#archiveteam 2016-03-13,Sun

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Froggingarkiver: Looks like LJ returns 403 when you're banned
And I don't think the script checks for that
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HCross2*sigh* [00:24]
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FroggingWhat is it, HCross2 ? [00:30]
HCross2That they ban [00:30]
Froggingindeed [00:30]
HCross2How fast were you going? [00:31]
Frogging--concurrent 4
not sure if that's a very helpful metric. It was on a VPS fwiw
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arkiverFrogging: thanks!! [00:39]
Frogginghttp://www.livejournal.com/bots/
"do not connect more than 5 times per second"
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arkiverYeah [00:40]
Froggingetc [00:40]
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FroggingI'm still banned. I wonder if they automatically unblock or if you need to contact them [00:43]
arkiverPlease keep me updated on this
It'd be good to know if it temporary or not
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Froggingsure hting
thing*
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arkiverScrtips for livejournal discovery are updated! [00:49]
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Froggingarkiver: Where is the rate limiting in your script, by the way? [01:03]
arkiverCurrently there's no rate limiting in the script
But if you keep your concurrent to 1 or 2 per IP you should be fine
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Froggingk [01:03]
arkiverJust 1 I think [01:03]
Froggingarkiver: will probably have to go through the results at the end and re-discover 403'd pages [01:10]
arkiveryeah, I already requeued some items [01:10]
AsparagirShould be our new GIF icon: https://twitter.com/DinahHandel/status/707231351821496320 [01:16]
Frogginggot another problem arkiver
sometimes 403 is a legit response http://www.livejournal.com/profile?userid=33478636
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arkiverI see
I'm off to bed now, will fix that in the morning
thanks for reporting!
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Froggingnp [01:17]
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Froggingarkiver: All my IPs are banned now :p [01:51]
arkiverI paused the grab for now
we'll figure this out tomorrow
I paused the discovery*
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Froggingyeah. I've got a script checking every few minutes if my IP from earlier was unbanned
so we'll see if it times out
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AtluxityI got my 49hosts that might be used for this? [01:53]
FroggingAtluxity: Keep them for now, until we figure out what kind of rate limiting we're dealing with [01:53]
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dashcloudRavenloft: you can copy if you're using the Windows cmd.exe- right-click, choose Mark, drag a box over the whole message, and press enter- that copies the text in the box for you [02:26]
davidararkiver: hey
Seems we're in opposite timezones :(
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VADemonDo we have a channel for LiveJournal yet? [02:39]
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wumpusDo you folks monitor servers like warctozip.archive.org ? It seems that it's currently down, has been down for a while, has been down in the past, and IA is not monitoring it.
and it prevents your Webshots download thing from working
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Atluxity"you folks" is not archive.org
just to make it clear
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wumpusI work at archive.org, "you folks" is Archive Team. [03:00]
AtluxityI do not monitor servers like that, but maybe someone here does
ah, cool
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wumpusI suppose I should go cruise your wiki and find out who did the webshots work, or just ask textfiles [03:03]
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FroggingSketchCow is textfiles [03:24]
wumpusHe's going to be in the office on monday :-) [03:28]
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Sk1di am getting max rsync connections too fos [03:57]
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Fletcherthat is pretty much to be expected atm [04:01]
Sk1dis there a new project? [04:07]
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SketchCowWhut
Not Monday. Friday.
wumpus: It went down with a machine and I have a .zip file to bring it back and haven't yet.
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wumpusok [05:30]
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BnA-Rob1ngot all my ip's banned on livejournal, but hey: public cloud. will trash my current machines and recreate some new ones [07:14]
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FroggingBnA-Rob1n: I'm waiting to find out how long it takes for bans to expire :p
You get banned fairly quickly, not sure I'd bother without some rate limiting
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BnA-Rob1nyeah should be useful information, especially during the grab
the grab itself is paused anyway, but just doing some preparations
discovery is paused*
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Froggingbeen banned for almost 8 hours so fa
+r
anyway, time for bed since DST killed an hour
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SimpBrai1found that if you hit lj about every 1.5 secs it's ok
my script had a 0.7-1.5 sec delay and didnt get banned
any quicker and its a risk
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Nemo_bisnot too bad [10:11]
Sk1dhow about #archivejournal [10:13]
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SpilvergaHi comrades, i am so afraid about Yahoo's future, related to Tumblr content and Flickr, seems the tragedy of Geocities is far smaller, for the last informations (apologies if this isn't the correct channel), how we could archive that huges archives, vastly.metadata.enriched with hashtags? and graph.based data [11:18]
Nemo_bisTumblr is seemingly profitable, so it will probably be sold to someone who will keep it online and fear changing it for a while [11:21]
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arkiverdavidar: are you online? [11:29]
davidararkiver: o/
just estimating some stats for the crawl, one sec
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HCrossdavidar, how big do you estimate the total size of it all to be? [11:31]
arkiverSo, let's talk about the PDF project [11:32]
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davidaralright, so it's not a list of only direct links to PDFs, as I was initially told
it's also quite a bit bigger
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arkiverOk [11:34]
davidarso, we have 250-300M URLs [11:35]
arkiverSounds good [11:35]
davidar~10% of those are direct links to PDFs
the rest are mostly links to HTML landing pages
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arkiverAnd then only the HTML needs to be downloaded? or are PDF files linked to from the HTML [11:36]
davidar10-15% have a citation_pdf_url meta tag giving a direct link to a PDF
and another 10-15% have the PDF linked in an unstructured way (<a href=...)
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arkiverSounds very doable
Do you need any metadata extracted?
Or is saving the HTML and PDF files enough
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Spilverga@Nemo_bis: Hi, maybe, but still to be risky about integrity of data, I think will be a huge work of archiving or directly archive from infrastructure mirror [11:38]
davidarsaving should be enough - we're going to be doing a bunch of post-processing on it anyway [11:38]
arkiverok! [11:39]
davidarthe tricky bit with the unstructured links is that it isn't always obvious what a PDF link looks like [11:39]
arkiverCan you please get me the list? Then we'll figure out an example URL for every case so I know what we need to handle exactly [11:39]
bzc6pIf it will be a Warrior project or anything that needs more discussion, we could move it to some new channel. [11:39]
arkiverLet's do that
Someone has an awesome idea for the big PDF project?
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bzc6pOn the top of my stack.. erm head is #pdflush [11:40]
davidaridea as in a name? [11:40]
HCrosspdfyerheartout ? [11:40]
arkiver#pdflush is nice and easy I think [11:40]
HCross^^^ [11:40]
bzc6pAnd for LiveJournal I have one idea too: #recordedjournal. Beacuse it won't be live but we record it
I don't have ambitions of making my suggestions win, though, just giving ideas.
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Spilverga#inmortalJournal :B [11:42]
arkiverdavidar: can you please join #pdflush ? [11:42]
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VADemon#halflivejournal ? [13:06]
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Frogging15 hours later: still banned from LJ [15:28]
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it1hey [18:24]
HCrossOh Hi there :) [18:25]
it1lol :) [18:26]
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Sk1dI would say #recordedjournal is nice [20:27]
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