#archiveteam 2018-03-13,Tue

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00:06 🔗 bithippo @JAA: As promised, toysrusinc.com WARCd from a residential connection: https://archive.org/details/www.toysrusinc.com-2018-03-09-51457a98
00:06 🔗 bithippo ~5GB in aggregate
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18:01 🔗 vxbinaca is Jason around? I sent him an email and haven't heard back (I understand he has a life). It's about a tool I help maintain and excessive derives.
18:03 🔗 WubTheCap He's on this IRC channel (although probably AFK). Jason acknowledges some of my things via email, but doesn't respond to every one of them.
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19:24 🔗 Falco Hey, I work at discourse.org, an open source forum software and wayback machine can't handle it right now. Can someone help me debug the problem and make our software work well together?
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19:27 🔗 schbirid Falco: try to make it work without javascript
19:29 🔗 Falco schbirid it does work without javascript already. But the waybackmachine is trying to archive the JS-enabled version
19:30 🔗 Falco the page in question people reported is https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-and-wildcard-certificate-support-is-live/55579
19:30 🔗 Falco if you disable JS in your browser it should render just fine
19:30 🔗 schbirid it goes? i get a blank page for https://meta.discourse.org/ with no js
19:30 🔗 schbirid and that as well
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19:31 🔗 Falco if I do a `lynx https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-and-wildcard-certificate-support-is-live/55579` it works for me
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19:34 🔗 schbirid try lynx http://web.archive.org/web/20180313171525/https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-and-wildcard-certificate-support-is-live/55579
19:34 🔗 Falco oh it's working
19:35 🔗 Aoede if js is allowed on letsencrypt.org (but not on discourse.org) it gives a white page
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19:38 🔗 Falco hmmm
19:39 🔗 Falco looks like people are complaining that creating an archive using the web interface doesn't work, ie `https://web.archive.org/web/20180313193805/https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-and-wildcard-certificate-support-is-live/55579?u=falco`
19:40 🔗 Falco using the web interface, it sends down the user own user-agent. That we detect as Javascript enabled one, and we send down the JS version. Is there a way to detect it, so we can send the JS-free version?
19:41 🔗 schbirid https://web.archive.org/save/https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-and-wildcard-certificate-support-is-live/55579?u=falco
19:41 🔗 schbirid you could just always serve a non-js version <3 <3 <3
19:41 🔗 schbirid i am off
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20:06 🔗 JAA FWIW, Discourse works fine for me without JS, although it could use better CSS.
20:08 🔗 Falco JAA, that's true, our non-JS is mostly aimed at crawlers so we skip most CSS.
20:08 🔗 Falco anyone has an idea how to serve that version to wayback machine?
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20:11 🔗 JAA Falco: I'd be surprised if you actually served different versions for JS and non-JS. Browsers don't tell the servers whether they support JS directly. So I expect that you serve the same HTML in any case, and if JS is supported, the JS code mostly replaces the page with the scripted version (with infinite scrolling and whatnot).
20:12 🔗 JAA So I'd expect it to work fine through the Wayback Machine if the browser doesn't accept JS on IA.
20:13 🔗 JAA Unfortunately, the WM requires JS for many things, so that's tricky to achieve (though possible with NoScript, I believe).
20:13 🔗 JAA Anyway, let's move further discussion to #archiveteam-bs as this channel is mostly intended for announcements.
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