#archiveteam 2016-02-26,Fri

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00:02 πŸ”— dashcloud storage primarily- flickr is probably the largest photo site in the world (facebook is probably bigger, but it's not a photo site first)
00:06 πŸ”— SketchCow ------------------------- INTERNET ARCHIVE READ-ONLY FOR A WHILE
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00:07 πŸ”— dashcloud hope it's going to be okay!
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00:10 πŸ”— xmc it's planned maintenance
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00:21 πŸ”— qwebirc89 Hi
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00:22 πŸ”— snape Salutations.
00:26 πŸ”— Fletcher g'day qwebirc89
00:27 πŸ”— HCross2 Hello!
00:27 πŸ”— qwebirc89 So I am new here. My real name is "Mark Graham"
00:27 πŸ”— qwebirc89 Hi Harry
00:27 πŸ”— HCross2 Hello
00:27 πŸ”— xmc you should pick a different nickname than qwebirc89 though
00:28 πŸ”— xmc we get a lot of people with default names in here
00:28 πŸ”— arkiver Hi Mark!
00:28 πŸ”— qwebirc89 yes... that will be my 2nd task (first task was getting connected)
00:28 πŸ”— xmc type /nick newname
00:28 πŸ”— xmc anyway
00:28 πŸ”— qwebirc89 is now known as MarkGraha
00:28 πŸ”— HCross2 EFnet has a nick length limit which you just hit
00:28 πŸ”— xmc oh you only get 9 letters
00:29 πŸ”— MarkGraha is now known as MGraham
00:29 πŸ”— arkiver SketchCow announced you would come here
00:29 πŸ”— HCross2 yes
00:29 πŸ”— xmc who is MGraham? some kind of celebrity?
00:29 πŸ”— MGraham Does anyone use a Mac client (e.g. Textual?)
00:29 πŸ”— arkiver Nettalk here
00:30 πŸ”— MGraham There is a banjo player named Mark Graham but that is not me
00:31 πŸ”— arkiver You're the director of the Wayback Machine if I understood that correctly
00:31 πŸ”— MGraham I work at the Internet Archive in SF
00:31 πŸ”— xmc ah, spiffy
00:31 πŸ”— xmc hello, friend
00:31 πŸ”— HCross2 and the target of many terabytes of news
00:31 πŸ”— xmc we give you piles and piles of crap from the net
00:31 πŸ”— HCross2 amongst other things
00:31 πŸ”— MGraham Yes... I am working with a fantastic team on all things Wayback
00:32 πŸ”— MGraham I LOVE all the crap you give us!
00:32 πŸ”— xmc :D
00:32 πŸ”— arkiver :D
00:32 πŸ”— DFJustin ALL of it? ;P
00:32 πŸ”— MGraham And we are work to keep it safe and make it easier for people to access it
00:32 πŸ”— arkiver So we have the newgrabber project, FTP project, warrior projects and upcoming videobot
00:32 πŸ”— arkiver Yeah
00:32 πŸ”— HCross2 we have a lot
00:32 πŸ”— MGraham I am here (in this channel) to learn from you
00:32 πŸ”— DFJustin and of course archivebot
00:33 πŸ”— HCross2 a lot more coming your way
00:33 πŸ”— HCross2 arkiver: flickr too
00:33 πŸ”— MGraham And, to offer any help I may be able to offer and/or that may be desired
00:33 πŸ”— arkiver Yes, SketchCow gave us the green light to get all free pictures from flickr
00:33 πŸ”— arkiver Nice!
00:34 πŸ”— MGraham Keep it all coming!
00:34 πŸ”— arkiver So we've had some project which currently can't run in the wayback machine
00:34 πŸ”— arkiver one of the largest in size if Blip
00:34 πŸ”— arkiver is*
00:34 πŸ”— MGraham One of the areas I am most interested in is "news".
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00:34 πŸ”— arkiver Ok
00:34 πŸ”— Fletcher sets mode: +o MGraham
00:35 πŸ”— HCross2 yea, the source of many hours of code/server fire
00:35 πŸ”— arkiver Currently newsgrabber is down due to a small rewrite to use multiple servers
00:35 πŸ”— MGraham There are 3 "news" projects related to the IA. GDELT, "top_news" and your (Harry) newsgrabber
00:35 πŸ”— HCross2 well, its both mine and arkiver's - he writes the code, I run the grabber
00:36 πŸ”— arkiver MGraham: would you like a little intro on how newsgrabber does it's grabs?
00:36 πŸ”— MGraham Yes!
00:36 πŸ”— arkiver So 'newsbuddy' can be found here https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/NewsGrabber
00:36 πŸ”— MGraham Of course I have read your wiki page
00:36 πŸ”— MGraham and that page as well
00:37 πŸ”— arkiver Page with supported services as well? https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/NewsGrabber/tree/master/services
00:37 πŸ”— HCross2 and more are being added all the tinme
00:37 πŸ”— HCross2 time
00:38 πŸ”— HCross2 quite often, a load of sites from one country are tipped in due to things going on in that country at the time (like the Taiwan earthquake)
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00:41 πŸ”— MGraham One question I have is does it make sense to have 3 news crawling projects that don't "talk" to each other... or might it be better to pool our efforts/resources/time into 1
00:42 πŸ”— HCross I think that sounds like a good idea, ensuring we dont have any overlap
00:42 πŸ”— HCross Do the crawls that the IA do have such fine control over how often they crawl, like we do?
00:42 πŸ”— arkiver yeah, problem is these 3 crawls operate very differently
00:43 πŸ”— HCross we aim to get in, as soon as the article hits the site
00:43 πŸ”— HCross to track if there are any changes
00:43 πŸ”— HCross to the story (so say the newsagency makes a mistake)
00:43 πŸ”— arkiver GDELT uses lists, top_news does crawls up to 5 (?) links deep and newsbuddy does scrapes for new articles on webpages
00:44 πŸ”— arkiver We can provide lists of URLs crawled by newsbuddy
00:45 πŸ”— arkiver Before starting a grab newsbuddies lists can be deduplicated from GDELT lists
00:45 πŸ”— arkiver I'm not sure though how we can get top_news into that picture
00:45 πŸ”— DFJustin who should I talk to about bugs in wayback's handling of robots.txt files
00:48 πŸ”— SketchCow I had a brilliant idea about that
00:48 πŸ”— HCross Go on
00:49 πŸ”— SketchCow On a case by case basis, an optional clickthrough screen is added.
00:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Explains this is a historical snapshot and unrelated to the site.
00:50 πŸ”— SketchCow You have to agree to this, then you can see the old crap
00:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Make it opt-in
00:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Why am I not running everything
00:50 πŸ”— DFJustin I'm not even talking about change of ownership stuff just straight up it should be allowed according to the robots.txt but it locks you out anyway
00:52 πŸ”— arkiver MGraham: We did a partial grab of Google Code. I'm in contact with the people behind Google Code. Our user agent will be whitelisted, so we can continue the grab of Google Code
00:52 πŸ”— arkiver Wayback Machine will have a full copy of Google Code
00:53 πŸ”— arkiver (except the source code pages, as those can be found in the repo that's up for download)
00:53 πŸ”— xmc :D
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01:06 πŸ”— DFJustin I'm heading out so here are some examples
01:06 πŸ”— DFJustin should be allowed by the Allow: directive https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920433
01:06 πŸ”— DFJustin the robots.txt is just an internal server error page http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.nintendometal.com/*
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01:16 πŸ”— DexRemoun hallo
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01:18 πŸ”— Fletcher hello DexRemoun
01:18 πŸ”— DexRemoun was geht
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01:19 πŸ”— DexRemoun was das fΓΌr ner chat..?
01:19 πŸ”— DexRemoun was ist das fΓΌr ner chat
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01:19 πŸ”— arkiver Please talk in English
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02:11 πŸ”— MGraham Sorry... I had to step away from my keyboard but am back... but only long enough to say I am heading home (Half Moon Bay). I will follow-up with you via email Harry. Thanks!
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03:11 πŸ”— dashcloud SketchCow: any thoughts on how to handle multi-episode DOS shareware games? There's some that had the registered version released as freeware, so I'd like to get them up on IA if they aren't already. I'm thinking one item per episode, with links in the description pointing to the other episodes.
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03:53 πŸ”— SketchCow yes.
03:53 πŸ”— SketchCow exactly.
04:00 πŸ”— dashcloud okay- thanks.
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07:15 πŸ”— SketchCow Small note: Apparently I didn't re-run the "Send Archivebot output" watchman script when the machine last rebooted.
07:15 πŸ”— SketchCow So Archivebot's being a little..... cranky
07:17 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm now finally running it. The backlog is 1.8tb
07:18 πŸ”— JesseW what's a terabyte or 0.8 between friends, really?
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09:41 πŸ”— arkiver We haven't talked with Mark Graham about other projects
09:41 πŸ”— arkiver Some that need some special javascript playback from the wayback machine
09:41 πŸ”— arkiver or the FTP project
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14:03 πŸ”— bzc6p yipdw chfoo: The tracker has been down since today 05:53 UTC
14:03 πŸ”— jut Any idea when it will be back?
14:04 πŸ”— bzc6p When one of the aforementioned tracker operators have a chance to look at it.
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14:28 πŸ”— Malik hello
14:29 πŸ”— Malik What about the site http://modsonline.com
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14:45 πŸ”— xmc sorry for the outage, tracker should be up
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15:26 πŸ”— bsmith095 anyone want a stupidly rare old nick tape, that i cvant seem to rip for the life of me
15:27 πŸ”— bsmith095 its a cassette, so i feel extra stupid
15:29 πŸ”— bsmith095 i'm getting feedback, huge bursts of static one the line, inconsistent volume, basically everything that can screw up a recording, all in this one stupid tape!
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15:31 πŸ”— snape decaying remains of an alleged former tape, it sounds like.
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15:34 πŸ”— bsmith095 snape: seriously i will mail this thing to you
15:35 πŸ”— bsmith095 i've been googling, it doesnt seem to exist anywhere, i just want it saved.
15:37 πŸ”— snape Unfortunately, I know next to nothing about video transfer. :/
15:37 πŸ”— bsmith095 snape: audio cassette
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15:44 πŸ”— bsmith095 SketchCow: do you still accept donations by mail
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16:23 πŸ”— HCross http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk finally gone :(
16:27 πŸ”— LastNinja :( I thought they would have at least pulled the plug at midnight
16:28 πŸ”— LastNinja HCross - did you manage to grab any of the site?
16:28 πŸ”— HCross LastNinja, most of .co.uk is down
16:28 πŸ”— HCross 18<arkiver18> We actually got a lot more then expected
16:28 πŸ”— HCross 18<arkiver18> almsot all .co.uk groups
16:28 πŸ”— HCross 18<arkiver18> and some discussions
16:28 πŸ”— HCross 18<arkiver18> the first page of every discussion thread is also already saved in the group grabs
16:29 πŸ”— LastNinja wow, that is great :)
16:29 πŸ”— HCross "We are opening a new free service called Liife.com" - estimated lifetime, 15 years
16:29 πŸ”— LastNinja I have been working on it too, being quite selfish and getting the groups that were relevant to myself and family
16:29 πŸ”— arkiver If their site was a bit faster we would have saved everything
16:29 πŸ”— xmc HCross: you mean liifetime
16:30 πŸ”— HCross ye
16:30 πŸ”— LastNinja yeah, I found it to be really slow too
16:31 πŸ”— HCross LastNinja, we were hitting them hard
16:31 πŸ”— HCross by "them" I mean their single windows server
16:32 πŸ”— LastNinja how long had you guys been at it for? I mentioned it to SketchCow when i saw the announcement, but have been travelliing around so didn't get the chance to come in here and exchange notes =)
16:33 πŸ”— HCross pretty much since the annoucementr
16:33 πŸ”— HCross announcement
16:34 πŸ”— jut Was it realy a single Windows server?
16:34 πŸ”— LastNinja great :) I went manually first to get full size images from assetstorage.co.uk for the groups i was interested in, which didnt take long. I had problems getting the fullsize images though
16:34 πŸ”— HCross jut, it was, and it was in the top of scotland and slow
16:34 πŸ”— LastNinja problems with ripping the size and getting the fullsize
16:35 πŸ”— LastNinja cant type today! problems ripping full size images i should say
16:35 πŸ”— MrRadar jut: I think the mentioned at one point the site was running on Classic ASP code nobody really understood anymore which is why they were shutting the site down
16:35 πŸ”— HCross LastNinja, you should have come in and told us, then we could have added them
16:37 πŸ”— LastNinja i have got the ones from my groups - it was that bloody 'fullscreen' feature they had - not a direct link so my automation missed it, hence the manual approach
16:39 πŸ”— LastNinja well, now I'm here, I shall hang around and see what use I can be in the future =)
16:39 πŸ”— MrRadar You can alwasy run a Warrior VM instance
16:40 πŸ”— MrRadar http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Warrior
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17:05 πŸ”— bsmith093 SketchCow:is there any way to change the identifier of an item? I accidentally mixed up id and title https://archive.org/details/Side1_20160226
17:06 πŸ”— snape You can do that by editing the metadata via the website, I believe.
17:06 πŸ”— arkiver No
17:07 πŸ”— arkiver Not the identifier as far as I know
17:09 πŸ”— SketchCow Tell me what it was and what it should be and I can do it.
17:09 πŸ”— SketchCow snape is wrong but oh so cute.
17:09 πŸ”— bsmith093 https://archive.org/details/Side1_20160226 that item, switch the id to the title. thanks
17:10 πŸ”— bsmith093 SketchCow: https://archive.org/details/Side1_20160226 that item, switch the id to the title. thanks
17:10 πŸ”— * snape is usually wrong before noon, alas; not a morning person
17:11 πŸ”— * LastNinja slides snape a bucket of coffee
17:12 πŸ”— * bsmith093 slpas snape repeatedly across the face "wake up already"
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17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow CCP, the makers of the game EVE Online, announced yesterday afternoon that
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow they were taking their game wiki offline as of Monday, February 29th.
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow Announcement URL:
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/evelopedia
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow -shutdown-2016-02-29-09-00/
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow Wiki Location: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Main_Page
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow This is annoying for a number of reasons, not least of which is the very
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow short notice being given. There are a lot of articles that contain lore and
17:13 πŸ”— * bsmith093 gives SketchCow an internet high five
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow historical information about the game on the wiki that are not written up
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow any place else. They have given players an option to download a .sql file
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow that has some of the data, but give its small size, it doesn't seem like
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow there is much data there. Also, not sure what most people are going to be
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow able to do with a .sql file.
17:13 πŸ”— MrRadar The Eve wiki is already in ArchiveBot
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow I went to the Internet Archive and checked the Wayback Machine to see if it
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow was archiving the Wiki. It has been... sort of. It has saved the
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow organizational hierarchy, but when you drill down to actual articles, those
17:13 πŸ”— SketchCow Emergency Wiki grab. Who can do it.
17:14 πŸ”— SketchCow bsmith093: So you want the ID to be NickSongsFromthe90s?
17:14 πŸ”— bsmith093 SketchCow:yes, please
17:14 πŸ”— arkiver wiki is loading very slow for me
17:14 πŸ”— HCross isnt it in ArchiveBot
17:14 πŸ”— arkiver yes it is
17:15 πŸ”— SketchCow bsmith093: https://archive.org/details/NickSongsFromthe90s
17:15 πŸ”— arkiver with external links though
17:15 πŸ”— bsmith093 SketchCow:thanks
17:15 πŸ”— phuzion Is anyone grabbing the eve wiki yet? If not, I'll get a grab started
17:16 πŸ”— MrRadar It's in archivebot, but a standalone grab would probably be a good idea too
17:16 πŸ”— SketchCow Push it to the front. Full priority.
17:16 πŸ”— LastNinja i'm having a go at grabbing the eve wiki right now
17:16 πŸ”— phuzion SketchCow: worth it to hit it with wikiteam tools too?
17:17 πŸ”— LastNinja but I dont trust myself to make a good job of it :)
17:17 πŸ”— SketchCow xmc: The Software Heritage Institute of France would like a copy of Gitorious. I would suggest you give them one.
17:17 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes, I want a Wikiteam grab here.
17:17 πŸ”— SketchCow We want nothing left to chance.
17:17 πŸ”— xmc already in my email :)
17:18 πŸ”— MrRadar LastNinja: you should probably use the mediawiki ignoreset if you're using grab-site, or otherwise use the same regexes it uses to reject useless URLs: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/ArchiveBot/blob/master/db/ignore_patterns/mediawiki.json
17:19 πŸ”— MrRadar Mediawikis generate an exponentially huge number of largely useless derived pages without aggressive trimming
17:19 πŸ”— phuzion LastNinja: What URL are you using for the API?
17:19 πŸ”— SketchCow xmc: Great
17:24 πŸ”— LastNinja MrRadar thanks :-) I shall check that once i get back from dinner. Thanks for the pointer
17:25 πŸ”— phuzion SketchCow: Bad news, looks like they hide their API from the world, which is stupid.
17:25 πŸ”— arkiver yeah, we can't do a grab with the wiki external URLs grab
17:26 πŸ”— arkiver phuzion: so wikiteam also can't do a grab right?
17:26 πŸ”— phuzion arkiver: Unless I can figure out a way to hit the API
17:27 πŸ”— phuzion Hitting the API gets a 500 Internal Server Error
17:28 πŸ”— phuzion Soooooooooo, I dunno what to do short of archivebotting the thing, since wikiteam tools require API access.
17:30 πŸ”— SketchCow Do what it takes however it takes.
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17:37 πŸ”— arkiver http://warctozip.archive.org/ is down
17:38 πŸ”— SketchCow And has been for over a year.
17:38 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm going to get it back up
17:38 πŸ”— arkiver Thanks!
17:38 πŸ”— noahc_ Thanks so much @SketchCow
17:50 πŸ”— noahc_ @SketchCow, Do you have a rough ETA? If not, that's cool too.
17:50 πŸ”— SketchCow It's sitting in my inbox and I'm dumb as shit
17:50 πŸ”— SketchCow So no idea.
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17:52 πŸ”— noahc_ Oh, okay. Thanks.
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18:00 πŸ”— HCross SketchCow, copy of https://www.youtube.com/user/AlJazeeraAmerica/videos coming your way soon
18:02 πŸ”— SketchCow Thanks
18:08 πŸ”— SketchCow How much of Friends Reunited did we get?
18:09 πŸ”— arkiver We got most of the groups of the .co.uk domain
18:09 πŸ”— arkiver we did not get single users
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18:11 πŸ”— arkiver though most (all maybe) of the pictures and comments are made in groups by users and we did get all of that
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18:22 πŸ”— SketchCow I won't make hay of it
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18:25 πŸ”— arkiver If the website didn't run on an old slow server we could have saved more
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18:38 πŸ”— Start It would be nice if we could get an archive of BetaArchive
18:38 πŸ”— Start They have 24.32 TB of software
18:39 πŸ”— Start Unfortunately, mirroring them is a pain in the ass
18:40 πŸ”— Start You have to be registered and have enough forum activity to gain FTP access
18:40 πŸ”— Start And once you do, there's a 50GB/day limit on how much you can download
18:41 πŸ”— Start Not to mention BetaArchive accounts are IP locked
18:42 πŸ”— SketchCow Reach out to them about mirroring at Internet Archive
18:42 πŸ”— SketchCow Front door
18:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Also, a lot of their "abandonware" is still we're hosting at the Archive
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21:49 πŸ”— icedice http://blog.8tracks.com/2016/02/12/a-change-in-our-international-streaming/
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