#archiveteam 2016-02-27,Sat

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BnA-Robindid myvip shutdown? [00:10]
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SimpBrainpossibly down
will be back, site is unstable
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JesseWCould someone try going to http://a.nf and let me know if it's down for them? http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/a.nf says it's down, but more confirmation is welcome. [04:37]
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xmcappears down from here, though i may have the same route as you [04:42]
dxrtNo good here either. [04:42]
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zhongfudown here too [04:48]
JesseWthanks to all three of you
it was alive in december -- shame we missed it :-(
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LastNinjaphuzion, arkiver : How are things going with the eve online wiki? (good afternoon everyone too! =) ) [13:57]
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HCrossComplete copy of NerdCubed coming the IA's way soon, hes doing a channel reboot so things could be lost [14:24]
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willhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35670201
^ FriendsReunited shut down article
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MrRadarIt looks like the EVE Online wiki Archivebot job crashed. I grabbed it with wpull locally and that has finished
LastNinja ^^^
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bsmith093MrRadar:so how big is the eve wiki? [18:18]
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balrogMrRadar: what type of wiki is it?
if it's mediawiki a wikiteam tools grab would be useful
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dashcloudI think someone tried that, and the API isn't exposed, and so the tools weren't of much use [18:26]
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MrRadarbsmith093: The .warc.gz file I have is 1.9 gigs with 171504 URLs saved
balrog: It's a mediawiki, but we figured out yesterday that they disabled the Mediawiki API
So the wikiteam tools aren't useful
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xmcD: assholes [19:24]
balrogMrRadar: the path is at https://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/api.php but it's hard to say
did you find that URL?
yep, returns nil
so, disabled :<
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BurakCan someone please help me with wget and IA? [19:34]
MrRadarBurak: What do you want to know? [19:34]
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SketchCowSKY.EXE [19:49]
Nemo_bisMrRadar: you can run dumpgenerator.py without API too
yep https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Special:Export/Main_Page
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MrRadarI'm not involved in Wikiteam, I'm just reporting what the discussion was yesterday [19:55]
Nemo_bisMrRadar: so you're not an eve wiki user? [19:56]
MrRadarNo [19:56]
Nemo_bisok, I'll do the dump then [19:57]
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MrRadarWhat's the best way to upload WARCs to the IA?
(In terms of categorizing, tagging, etc)
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Nemo_bisMrRadar: set mediatype "web", at a minimum
dumpgenerator.py is happily proceeding, I should push the simple patch I made to make it work
In other news, I really really sick of https://urllib3.readthedocs.org/en/latest/security.html#insecureplatformwarning in fedora 21
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Nemo_bisOh our source was SketchCow who reported http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/evelopedia
Whatever then, the users will find the good news in archive.org. :)
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SketchCowI got some very sad users
Mailed me
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SimpBrainoh dear [20:35]
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JesseWMMovie: could you please try and fix your client? It's been bouncing on and off a lot lately.
SketchCow: The sad users who mailed you were talking about the EVE Online wiki shutting down, I presume?
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xmcyou live in a glass house, friend [20:53]
JesseWyeah, I know that. :-/
I *hope* it's not quite as often -- but it probably is.
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MrRadarNah, MMovie's connection is definitely worse than anyone else who is here regularly [20:54]
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JesseWJesseW this is at least prompting me to look into ZNC as an option [20:56]
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Nemo_bisSketchCow, MrRadar, a quick dump is at https://archive.org/details/wiki-wikieveonlinecom_wikien now
A standard one will follow in due course
"Quick" means that I just pasted 30k lines into https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Special:Export and downloaded a 1130 MiB XML file in a single request
Few web applications, if any, allow such a thing other than MediaWiki :P
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Nemo_bishttps://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVElopedia:Copyrights is total rubbish
"You may not modify, publish, transmit, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or in any way exploit any of the Content, in whole or in part." Suure, so how can people even click "edit"? :)
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Atluxitylol [22:09]
snapeNemo_bis, please. "You agree not to create or establish, or direct any other person to create or establish: (i) a hyperlink, including but not limited to any deep link, to any page or location on the Web Site" [22:13]
JesseWIt doesn't mention the word "wiki" anywhere on the page. It looks like they just cut-n-pasted some form applicable to static sites (and forums) and pasted it on to a wiki without thinking it through. [22:14]
Nemo_bissnape: heh
JesseW: yes, clearly so
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JesseW(applicable is stretching it, considering the "you may not link to us" part...) [22:14]
Nemo_bisProbably was copied from a website where they put their videogames up for download
(is that a videogames website?)
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JesseWI think? [22:15]
snapeVideo game, way of life, dangerous cult, new religious movement, pyramid scheme... [22:19]
Nemo_bisNemo_bis just archives and moves on [22:21]
MrRadarYeah, EVE is one of the largest MMOs and its players tend to be very hardcore [22:22]
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snapeTOS thing dates to 2007, from their forums, FWIW. community.eveonline.com/support/policies/website-terms-of-use/ [22:28]
Nemo_bisThat TOS is bad enough to cause trouble to anyone who wanted to resurrect the wiki.
However, if the current sysadmins are shutting down the company (are they?) and if the wiki's users don't really hate each other, trouble is unlikely to materialise.
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snapeOurs is not to wonder why, ours is to archive (or try) [22:32]
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Nemo_bisLovely that this URL still works http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/53732.stm [22:56]
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SimpBrainbbc do a good job of keeping old news items [22:59]
HCrossand newsbuddy does a good job of archiving them [22:59]
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johtsoIs there any way to tell if a youtube stream is being archived?
and does archivebot have a way of capturing a youtube stream?
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MrRadarNo and no as far as I'm aware
You can use youtube-dl to archive a stream in progress, but that will only capture the stream's history up to the point where you run youtube-dl
It doesn't handle progressively downloading new content as the stream goes on
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johtsoargh, that's a shame [23:39]
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