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WHAT FORSOOTH, PRITHEE TELL ME THE SECRET WORD |
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Muad-Dib |
FYI: Opgelet op Internet, a 12+ year old Dutch conumer rights/scam watch/protection forum, is closing July 1st http://www.opgeletopinternet.nl/ |
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consumer rights* |
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Hobart |
MrRadar / hook54321 -> thx! |
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Sanqui |
Titanpad will be shutting down: http://blog.titanpad.com/2016/11/shutting-down-titanpad_12.html |
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Sanqui |
Ok, we know that already (http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Titanpad). Incidentally, May 1st has passed, but pads can still be edited. |
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This football team fan forum with a few million posts is closing tomorrow: http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/72470-announcement-boards-closing-may-5-new-date/ |
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Sanqui |
love it |
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Sanqui |
!d 0 0 |
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Sanqui |
pffff |
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Sanqui |
fine |
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Sanqui |
I'll do it, but ONLY because they're ravens |
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xmc |
hahaha |
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Sanqui |
shhh |
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xmc |
:P |
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joepie91 |
Muad-Dib: whoa, what the fuck? seriously? |
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joepie91 |
Muad-Dib: "Met veel spijt in het hart melden we jullie dat (OOK) de website van Kapaza op 13 mei 2017 offline zal gaan." |
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speculaas |
Goedenavond |
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joepie91: yup |
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the forum is a bit risky to tyhrow into archivebot though, since it has that nasty tendency to add one of those "PHPSESSID=" parts to internal links |
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speculaas |
vraagje, heeft iemand ervaring met het ophalen van de gegevens van een specifiek hyves account? |
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JAA |
Mmhm. Yeah. Oh, mhm. I know some of these words. |
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speculaas: Even though there are some people in here who understand/speak Dutch like me and joepie91, you probably get more of a response asking it in english ;) |
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Muad-Dib: I thought archivebot ignores those |
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Sanqui |
like, drops the parameters... but maybe not |
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speculaas |
Alright. I want to archive a Hyves account but on the Warior application I don't see the Hyves project. |
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As for your question, speculaas: I am not sure what the process was for the retrieval of a specific hyves account, but I think joepie91 or arkiver might know more |
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Hyves has been offline for several years now, the Warrior is just used for saving the website while it's still online |
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Sanqui, Muad-Dib: ArchiveBot/grab-site uses wpull's --strip-session-id argument, which removes PHPSESSID and similar stuff from URLs. |
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speculaas |
I thought there was a way after the end of Hyves to archive an account from Hyves |
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To download the stuff we grabbed from Hyves, you probably are going to have to look around the Internet Archive, where we store the data |
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speculaas: no, but it's (theoretically) possible to obtain pages from a Hyves account from the existing archives; the past ArchiveTeam project for it basically did a mass-archival of every account we could find |
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speculaas |
I don't have to use the warior application or github for that? |
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joepie91 |
speculaas: but let's move to #archiveteam-bs, this channel is for low-traffic announcements only :) |
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speculaas: you'd need a time machine to archive something that's already deleted, it'd make our lives a helluva lot easier ;) |
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but yes, let's move to #archiveteam-bs |
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An update about myfreeforum (cf. logs from 5 Apr): the crowd fundraiser has ended, and they've lowered the target to match what's been pledged (£1063 of an original target of £10k) so the money got charged. Apparently that was planned from the beginning and the donations will be used to offer a database export. However, the admins have been completely silent since (as far as I can tell), so nobody really knows what's going to happen. |
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Sanqui: no, it barely understands the semantics of URLs at all |
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a parameter blacklist might be an interesting feature |
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though it's already so bogged down with parsing that it's CPU bound |
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FalconK: now you are directly contradicting JAA, so sort it out please |
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I've been known to be wrong; let me look at the source |
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if it's not using --strip-session-id and |
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--strip-session-id works, it should be |
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FalconK |
said option strips exactly the following from the non-query part of the path: |
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^(.*/)(\\([0-9a-z]{24}\\)/)([^\\?]+\\.aspx.*)$ |
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FalconK |
and then from the query: |
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^(.*)(?:jsessionid=[0-9a-zA-Z]{32})(?:&(.*))?$ |
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^(.*)(?:phpsessid=[0-9a-zA-Z]{32})(?:&(.*))?$ |
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^(.*)(?:sid=[0-9a-zA-Z]{32})(?:&(.*))?$ |
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^(.*)(?:ASPSESSIONID[a-zA-Z]{8}=[a-zA-Z]{24})(?:&(.*))?$ |
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^(.*)(?:cfid=[^&]+&cftoken=[^&]+)(?:&(.*))?$ |
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and that's it |
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FalconK |
so PHPSESSID it will miss, since it only cares about that in lowercase |
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JAA |
It uses the re.I option. |
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JAA |
(At least in the current master) |
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Zeryl |
@Sanqui, thanks again for the message last night |
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FalconK |
then there's a bug somewhere else, because I've seen it running down the PHPSESSID rabbit hole a ton |
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Zeryl: you're welcome, do good |
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Zeryl |
that's my hope! :) |
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yeah, the copy I'm running definitely uses re.I as well |
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got some scripts all setup for the backup i'm working on, so I'll be throwing those up later. Hopefully they are a bit generic enough to use going forward. |
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ugh, I guess I'll have to look in the manhole next time I catch one running away like that to see why. |
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Interestingly though, those regexes don't check whether jsessionid, phpsessid, etc. are preceded by either ? or & so only actual query parameters with those names are matched. For example, I'd expect "http://example.com/?thisusersid=0123456789abcdef0123456789abcdef&foo" to become "http://example.com/?thisuser&foo" (untested). |
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Sanqui |
noooo :( |
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Sanqui: My EpicSki forum grab is done. 571k URLs (155k of which are thread pages), 64 GiB uncompressed according to wpull, 53 GiB compressed. |
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Sanqui |
JAA: good job! the archivebot job is still going |
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yes, we have a substantial issue with archivebot that I don't have a good strategy to address: it spends massive amounts of time doing things like building complete parsed representations of documents it gets |
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FalconK |
now, it's using wpull too |
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but it has an unfavourable CPU/bandwidth ratio |
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so it's able to do just a few requests per second if the pipeline has as many as 3 jobs |
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cloud CPU is vastly more expensive than cloud bandwidth, so I'd be interested to hear if anyone has any thoughts on it |
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why are documents being parsed |
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Sanqui |
to gather links |
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Sanqui |
right |
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Sanqui |
-bs probably |
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