#archiveteam 2018-03-13,Tue

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bithippo@JAA: As promised, toysrusinc.com WARCd from a residential connection: https://archive.org/details/www.toysrusinc.com-2018-03-09-51457a98
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vxbinacais Jason around? I sent him an email and haven't heard back (I understand he has a life). It's about a tool I help maintain and excessive derives. [18:01]
WubTheCapHe's on this IRC channel (although probably AFK). Jason acknowledges some of my things via email, but doesn't respond to every one of them. [18:03]
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FalcoHey, I work at discourse.org, an open source forum software and wayback machine can't handle it right now. Can someone help me debug the problem and make our software work well together? [19:24]
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schbiridFalco: try to make it work without javascript [19:27]
Falcoschbirid it does work without javascript already. But the waybackmachine is trying to archive the JS-enabled version
the page in question people reported is https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-and-wildcard-certificate-support-is-live/55579
if you disable JS in your browser it should render just fine
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schbiridit goes? i get a blank page for https://meta.discourse.org/ with no js
and that as well
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Falcoif I do a `lynx https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-and-wildcard-certificate-support-is-live/55579` it works for me [19:31]
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schbiridtry lynx http://web.archive.org/web/20180313171525/https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-and-wildcard-certificate-support-is-live/55579 [19:34]
Falcooh it's working [19:34]
Aoedeif js is allowed on letsencrypt.org (but not on discourse.org) it gives a white page [19:35]
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Falcohmmm
looks like people are complaining that creating an archive using the web interface doesn't work, ie `https://web.archive.org/web/20180313193805/https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-and-wildcard-certificate-support-is-live/55579?u=falco`
using the web interface, it sends down the user own user-agent. That we detect as Javascript enabled one, and we send down the JS version. Is there a way to detect it, so we can send the JS-free version?
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schbiridhttps://web.archive.org/save/https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-and-wildcard-certificate-support-is-live/55579?u=falco
you could just always serve a non-js version <3 <3 <3
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JAAFWIW, Discourse works fine for me without JS, although it could use better CSS. [20:06]
FalcoJAA, that's true, our non-JS is mostly aimed at crawlers so we skip most CSS.
anyone has an idea how to serve that version to wayback machine?
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JAAFalco: I'd be surprised if you actually served different versions for JS and non-JS. Browsers don't tell the servers whether they support JS directly. So I expect that you serve the same HTML in any case, and if JS is supported, the JS code mostly replaces the page with the scripted version (with infinite scrolling and whatnot).
So I'd expect it to work fine through the Wayback Machine if the browser doesn't accept JS on IA.
Unfortunately, the WM requires JS for many things, so that's tricky to achieve (though possible with NoScript, I believe).
Anyway, let's move further discussion to #archiveteam-bs as this channel is mostly intended for announcements.
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