#archiveteam 2016-02-27,Sat

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00:25 🔗 SimpBrain will be back, site is unstable
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04:37 🔗 JesseW Could someone try going to http://a.nf and let me know if it's down for them? http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/a.nf says it's down, but more confirmation is welcome.
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04:42 🔗 xmc appears down from here, though i may have the same route as you
04:42 🔗 dxrt No good here either.
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04:48 🔗 zhongfu down here too
04:48 🔗 JesseW thanks to all three of you
04:48 🔗 JesseW it was alive in december -- shame we missed it :-(
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13:57 🔗 LastNinja phuzion, arkiver : How are things going with the eve online wiki? (good afternoon everyone too! =) )
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14:24 🔗 HCross Complete copy of NerdCubed coming the IA's way soon, hes doing a channel reboot so things could be lost
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14:54 🔗 will http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35670201
14:54 🔗 will ^ FriendsReunited shut down article
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17:52 🔗 MrRadar It looks like the EVE Online wiki Archivebot job crashed. I grabbed it with wpull locally and that has finished
17:52 🔗 MrRadar LastNinja ^^^
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18:18 🔗 bsmith093 MrRadar:so how big is the eve wiki?
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18:23 🔗 balrog MrRadar: what type of wiki is it?
18:23 🔗 balrog if it's mediawiki a wikiteam tools grab would be useful
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18:26 🔗 dashcloud I think someone tried that, and the API isn't exposed, and so the tools weren't of much use
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19:18 🔗 MrRadar bsmith093: The .warc.gz file I have is 1.9 gigs with 171504 URLs saved
19:18 🔗 MrRadar balrog: It's a mediawiki, but we figured out yesterday that they disabled the Mediawiki API
19:18 🔗 MrRadar So the wikiteam tools aren't useful
19:24 🔗 xmc D: assholes
19:27 🔗 balrog MrRadar: the path is at https://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/api.php but it's hard to say
19:27 🔗 balrog did you find that URL?
19:27 🔗 balrog yep, returns nil
19:27 🔗 balrog so, disabled :<
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19:34 🔗 Burak Can someone please help me with wget and IA?
19:34 🔗 MrRadar Burak: What do you want to know?
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19:49 🔗 SketchCow SKY.EXE
19:54 🔗 Nemo_bis MrRadar: you can run dumpgenerator.py without API too
19:55 🔗 Nemo_bis yep https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Special:Export/Main_Page
19:55 🔗 MrRadar I'm not involved in Wikiteam, I'm just reporting what the discussion was yesterday
19:56 🔗 Nemo_bis MrRadar: so you're not an eve wiki user?
19:56 🔗 MrRadar No
19:57 🔗 Nemo_bis ok, I'll do the dump then
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19:57 🔗 MrRadar What's the best way to upload WARCs to the IA?
19:57 🔗 MrRadar (In terms of categorizing, tagging, etc)
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20:06 🔗 Nemo_bis MrRadar: set mediatype "web", at a minimum
20:07 🔗 Nemo_bis dumpgenerator.py is happily proceeding, I should push the simple patch I made to make it work
20:08 🔗 Nemo_bis In other news, I really really sick of https://urllib3.readthedocs.org/en/latest/security.html#insecureplatformwarning in fedora 21
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20:12 🔗 Nemo_bis Oh our source was SketchCow who reported http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/evelopedia
20:12 🔗 Nemo_bis Whatever then, the users will find the good news in archive.org. :)
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20:22 🔗 SketchCow I got some very sad users
20:22 🔗 SketchCow Mailed me
20:35 🔗 SimpBrain oh dear
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20:52 🔗 JesseW MMovie: could you please try and fix your client? It's been bouncing on and off a lot lately.
20:53 🔗 JesseW SketchCow: The sad users who mailed you were talking about the EVE Online wiki shutting down, I presume?
20:53 🔗 xmc you live in a glass house, friend
20:53 🔗 JesseW yeah, I know that. :-/
20:53 🔗 JesseW I *hope* it's not quite as often -- but it probably is.
20:54 🔗 MrRadar Nah, MMovie's connection is definitely worse than anyone else who is here regularly
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20:56 🔗 * JesseW this is at least prompting me to look into ZNC as an option
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22:05 🔗 Nemo_bis SketchCow, MrRadar, a quick dump is at https://archive.org/details/wiki-wikieveonlinecom_wikien now
22:06 🔗 Nemo_bis A standard one will follow in due course
22:06 🔗 Nemo_bis "Quick" means that I just pasted 30k lines into https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Special:Export and downloaded a 1130 MiB XML file in a single request
22:07 🔗 Nemo_bis Few web applications, if any, allow such a thing other than MediaWiki :P
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22:08 🔗 Nemo_bis https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVElopedia:Copyrights is total rubbish
22:09 🔗 Nemo_bis "You may not modify, publish, transmit, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or in any way exploit any of the Content, in whole or in part." Suure, so how can people even click "edit"? :)
22:09 🔗 Atluxity lol
22:13 🔗 snape Nemo_bis, please. "You agree not to create or establish, or direct any other person to create or establish: (i) a hyperlink, including but not limited to any deep link, to any page or location on the Web Site"
22:14 🔗 JesseW It doesn't mention the word "wiki" anywhere on the page. It looks like they just cut-n-pasted some form applicable to static sites (and forums) and pasted it on to a wiki without thinking it through.
22:14 🔗 Nemo_bis snape: heh
22:14 🔗 Nemo_bis JesseW: yes, clearly so
22:14 🔗 JesseW (applicable is stretching it, considering the "you may not link to us" part...)
22:15 🔗 Nemo_bis Probably was copied from a website where they put their videogames up for download
22:15 🔗 Nemo_bis (is that a videogames website?)
22:15 🔗 JesseW I think?
22:19 🔗 snape Video game, way of life, dangerous cult, new religious movement, pyramid scheme...
22:21 🔗 * Nemo_bis just archives and moves on
22:22 🔗 MrRadar Yeah, EVE is one of the largest MMOs and its players tend to be very hardcore
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22:28 🔗 snape TOS thing dates to 2007, from their forums, FWIW. community.eveonline.com/support/policies/website-terms-of-use/
22:30 🔗 Nemo_bis That TOS is bad enough to cause trouble to anyone who wanted to resurrect the wiki.
22:30 🔗 Nemo_bis However, if the current sysadmins are shutting down the company (are they?) and if the wiki's users don't really hate each other, trouble is unlikely to materialise.
22:32 🔗 snape Ours is not to wonder why, ours is to archive (or try)
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22:56 🔗 Nemo_bis Lovely that this URL still works http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/53732.stm
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22:59 🔗 SimpBrain bbc do a good job of keeping old news items
22:59 🔗 HCross and newsbuddy does a good job of archiving them
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23:28 🔗 johtso Is there any way to tell if a youtube stream is being archived?
23:29 🔗 johtso and does archivebot have a way of capturing a youtube stream?
23:30 🔗 MrRadar No and no as far as I'm aware
23:31 🔗 MrRadar You can use youtube-dl to archive a stream in progress, but that will only capture the stream's history up to the point where you run youtube-dl
23:31 🔗 MrRadar It doesn't handle progressively downloading new content as the stream goes on
23:39 🔗 johtso argh, that's a shame
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