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04:25 ๐Ÿ”— wyatt8740 IDK if this is 'archive team' really, but I think it is... did you see this? I hope this cartridge gets dumped. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/07/fabled-sony-nintendo-play-station-prototype-discovered/
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14:27 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib Wyatt, just rename it to .cbz
14:27 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib and upload again
14:29 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib To the people with experience archiving floppies, also SketchCow: how beneficial is it to store magnetic media in a faraday cage, i.e. a grounded aluminium or steel cabinet or copper-meshed wooden closet?
14:30 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib or is a faraday cage overkill?
14:31 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib I'm asking because I have a collection of floppies, and data/audio/video tapes I want to digitize
14:33 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib and this just got added to that collection: https://www.anony.ws/i/2015/07/04/IMG_20150703_220310.jpg
14:35 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib I am contemplating making a dedicated closet because my "retro"-closet already looks like this https://www.anony.ws/i/2015/07/04/IMG_20150621_123816.jpg (dont worry about the DECT set, it hasnt been hooked up since before the magnetic stuff was moved in :p)
14:46 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib anyone?
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15:01 ๐Ÿ”— phillipsj That looks a lot like my floppy storage.
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15:03 ๐Ÿ”— zhongfu i have two boxes of floppies lying around, i should get a floppy reader to archive all of them
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16:12 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib zhongfu: are you going to do just "regular" imaging or raw magnetic flux imaging?
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16:15 ๐Ÿ”— zhongfu regular i guess
16:16 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib also, can anyone point me to notes on properly cataloging storage media?
16:16 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib like, did SketchCow ever write down whether and how he catalogues his CD's and floppies?
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16:33 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib hmmm http://www.naa.gov.au/records-management/agency/preserve/physical-preservation/magnetic-media.aspx
16:33 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib Magnetic media should ideally be stored in closed metal cabinets to provide extra protection against heat and dust. However, if adequate environmental controls are in place, storage on open shelves, in their cases is acceptable. Storage equipment should be sturdy, allow tapes and disks to be stored vertically, and most importantly, be electrically grounded.
16:34 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib do you ground your storage cabinets, SketchCow? Knowing you have a lot of tape and floppy stuff
16:39 ๐Ÿ”— phillipsj How do you ground a wooden shelf?
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17:02 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib phillipsj, by creating a groundable cage inside it, by lining and interconnecting the inner surfaces with a mesh of a conductive material
17:03 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib meshes or sheets
17:03 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib and grounding the meshes/sheets
17:03 ๐Ÿ”— phillipsj Hmm, I was mostly asking a rhetorical question, but that could work.
17:09 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib phillipsj, it's basically constructing a metal closet inside the wooden closet xD
17:09 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib but goddammit
17:11 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib the room I have to my disposal to store this stuff in is an attic room, in an old house, so all the heat rises to that level of the house in all seasons, in winter this is no problem, but in summer it can get over 30 Celsius and 70+% humidity
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17:12 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib the only other room I might have at my disposal is a room that's commonly colder and one floor lower, but has carpet flooring... so that would be a static electricity-laden hell
17:13 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib It's also my parent's house, so I cant just go and rip out the carpet, argh
17:13 ๐Ÿ”— phillipsj My floppy collection is in a basement. (low humidity) (yes there is a carpet there, which is not good for static control)
17:13 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud most important thing is to make sure they get archived- perfect storage is kind of pointless if you never get around to archiving them before they fail completely
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17:17 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib dashcloud: I'm on my own in doing this, so archiving 500+ floppies, 50+ datasettes, ~20 reel-to-reel audiotapes and more video tapes is going to take a little while :P
17:17 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib that's why I am looking fdor proper storage
17:18 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib because this'll robably take a year once I get around to it and up to speed, since I generally can only archive stuff over here in the weekends
17:18 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib probably*
17:20 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib I also still have to obtain more means of reading the stuff, for example: I still don't have a kryoflux or discferret (the development on the latter one also seems to be in limbo right now) and the reel-to-reel I wanted to use for doing the audio tapes recently blew up while I was testing it for the first time in 10 years (freaking capacitors)
17:21 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib so yeah, I want to make sure I can at least store the magnetic media properly, so that -at least- won't be a headache anymore :p
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18:22 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib anyone have suggestions?
18:23 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib I am leaving for a bit, just shout stuff at me here and I'll read it later
18:26 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib another last question I want advice about: In the ideal case, I want to kryoflux/discferret these floppies, I have a working IBM PC XT with a single 5.25-inch floppy drive here, shall I just test see whether that drive reads and use that one to digitize stuff, or shall I ask the kryoflux guys to provide me a drive they selected (I guess the latter is the better option, but also costlier)
18:27 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib I'm a college student with a small budget and not too much experience with legacy magnetic storage media, so I want to know what kind of risks I am taking if I decide to just go with the old drive I have laying around
18:28 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib anyway, I'll be back later, I'll read your angry shouts at my incompetence later ;)
18:28 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib SketchCow, dashcloud ^
18:32 ๐Ÿ”— phillipsj "โ€œCryofluxโ€ is a proprietary trademark process for concentrating fruit juice that
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18:36 ๐Ÿ”— phillipsj http://kryoflux.com/
18:37 ๐Ÿ”— phillipsj I was just going to use an old Pentium.
18:37 ๐Ÿ”— Nemo_bis To fry the floppies?
18:45 ๐Ÿ”— phillipsj I guess the main benefit is being able to copy "copy protected" floppies.
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19:36 ๐Ÿ”— pikhq As well as more unusual floppy formats.
19:37 ๐Ÿ”— pikhq Muad-Dib: *If* your 5.25" drive works well, then I believe that's probably your best bet.
19:39 ๐Ÿ”— phillipsj I guess I should not toss my oldworld powerMac just yet
19:39 ๐Ÿ”— * phillipsj has a few Mac Floppies too
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22:41 ๐Ÿ”— Wyatt Muad-Dib: Is that really the only way? Renaming them in bulk somehow without reuploading would be much preferable. (I went to bed before you said that so it's up over 600 now.)
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22:47 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Mmm, delicious cryoflux
22:47 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow How is everyone? I napped hard.
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22:54 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Wyatt: I can fix this
22:54 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Hold my beer
22:54 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Give me the general way I can find them, and I can do it.
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22:58 ๐Ÿ”— godane SketchCow: i'm uploading 2005 episodes of on the media
22:58 ๐Ÿ”— Wyatt SketchCow: In that case, it may be better to wait a week and do them all at once? ias3upload doesn't seem to be going in order through the metadata.csv, so I have no idea what's done or not at this point.
22:59 ๐Ÿ”— godane i'm also downloading 2009 lifehacker.com articles from its sitemap
22:59 ๐Ÿ”— godane at the same time grabbing koreanet-3/bunan news9 videos
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23:06 ๐Ÿ”— wyatt8740 sketchcow: wait what?
23:06 ๐Ÿ”— wyatt8740 you talking to me?
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23:06 ๐Ÿ”— Wyatt wyatt8740: No, me.
23:06 ๐Ÿ”— wyatt8740 btw me and wyatt are not the same person
23:06 ๐Ÿ”— wyatt8740 alright :P
23:06 ๐Ÿ”— wyatt8740 is your name wyatt IRL too?
23:06 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow OH GREAT
23:06 ๐Ÿ”— Wyatt It is.
23:06 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow OH FUCKING GREAT
23:07 ๐Ÿ”— * SketchCow breaks a pool cue in half and leaves them on the floor.
23:07 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Make it quick
23:07 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCXbib9MahE
23:08 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Wyatt: Just keep going with the uploads.
23:08 ๐Ÿ”— Wyatt It'll be fine as long as we don't collide and cancel each other out.
23:08 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow I'll fix the filename shiznat
23:08 ๐Ÿ”— Wyatt Awesome, thanks.
23:09 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Also, don't use ias3upload after this
23:09 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow use internetarchive
23:09 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow https://pypi.python.org/pypi/internetarchive
23:09 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow SO much better
23:09 ๐Ÿ”— Wyatt Ah, wasn't aware the state of the art had m- oh, python. Okay, I'll have to unfuck that little mess then.
23:10 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Don't sniff.
23:10 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow pip install internetarchive
23:10 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow done
23:12 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Also, Muad-Dib - that was SO -bs
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23:17 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib what was bs?
23:18 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib you cataloging your media, SketchCow ?
23:18 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib :p
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23:31 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow You went off for paragraphs on media cataloging and capturing theory.
23:32 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow That's not a call to action, that's a "let's discuss best practices"
23:32 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow archiveteam is action, archiveteam-bs is discussion
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23:37 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Happy to discuss what you're trying to do, but in -bs
23:58 ๐Ÿ”— Muad-Dib oh, in that manner, I'll be happy to take it to -bs

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