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wvdp |
hallo, i'm looking for a warc file to test an application i'm writing. preferably about 4 mb and containing different types of records. |
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wvdp: You could look here: http://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/item/archiveteam_archivebot_go_20150830100001 |
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JesseW |
This is about a half a MB: https://archive.org/download/archiveteam_archivebot_go_20150830100001/twitter.com-inf-20150830-060528-34f3f-meta.warc.gz |
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Zandro |
that expands to 6-8MB |
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Zandro |
still a better suited sample than what I'd be able to share :P |
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JesseW |
archivebot produces a *lot* of WARCs... |
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JesseW |
I'm still somewhat confused that there isn't a definitive WARC-to-static-local-files transformer available... |
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JesseW |
(or if there is, that I haven't found it yet) |
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Zandro |
agreed, though since it's plaintext it should be trivial to write a parser-splitter |
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wvdp |
i found someting |
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wvdp |
https://archive.org/download/archiveteam_archivebot_go_001/2luxz0kz3lhxnymxhnwz2ky1s-20131010-090331.warc.gz |
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wvdp |
and i vastly overestimated the size of a warc record there are hundreds in here |
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I'm wrong, binary imagedata is stored in the warc as well |
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I have tracked down the solution for our occasional wget-lua documentation compilation issue! |
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joepie91 |
found a workaround, and a patch - the patch certainly works, the workaround presumably does also |
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joepie91 |
the patch is available at https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-wget/2013-06/msg00046.html, and the workaround is to do `make install_sw` instead of `make install`, so that could also be brought into the get-wget-lua.sh script |
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joepie91 |
(will make PR) |
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joepie91 |
hum. yipdw: chfoo: get-wget-lua is not in the README template repo, where should I point my PR at ? |
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er, wait... |
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nevermind the workaround, we'd have to apply the patch, because there's no install step |
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I have a working wget-lua package for Nix! :D |
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aaaaaaaaa |
joepie91: I just use a oneliner to fix the docs: sed -e "s/\(item \)\([0-9]\)/\1\.\2/" ./doc/wget.texi > ./doc/wget.texi.tmp && mv ./doc/wget.texi.tmp ./doc/wget.texi |
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aaaaaaaaa |
in the get-wget-lua.sh file. I believe that fixes the syntax error |
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or at least it stops the complaining, plus docs don't really seem to matter for most AT usage |
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JesseW |
I found a reasonably canonical warc-to-static-files transformer, it's chfoo's warcat too, using the extract command. Now what I'd like it to do is have the wget --convert-links option supported. |
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You could probably whip something up in python or sed or something. |
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I'd advise Python rather than sed. |
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pikhq_ |
Python can more reasonably parse the HTML for URLs. :) |
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aaaaaaaaa |
yeah, I was just spitting something out thinking of regexes, but yeah, an html.parser would probably work better. |
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myself |
Noob question: Once in a while, my ISP will MitM a connection to "inform me" about upcoming network maintenance. It's well-intentioned but of course means I can't run a Warrior. Except: The banner has distinctive text in it.. I feel like there's probably a way to detect that and invalidate my current task and suspend the warrior or something, while still allowing me to contribute the other 99% of the t |
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myself |
ime. However, this might be a lot of work, and it might be more sensible to just not run an instance over here. Forgive me if this is an oft-recurring topic, but I'm curious what the thoughts are on this issue, if it's come up before. |
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pikhq_ |
myself: My thoughts: make a lot of noise at them. |
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MrRadar |
Aside from convincing your ISP to stop doing that probably the best way to work around it would be a VPN |
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myself |
I've already opted out of their DNS-bullshit, I'll see if I can opt out of the HTTP thing too. But yeah. If I want to go the VPN route I'd just run the warrior instance on the machine that would run my VPN endpoint and avoid handling all the data twice. :P |
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pikhq_ |
Specifically, mention that it's a violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and advise that you are considering contacting the appropriate authorities. |
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pikhq_ |
(seriously, that is a damned *attack*) |
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myself |
Heh. If I can get chapter and verse for that, I'll gleefully go that route. |
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pikhq_ |
18 USC SS 1030 |
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pikhq_ |
It's a fucking crime. |
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myself |
hmm, under a(5)A? |
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myself |
that'd be... hazy... |
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pikhq_ |
No more hazy than a lot of the other cases |
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pikhq_ |
Also, you're not necessarily having to actually *do* this, you're having to make them afraid enough they back down. |
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pikhq_ |
(though honestly, I'm pretty sure a MITM attack on your traffic would count.) |
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myself |
Short story: Technical measures not practical (beacause finding text in http is hard or something), yelling at provider is the only means worth considerig. Got it, thanks. |
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pikhq_ |
I'd consider it higher priority than technical measures, because *this is frankly offensive*. |
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yipdw |
myself: it's easier to not run an instance if you know you're being MITMed |
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myself |
Right, that's what I've been doing so far. I'll keep doing that. |
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yipdw |
thanks |
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pikhq_ |
I'm not even kidding about the yelling at the ISP thing though. You might *actually want to give them chapter and verse* and at least watch 'em squirm. |
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myself |
In the long term, I still have a feeling that weird-shit-detection code could add resilience to the whole mess, say a load-balancer shits itself or whatever -- a means of recognizing that the crawl just returned 50 identical-and-very-short pages might make for better results in lots of circumstances, in addition to the situation of ISP malfeasance (that some warrior owners might not realize applies to |
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myself |
their connections too). |
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myself |
but I'm aware that ideas are not the same as submitting patches, so... nevermind I guess. |
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pikhq_ |
True, not sure exactly what to do but it's probably worth figuring out some way to deal with hackers on your network, erm I mean, bad ISPs. |
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yipdw |
this is more suitable for #warrior |
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matthusby |
Any projects other then url team running? |
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zhongfu |
matthusby: don't think so |
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joepie91 |
this was asked yesterday, and then somebody responded "yes", iirc |
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but idk what projects |
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:p |
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SketchCow |
Nothing major, yet |
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MrPenguin |
Hello. |
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MrPenguin |
I don't know if that's the right channel to propose a new project, but I'd like to suggest backing up http://www.drdobbs.com/ |
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myself |
Crap. Are they going away too? |
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MrPenguin |
It appears to have a lot of useful programming-related info, but has shut down for new articles |
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MrPenguin |
Yeah, apparently ads can't finance it |
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MrPenguin |
Farewell article is on http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/farewell-dr-dobbs/240169421 |
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MrPenguin |
They said that "The present content will remain available indefinitely", but I think it's better to back it up just in case |
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myself |
I'm new here but tend to agree. |
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MrPenguin |
Yeah, I'm just kind of browsing through the Archive Team wiki and generally approve of the effort, but can't contribute unfortunately |
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MrPenguin: yes. that needs backing up. please hold |
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aaaaaaaaa |
That may have been archivebotted |
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joepie91 |
MrPenguin: myself: put it into archivebot: http://dashboard.at.ninjawedding.org/ |
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arkiver |
yeah, that site would be ok for archivebot |
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arkiver |
:) |
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joepie91 |
if you see it getting stuck on stuff like a calendar or permalinks, please let me know |
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joepie91 |
just highlight me and I'll fix it |
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joepie91 |
(I didn't see anything obviously loopy from a quick glance around) |
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joepie91 |
cc arkiver |
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arkiver |
yeah |
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arkiver |
website looks ok |
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aaaaaaaaa |
FYI, that was last grabbed in december '14 |
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arkiver |
how large was the grab? |
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aaaaaaaaa |
I'll do the math, hold on |
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aaaaaaaaa |
just over 10 GB |
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aaaaaaaaa |
mostly text, so probably compresses well despite the size |
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joepie91: Thanks :) So the mirroring is running now? That's great. |
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MrPenguin: yeah |
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myself smacks a Staples button |
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heh, maybe you should wait until the job is done before you call it easy |
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MrPenguin |
The ArchiveBot beta console looks quite good |
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joepie91 |
aaaaaaaaa: pft. after Blip, everything's easy |
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joepie91 |
:P |
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MrPenguin |
Wait, so the ArchiveBot also archives links on immediately "adjacent" sites too, I mean first-degree links to other domains? |
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joepie91 |
MrPenguin: yep |
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MrPenguin |
I didn't know that:) |
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I thought it only does the mirroring on the destination site |
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aaaaaaaaa |
You can explicitly tell it to do that too, and not do the links that aim off site. Most web scrapers have a setting like that. |
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I have a question. For the purposes of archiving a single site with no off-site links, which is better - wget, ArchiveBot or HTTrack? The website in question is an "Index of/"-style site with no JavaScript or anything like that. |
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httrack doesn't produce warc so that's out |
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DFJustin |
wget or wpull should work equally well, archivebot is basically a big wrapper for wpull that you might not need if it's just a single simple grab |
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I don't really need WARC, I just mostly want to have a mirror of this site on my local drive with least space. I'm mainly after the site contents, so integrity is not a big consideration for me in this case. |
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MrPenguin |
Or versioning really, the website doesn't look like it's changing often |
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Sanqui |
https://github.com/ludios/grab-site |
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anyone know where I can find an archive of this page? someone else grabbed the TLD and added a bullshit robots.txt to prevent people seeing the archive http://gyrolabs.com/2006/09/25/jediconcentrate-mod/ |
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*grabbed the domain |
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wyatt8740 |
not the TLD |
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wyatt8740: you just need the ZIPs? |
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joepie91 |
wyatt8740: if so: https://transfer.sh/%28/JCpuf/jediconcentrate-options.zip,/Gy68e/jediconcentrate-options-source.zip%29.zip |
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joepie91: I guess that works, but I was hoping for the webpage itself and the info on it |
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wyatt8740: moment |
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wyatt8740: there's not much content on it, fwiw |
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wyatt8740 |
I know absolutely nothing about it and want to :\ |
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wyatt8740: want the blog post contents or also the comments? |
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saw a link to it, followd, it was dead |
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wyatt8740 |
if the comments are useful, sure |
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wyatt8740 |
otherwise contents are good enough I guess |
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joepie91 |
wyatt8740: http://sprunge.us/QGKM |
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joepie91 |
:) |
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wyatt8740: not much, as you can see |
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wyatt8740 |
joepie91: thanks a lot :D |
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joepie91 |
yw :P |
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DFJustin |
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/08/speech-enables-speech-china-takes-aim-its-coders |