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JesseW: JW_work: I'll have a look at examiner.com |
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Frogging |
not sure how much we could get in 2 days |
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Isn't ArchiveBot already doing it, even if it's probably not going off of the sitemaps? |
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DoomTay: it's slow |
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ArchiveBot is one host crawling a site. Warrior projects are many hosts downloading a site in a more organized item-based fashion |
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We are now saving around 1 TB of news with NewsBuddy every day! |
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however in the latter case, the speed is still limited because without rate limiting that's just about the same thing as a DDoS. |
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still faster and more efficient generally though. but necessitates writing scripts that are aware of the site structure |
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!a http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ |
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godane |
i put it in archivebot |
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Frogging: #archivebot is *much* slower than nearly any source site, even with a delay of zero, due to the administrative back and forth with the central server. |
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yes, there's that too |
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VideoBot is recording livestream again. |
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VideoBot can be found at #videobot |
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It is especially handy to record and save Twitter videos directly to the Internet Archive as video item |
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vine and periscope are also supported. periscope needs a fix though |
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Coming up soon for VideoBot is following a twitter hashtag and downloading all twitter and/or periscope videos using that hashtag and uploading those videos to IA as video items. |
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All videos are also saved into the Wayback Machine |
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niiice |
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FalconK |
wait what wait what back and forth is there for archivebot in the middle of a crawl? |
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FalconK |
what I see is more like the site being crawled throttles large amounts of requests from a single IP. |
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and the deduplication lookups take a significant amount of cycles, which can't be parallelized because of python |
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FalconK: it's because it has to synchronously (!) contact the controller for every request |
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it probably doesn't have to do that |
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I bet we could make that better |
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it's managing the crawl locally, so what it exchanges with the controller can't be more than status updates |
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the code is unfortunately complicated though |
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I think I remember someone, probably Asparagir, saying that the only thing stopping rollout of any big updates is the high number of long-term jobs underway |
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FalconK |
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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complex. |
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FalconK |
that is a much bigger problem than just serviceability |
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FalconK |
so a couple days ago the PDU on ananiel died |
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FalconK |
I am told there was a great popping, and crackling, and smoke issued |
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and with it, about 14 long-running jobs |
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now they are started from the beginning |
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on the bright side, ananiel was updated before taking on new work |
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but if you set a stopfile, you can expect it to halt sometime between a few hours and 4 months from then (and it can't service small jobs while waiting for the long jobs to go away) |
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initially, one would suppose that the trick is to make it into a distributed workload |
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FalconK ! |
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FalconK |
bzc6p! you're the one with vt.idiota.hu, yes? |
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bzc6p |
um, yes |
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bzc6p |
why? |
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HCross |
im still up for running a pipeline |
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FalconK |
I'm trying to figure out why you use it for url lists, and not like pastebin |
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FalconK |
and then remove the A record for it after the job starts but before it is completed |
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I think he lost the job and can't remember the exact URL |
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FalconK |
there have been a few of those jobs |
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FalconK |
and sometimes the thing running them dies a painful death due to power failures, the epoll_wait bug in wpull, or something else |
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FalconK |
and then the next pipeline that takes up the job just tries infinitely to pull the URL list, and fails because the A record is gone and there's nothing there anymore |
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FalconK |
and the job takes up a job slot and keeps reporting infinitely |
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DoomTay |
I'm not sure the A record disappearing is his fault. Right now the site as a whole can't be reached. |
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FalconK |
when I get one of those jobs and notice this condition, the only way to fix it is to add a hosts entry for vt.idiota.hu so it goes to like google.com, so it can "finish" the job |
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FalconK |
yeah |
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FalconK |
... wait, is it URL lists, or were we trying to archive the site? |
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FalconK |
because it looked like URL lists |
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bzc6p |
Stop. |
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bzc6p |
So. |
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bzc6p |
The list resides on my computer, I start a webserver and announce my IP to a dyndns site. |
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bzc6p |
I wait until it finishes and then shut down my server. |
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bzc6p |
It happened twice out of like 14 cases that there was an outage meanwhile and the task got stuck. |
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bzc6p |
Let me remark that it is a bug in the ArchiveBot software, which was also admitted by yipdw. |
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bzc6p |
I do it this way because I don't want to use third parties unless necessary. |
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FalconK |
yes, you're triggering a bug |
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FalconK nods |
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bzc6p |
But if you think it is a considerable problem that sometimes that happens, I may consider doing it in a way that this bug is very less likely to happen. |
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it's probably worth fixing the bug, since that is not the only case that can trigger it, but |
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erstwhile, I know I've had to clear it on my pipeline ~5 times, and when it happens on a pipeline that is less watched, it takes quite a while |
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FalconK |
on the other hand, the next time you bring the host up, if it stays that way for longer than the DNS failure is cached, that pipeline will expunge the job |
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FalconK |
but, this method also risks keeping the DNS failure cached on the same pipeline that takes up your new job |
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FalconK |
in which case both jobs will be stuck |
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bzc6p |
Please tell me more about how your pipeline had to be cleared 5 times while I think I've never (or only once) targeted a job to your pipeline |
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bzc6p |
but in #archiveteam-bs |
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you're right, what's really needed is a limit on DNS retries |
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bzc6p |
(I use Frogging, now Luckolors pipelines) |
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FalconK |
it's not a big deal. I just wanted to understand what it was you were trying to do. |
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what's probably happening is that the job gets taken up by ananiel after the pipeline it was on dies (because ananiel is so big that condition is probable, though once I noticed it on Cadbury too) |
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FalconK |
which guarantees the bug is triggered. |
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FalconK |
so thanks for explaining! perhaps this is the next thing I should attack. |
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bzc6p is a bit confused |
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I think I'll just upload it to some drop site and shit |
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bzc6p |
then it won't happen and won't trigger problems |
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that is probably easier, at any rate |
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bzc6p doesn't like using third parties as our main goal is saving shit from third parties |
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the bug is still a bug that needs fixing |
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FalconK |
well the URL list is hopefully ephemeral and wherever you put it is probably unrelated to the crawl target |
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FalconK |
ty |
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bzc6p |
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FalconK |
it is an interesting point, though, that someone would be fairly easily able to DoS archivebot with these jobs |
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bzc6p |
In fact, I came here to inform you that 8086.net doesn't give a crap on us saving their stuff |
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HCross |
#archiveteam-bs |
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bzc6p |
https://secure.8086.net/portal/viewticket.php?tid=NTM-405143&c=9JIYc46J |
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bzc6p |
or, in fact, they do, instantly activated CloudFlare but don't mind deleting everything |
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bzc6p |
You have heard ArchiveTeam News |
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bzc6p |
"There is no way you can archive the >billion pages on the site and trying to do so is causing issues for other users on the site." |
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bzc6p |
I can hear SketchCow saying "yeah, deleting everything will also cause issues for other users of the site" |
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DoomTay |
Why did Timothy post the same thing several times? |
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bzc6p |
After wumpus reported he hasn't received reply, Timothy decided to send the letter to three contact addresses, and after one and a half day without reply, he decided to send it to the uppercase initial email addresses too, in case their shitty mailserver is case-sensitive. That's 6 times altogether. |
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DoomTay |
How much has been saved of DNSHistory befor e then anyway? |
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bzc6p |
0% |
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DoomTay |
Ow |
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bzc6p |
In fact, nearly 0,02% |
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DoomTay |
Andn ow he's deliberately blocking our efforts to get more... |
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DoomTay |
That's just evil |
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SketchCow |
Where's my hug |
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SketchCow |
Who hosed it off last |
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JW_work points to the giant hoses coming out of it, used for self-washing |
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FalconK |
I wonder what makes a person do that, enable cloudflare anti-flood for a site they plan to shut down in 2 days due to funding. |
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FalconK |
perhaps they didn't like paying the CDN charges for our crawl. maybe it was more bandwidth than they normally ever see. |
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JW_work |
that seems likely, yeah |
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Lune |
lol are these the dns people? |
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ranma |
is it on ATW? |
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joepie91 |
you can still reply to the ticket, by the way |
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joepie91 |
even if it is closed |
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joepie91 |
[00:17] <FalconK> perhaps they didn't like paying the CDN charges for our crawl. maybe it was more bandwidth than they normally ever see. |
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joepie91 |
I very strongly doubt there's a CDN involved here |
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FalconK |
well cloudflare |
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joepie91 |
you don't pay cloudflare for bandwidth |
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joepie91 |
that's not how their business model works |
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joepie91 |
so that's a non-argument :P |
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arkiver |
I'm able to write some scripts for a little project for examiner.com tomorrow. But I'm not sure if we have enough time to save everything |
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DoomTay |
Wait, what makes you think it's in danger? |
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Kitaru |
DoomTay: they announced it's closing on the 10th |
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DoomTay |
Oh... |
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Lune |
bloody french |
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