔗 yipdw haven't counted, and so far it hasn't been an issue
04:26 🔗 yipdw you don't have to fetch the site in its entirety
04:26 🔗 yipdw if you track the URLs in each WARC (doable via a WARC index) you can use those as a basis for a delta
04:26 🔗 Nertsy but are you? is it by design to store things multiple times?
04:26 🔗 yipdw http://archivebot-prod3.at.ninjawedding.org/main/*/http://lazerprincess.tumblr.com/
04:26 🔗 yipdw yes
04:28 🔗 yipdw as far as searching goes -- true, WARCs alone don't offer that, but you can index the text and graphics in them by running through each record
04:29 🔗 yipdw Solr, Sphinx, full-text search mechanisms in MySQL/Postgres, similarity search for images, etc
04:29 🔗 Nertsy see but what is the value is wasting storage, losing support (WARC is not as popular as any SQL database), and sacrificing searching thorough posts?
04:29 🔗 yipdw I just linked the value
04:29 🔗 yipdw accessible archives :P
04:29 🔗 yipdw duplicate storage is controllable and it's not that bad
04:30 🔗 yipdw WARC is pretty popular in tools for web archiving, so I guess it depends on your context
04:30 🔗 yipdw and if you want to search posts, dump the WARC responses in an SQL database and add a full-text search index
04:30 🔗 SketchCow Guess which banned person is now messaging me to demand to know why he's being banned
04:30 🔗 DFJustin warc is used by all the big players in web archiving and is a lot more future proof than a random database implementation that will change every version number
04:30 🔗 yipdw we're talking a few GB of overhead
04:30 🔗 yipdw that's negligible
04:30 🔗 SketchCow I do feel like this useful discussion should be in -bs
04:31 🔗 DFJustin the duplicate space thing is an issue especially if you're recrawling the same site a lot, so far we've been taking advantage of archive.org having fuckloads of space
04:31 🔗 Nertsy But I can't afford that amount of storage
04:31 🔗 ersi yipdw: (What's TW?)
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04:31 🔗 Nertsy This is the whole reason why we built out something instead of running HTTrack on a cron
04:31 🔗 DFJustin but there's no reason you can't program a smarter crawler that doesn't re-grab what you already have in a warc
04:32 🔗 DFJustin that's orthogonal to the storage format
04:32 🔗 Nertsy ersi, Trigger Warning
04:33 🔗 pikhq Yeah, WARC's pretty nice in that if you *literally* just have gzip and a WARC file you can make sense of it.
04:33 🔗 ersi Come over to #archiveteam-bs and continue the discussion there ^
04:33 🔗 pikhq (the file format is well supported, which is nice, but it's also *incredibly* future proof to the point that if just about anything from today is readable in the future, it will be.)
04:34 🔗 ersi Come over to #archiveteam-bs and continue the discussion there ^
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04:53 🔗 Nertsy What is this channel for compared to -bs ?
04:53 🔗 SketchCow This is a channel of action.
04:54 🔗 SketchCow This is a channel for when the archive team is needed, for when something has arisen, or an issue needs to be handled.
04:54 🔗 Nertsy Oh... My bad.
04:54 🔗 SketchCow Like a firehouse, when there's no fire, people play cards and bullshit a lot.
04:54 🔗 SketchCow So then we made -bs so all the nerds can go discuss what ifs and what fors.
05:07 🔗 ersi aka Batlight
05:09 🔗 JesseW Trovebox is down to 237 remaining, according to the tracker!
05:09 🔗 SketchCow 700 Walnut Creek CD-ROM sets are now sitting next to me here at my desk.
05:09 🔗 pikhq It is hard to understate how awesome that is.
05:10 🔗 SketchCow https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/613548597951381504
05:10 🔗 pikhq I'm one of those favorites and retweets. :)
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06:30 🔗 vitzli Can I add a file to the existing archive.org item via torrent method?
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07:07 🔗 vitzli progress report: I've made a torrent, uploaded, and Transmission client got connected to me
07:29 🔗 Nemo_bis Good
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08:52 🔗 bisko Hey guys, I have been running the Warrior image for a few days now and all I get is: Tracker rate limiting is active. We don't want to overload the site we're archiving, so we've limited the number of downloads per minute.
08:52 🔗 bisko is this normal?
08:52 🔗 arkiver SketchCow: I'll have look if Halo has any more items to be added
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08:54 🔗 bisko Of course... Just as I wrote the lines above it started downloading things, sorry about that :)
09:03 🔗 Atluxity :)
09:03 🔗 Atluxity bisko: I know its demoralising, but its a luxury problem :)
09:03 🔗 Atluxity we got more firepower than the sites can handle
09:03 🔗 Atluxity if we fire all at once then we get nothing in return
09:04 🔗 bisko Yeah, I get that, done it myself in a previous job of mine (online shops crawling). Better be safe than blocked :)
09:06 🔗 bisko If i choose to "work" on the "ArchiveTeam’s Choice", will the warrior client work optimally or it will be the same as if I chose 1 project? By optimally I mean to "try" to work on several different projects at the same time where there is an opening.
09:07 🔗 signius yes you can choose multiple projects to work on
09:07 🔗 Atluxity ArchiveTeam's Choice is afaik manually decided by one of yours truly
09:10 🔗 signius ah no i given you duff information by the looks of it
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09:11 🔗 arkiver bisko: being blocked is not the issue, it's about the difference between going fast and archiving and doing a DDOS on a website
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09:11 🔗 signius you can manually choose a different project though to one that has more items available
09:12 🔗 arkiver Site owners always know we are archiving when we are and sometimes they block us
09:13 🔗 arkiver When we don't have enough time we run at just under what a site can handle before it crashes
09:13 🔗 arkiver We've had cases where IP's were banned (Twitpic), and we've had cases where owners contacted and helped us by providing lists
09:15 🔗 arkiver Sometimes the shutdown date is *magically* delayed to just after we're done archiving
09:20 🔗 dan- Or brought forwards once they realise they're getting archived
09:20 🔗 arkiver Or that ^
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09:27 🔗 bisko Sheesh, so websites are willingly staying away from being archived :( bad people
09:28 🔗 bisko How can I set the warrior to work on more than 1 project concurrently
09:28 🔗 bisko or should I start 2-3-4 instances?
09:29 🔗 arkiver So one warrior can only work on one project
09:29 🔗 arkiver you'll have to set up multiple warriors if you want to run multiple project at the same time
09:34 🔗 bisko Cool, I will do that when I get home :) That idle internet pipe at home should be filled with something useful during the day!
09:35 🔗 bzc6p arkiver: is that all of halo and trovebox? (queues are empty)
09:35 🔗 arkiver It is all of trovebox
09:35 🔗 arkiver It's not all of halo
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12:52 🔗 zhongfu i've just received an email about compilr.com being shut down on july 31, doesn't seem like anything much so maybe we could just feed it into archivebot?
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16:48 🔗 camelrack Thought I'd drop by to mention something
16:49 🔗 camelrack justin.tv is pending transfer and is now for sale
16:49 🔗 camelrack so someone want to grab the goodbye page and video
16:49 🔗 camelrack scratch the for sale part, dang ads from who.is
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18:23 🔗 bzc6p SketchCow
18:23 🔗 bzc6p I've asked people twice to give feedbacks about the proposed new projects pages layout on the wiki.
18:23 🔗 bzc6p http://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log/archiveteam?date=2015-06-11,Thu&sel=164#l160
18:23 🔗 bzc6p http://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log/archiveteam-bs?date=2015-06-17,Wed&sel=126#l122
18:23 🔗 bzc6p I've received generally positive feedback, and also a few suggestions, most of which I applied more or less. See especially the second link. (For those few that I didn't agree with, I gave explanation why, but didn't get counter-replies.) There were no objections against the basic idea.
18:23 🔗 bzc6p The applied changes are documented appended to the original proposal: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User:Bzc6p/Restructuring_projects_pages
18:23 🔗 bzc6p I think it's time to apply the changes, upon the general consent. Also, tweaks can be made later too, and the whole thing can easily be reverted if necessary.
18:23 🔗 bzc6p But before touching it, I'd like to ask for your approval, as you are the Editor in Chief.
18:30 🔗 Nemo_bis Is there a final preview
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18:31 🔗 bzc6p Nemo_bis: there is a link to the preview in the proposal.
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18:58 🔗 bzc6p Nemo_bis: replied
19:01 🔗 Nemo_bis If a template contains multiple headings, it may be necessary to add "__NOEDITSECTION__" after each heading.
19:02 🔗 Nemo_bis https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words (:[ ; didn't verify)
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19:05 🔗 bzc6p Nemo_bis: I could nowhere on the wiki make __NOEDITSECTION__ work. You could?
19:09 🔗 xmc bzc6p: ok. do it.
19:12 🔗 Nemo_bis bzc6p: I didn't test yet, I'm a fan of section edit links :) but this was just a tangent
19:13 🔗 bzc6p Nemo_bis: I just saw your edits.
19:14 🔗 bzc6p I also have the feeling that you wan't to tell me something but I don't understand. I'm intermediate in wiki editing, but I know you're a wiki master (know you from the Pedia).
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19:17 🔗 Nemo_bis That's not a problem, you did all the work. I will pass at some point with minor fixes if needed
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19:17 🔗 bzc6p Nemo_bis: please do! And thanks!
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20:04 🔗 Start I created an updated version of the wiki's main page here: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User:Start/Main_Page
20:04 🔗 Start I removed the ArchiveTeam News section and replaced Recently Ended Projects with In The Media
20:05 🔗 Start And added the #archiveteam IRC channel to the bottom of the page.
20:05 🔗 Start The old main page could be moved to Main Page/Archive
20:07 🔗 bzc6p Start: Nice! Also, if my restructuring is approved, the "Archives" link under "What is What" should be removed I guess.
20:07 🔗 bzc6p as that would become "Early projects" which would be embedded into Projects.
20:09 🔗 Start I also made some huge additions to Template:Navigation box as well as added navboxes and infoboxes to any pages missing them
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20:12 🔗 Start There's a few pages left which will be added soon
20:18 🔗 JesseW Anyone know anything more about ARCMAJ3? I came across references to it, but it wasn't clear what it was, or what the current status?
20:18 🔗 winr4r Start: good work
20:19 🔗 winr4r Start: are you an admin on the AT wiki
20:19 🔗 Start no
20:22 🔗 winr4r Start: run it by SketchCow
20:22 🔗 winr4r but you've gone a good job imo
20:22 🔗 Start thanks
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20:34 🔗 WubTheCap Love is Over shut down its doors quite quickly. https://img.loveisover.me/
20:34 🔗 WubTheCap All files seem to be 404 on a.loveisover.me
20:34 🔗 WubTheCap When Pomf closed its doors, we received an influx of traffic that my server bandwidth was unable to sustain. So unfortunately, effective immediately, I am closing the doors of LiO Image Hosting. I could upgrade the server, throttle the image hosting, or auto-prune images, but I feel that wouldn't make me or you guys happy, so its probably best just to close my doors so you guys can go find something better for
20:34 🔗 WubTheCap now. Thanks for all your support these last couple of years and I hope we will see each other again.
20:37 🔗 WubTheCap https://twitter.com/theBladeee/status/613885292953608192
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23:56 🔗 JesseW1 Do people think this would be nice to have? https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/seesaw-kit/issues/89

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