#archiveteam 2016-11-02,Wed

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00:26 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=File:WHYYYYYY_jscott.png
00:42 🔗 SketchCow godane: Where did these PC Magazine scans come from
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06:28 🔗 Coderjoe any plans to archive pangya forums? http://forum.gamerage.com/pangya/forums/ (open to googlebot)
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06:41 🔗 fjeiwo Is this where I can request a website to be archived?
06:57 🔗 zhongfu fjeiwo: i think you might want to check #archivebot
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07:16 🔗 fjeiwo zhongfu actually, I meant to suggest a new project. I'm not sure if this is something that could simply be fed to the archivebot
07:16 🔗 fjeiwo It's an entire domain name that's going to go down but which has a lot of valuable information
07:18 🔗 fjeiwo It'd require locating all of the domain's subdomains, and storing them
07:32 🔗 Kenshin why not just let us know what domain you're talkinga bout
07:36 🔗 PurpleSym Probably gamerage.com
07:44 🔗 Coderjoe is all of gamerage.com going down? I thought it was just pangya.
07:44 🔗 Coderjoe I really should have gotten an IRC client back in here sometime sooner than 2 months after the prior machine crapped out
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07:51 🔗 fjeiwo The domain is tiddlyspace.com
07:51 🔗 fjeiwo There are a lot of impressive TiddlyWiki-based projects that are going to be removed mid-December.
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08:09 🔗 zhongfu shutdown notice, "Tiddlyspace Service Update": https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/tiddlyspace/gDqcOXvpiZc
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08:09 🔗 zhongfu The hosting arrangement that supports the tiddlyspace service was renewed in December of last year, assuring that the service will be in place throughout 2016. However, it is unlikely that this arrangement will be renewed again at the end of this year. This means that unless someone either assumes the contractual ownership of the hosting arrangement or provides an alternative solution, the service will likely cease at the end of December, 2016.
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09:02 🔗 Nemo_bis Don't they also host wikis?
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09:47 🔗 zhongfu alright, the date is "on or before 15th December 2016"
09:47 🔗 zhongfu http://osmo-service.tiddlyspace.com/ServiceUpdate20160826
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10:18 🔗 Yoshimura Looking at the tiddlyspace at the moment. There are some APIs, but seems there is a (maybe regex maybe plain) whitelist of endpoints. If you hit something not on whitelist, it just resets connection.
10:19 🔗 Yoshimura Which, if accounted for, is beneficial for speed.
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13:46 🔗 fjeiwo So yeah I got disconnected but could I get an update on my proposal to archive Tiddlyspace?
13:52 🔗 Yoshimura fjeiwo: Too soon to ask. In my experience stuff takes longer to get to. If you want to talk aside, join #archiveteam-bs
13:53 🔗 Yoshimura I am not aware of a way to get a list of users, but did look at API.
14:40 🔗 DFJustin 30gb document leak https://twitter.com/AnonymousGlobo/status/793602434337767428
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15:41 🔗 fjeiwo Okay. Perhaps obvious, but it's also an idea to ask the owners of the site for help. I don't think they'd mind if people archived it
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19:53 🔗 JW_work godane (or someone else who likes grabbing things): https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/history probably worth getting a copy of — all the exhibit catalogs since 1929.
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20:09 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/msdncds?&sort=-publicdate
20:09 🔗 SketchCow Moo haa ha aa
20:11 🔗 powerKitt JW_work: sounds like a job for ArchiveBot
20:12 🔗 Sanqui So, Telegram, a chat service popular mainly with people who are about 3/4 the way of caring about privacy/security as well as furries, has this feature called channels, which allows one person to post public updates and others to subscribe (in a twitter/rss fashion, but no aggregation).
20:12 🔗 Sanqui Thinking about doing discovery + scraping + archiving
20:13 🔗 JW_work powerKitt: feel free to drop it in!
20:14 🔗 JW_work SketchCow: nice!
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20:39 🔗 powerKitt Sanqui: you might want to consider joining and scraping the logs of public Telegram chats.
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20:44 🔗 Sanqui powerKitt: that makes me feel a little iffy, not the least because I'm myself in a telegram chat that's technically public, but I wouldn't be happy if its entire history was posted on the internet
20:45 🔗 Sanqui ah, the conflict of an archivist with feelings. I support it from an archivist stance, I just don't want to be the one to do it, anyway.
20:46 🔗 xmc i will voice my mild opposition to that
20:47 🔗 xmc but i will not stand in your way
20:47 🔗 SketchCow I do not think it's a case of Archiveteam resources being needed for this.
20:47 🔗 jrwr I feel as a archivist that the more information history has the more truth that will come to light in 50-60-100 years
20:47 🔗 SketchCow Archive Team is a good clearing house for grabbing a lot of at-risk stuff
20:48 🔗 SketchCow Thought-to-be-ephemeral material doesn't really count towards that
20:48 🔗 SketchCow I might thought to be ephemeral by the material itself
20:48 🔗 SketchCow I MEAN
20:48 🔗 Sanqui I wasn't asking for ArchiveTeam resources but ArchiveTeam thoughts, anyway
20:48 🔗 SketchCow Obviously all material appears to be ephemeral because people are fuuuuuuuck
20:49 🔗 SketchCow Well, then you have it. Middling-to-"ehhh"
20:49 🔗 xmc archiving semi-public rather-ephemeral material: ehhhh
20:49 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, I get that
20:49 🔗 SketchCow I go back and forth myself
20:49 🔗 jrwr Throw it into the pile, someone might want it for a research paper
20:49 🔗 jrwr in 100 years
20:50 🔗 SketchCow For the record, this entire conversation should be in -bs
20:50 🔗 Sanqui I think channels are designed to be public and wouldn't have second thoughts about them. Chats, even public ones, I do consider ephermal, and the fact that you can just join and download the entire history is just a tad bit scary from Telegram
20:50 🔗 SketchCow The ENTIRE thing
20:50 🔗 Sanqui second thoughts about archiving them*
20:50 🔗 Sanqui APOLOGIES
20:50 🔗 SketchCow But until we move it, this is going to be playing in the background: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-Mrc2l1d0
20:50 🔗 SketchCow Which is accurate, because I want to rock with you all
20:51 🔗 SketchCow We do our best to keep the channel clear
20:51 🔗 SketchCow But we fail a lot
20:51 🔗 SketchCow Which is fine
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21:57 🔗 Boneyard why can't beautiful soup have a book. Youtube and google can only go so far! Not to mention the fact they suck for niche use cases.
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22:42 🔗 joepie91 Boneyard: try pyquery (if you're stuck with Python) - this should go to #archiveteam-bs though :)
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23:13 🔗 tyzoid Hey, is there any reason the archivewarrior only works on one project at a time?
23:26 🔗 jrwr Most of the time the project that is set to the front is the current project, most of the others no longer have things they are tracking or are in standby
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