#archiveteam 2019-03-26,Tue

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13:40 🔗 mib_z4mp1 Hey guys.
13:40 🔗 mib_z4mp1 Know about how ephermal pomf.se clones are, hosting my own (custom software) at https://femto.pw
13:41 🔗 mib_z4mp1 Looking to archive it's content to provide more continuity, what's the best way to include some metadata with each file uploaded?
13:41 🔗 mib_z4mp1 E.g. the files themselves are just <UUIDv3> with raw content, the data containing file name, owner, etc, is included in a database (MongoDB, JSON).
13:43 🔗 mib_z4mp1 We're not that large, about 50GB of stored data at the moment.
13:43 🔗 MrRadar2 Is that information available through some public page or API?
13:43 🔗 MrRadar2 For each file
13:44 🔗 mib_z4mp1 A subset of it is available via HTML. It could be trivially done via an API too.
13:46 🔗 MrRadar2 Our main focus is preserving web pages as they are for the Internet Archive's Wayback service, so the best way for us to preserve that information would be to take a snapshot of that HTML page
13:46 🔗 mib_z4mp1 Oh, neat!
13:46 🔗 MrRadar2 If you're asking about how to preserve it in general, exporting it to some kind of text file (CSV, XML, JSON, etc.) is probably the best option
13:51 🔗 MrRadar2 I'm adding your site to our wiki, who should I list as the maintainer?
13:51 🔗 mib_z4mp1 Codefined <uploader@femto.host> is a good one.
13:51 🔗 MrRadar2 Thanks
13:52 🔗 mib_z4mp1 Sorry, which wiki is this?
13:52 🔗 MrRadar2 https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Pomf.se/Clones
13:53 🔗 MrRadar2 BTW, the total file size on your front page is broken (showing 0 B for me)
13:53 🔗 mib_z4mp1 Yes, I had to disable it.
13:54 🔗 mib_z4mp1 The library I was using to calculate folder size was reaching recursion limits and crashing.
13:54 🔗 mib_z4mp1 The precise size is 88GB.
13:54 🔗 MrRadar2 Ah, thanks
13:55 🔗 mib_z4mp1 Cool list, by the wa.
13:55 🔗 mib_z4mp1 way*
13:57 🔗 MrRadar2 When was the site first started?
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13:59 🔗 mib_z4mp1 The current iteration of it started Feb 28th 2018.
14:00 🔗 MrRadar2 Thanks. If you feel your site is at risk please reach out and we can help you archive it into the Internet Archive
14:00 🔗 ATrescue We should create a list of big private Twitter accounts and archive them as soon as they are public again.
14:00 🔗 ATrescue https://twitter.com/CameronRidle
14:00 🔗 mib_z4mp1 Hopefully it's not at risk. It doesn't cost me anything to run, it uses the spare disk space from a few dozen other servers.
14:01 🔗 mib_z4mp1 Will contact you guys again if anthing changes, :)
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18:11 🔗 SketchCow Please, not Pomf clones
18:28 🔗 Kaz I see it as 'we'll spin up 20 sites to replace pomf, and don't worry if we die/run out of disk/whatever, we'll be rescued' Bad precedent, bad idea, bad content
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18:45 🔗 SketchCow My attitude is that if your entire model is do something even a cursory amount of people think is creepy, plan self-sustainability/recovery into your plans.
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18:45 🔗 SketchCow This also works for things like "I run one of the first matches for how to make Methamphetamine", a.k.a. me
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18:51 🔗 Kaz pft, you're #5 for me
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18:55 🔗 icedice I think we should archive https://knowyourmeme.com/ since Article 13 just passed in the EU
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19:31 🔗 JAA The new copyright directive passed the parliament. It has to go through the council again, then it'll take up to two years until the individual countries have implemented the relevant legislation. And it'll be fought over in the courts on both EU (ECJ) and country level as well. That's enough reasons not to worry about it in terms of "we need to archive this!!" yet. Besides, I believe KYM isn't hosted in
19:31 🔗 JAA the EU anyway.
19:32 🔗 JAA Which doesn't mean KYM shouldn't be archived, just not with the urgency you were suggesting.
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19:56 🔗 SketchCow WHY
19:56 🔗 SketchCow WHY ARCHIVE KNOW YOUR MEME BECAUSE OF ARTICLE 13
19:56 🔗 SketchCow I want the thinking
19:56 🔗 SketchCow Do not overload Archive Team with your randomized panic fear because Article 13 suddenly flew across your desk
19:56 🔗 SketchCow I've been watching that thing for over a year
19:56 🔗 JAA "The memes will die!!!1!!1"
19:57 🔗 SketchCow The meeememes
20:07 🔗 icedice Sorry
20:08 🔗 icedice I thought it had passed all EU level institutions
20:09 🔗 icedice And I wasn't sure how fast it would get implemented
20:10 🔗 icedice It doesn't matter that KYM isn't hosted in the EU, they currently accept users and uploads from the EU, which is enough to make them liable under the law
20:11 🔗 icedice The reason I didn't just go into #archivebot and do !a https://knowyourmeme.com/ is because 1) it's probably really big, and 2) I wanted your input on it
20:12 🔗 icedice I figured that we should back it up at some point and that it might have been a good idea before they start complying with the law
20:12 🔗 Fusl and 3) Non-voiced and non-opped users don't have access to !a
20:13 🔗 icedice I can usually get voice if I want it
20:13 🔗 Fusl it's as easy as "voice pls" and "ops pls" i know
20:13 🔗 icedice The reason for that is because I don't abuse it and have a pretty good track record
20:15 🔗 icedice But if Article 13 gets passed on the EU level, I think we should archive KYM before Article 13 gets enacted
20:16 🔗 Fusl not only KYM but yeah
20:17 🔗 icedice Also, it is the only meme site I'd archive because of this since it covers most stuff and trying to archive FunnyJunk, Imgur, Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, etc. is too much
20:17 🔗 Kaz -bs
20:17 🔗 icedice * the most notable variations of memes are covered, at least
20:17 🔗 icedice Sorry, I'm done
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21:10 🔗 SketchCow 16:10 < icedice> It doesn't matter that KYM isn't hosted in the EU, they currently accept users and uploads from the EU, which is enough to make them liable under the law
21:10 🔗 SketchCow mmm no
21:15 🔗 SketchCow 1. Stop inventing law
21:15 🔗 SketchCow 2. Take this to -bs
21:15 🔗 SketchCow Or 3. -ot
21:17 🔗 SketchCow Also, passing along to you fucksticks:
21:17 🔗 SketchCow https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1110610844214280193
21:17 🔗 SketchCow You had no idea how much June was successful for Archive Team, passing along what mood Brewster was in a given day to hearing a proposal or some resource we needed.
21:20 🔗 astrid oh god
21:20 🔗 astrid <3
21:21 🔗 astrid sending hugs and love to all of IA
21:21 🔗 SketchCow She left a few years ago, but was there from first day there were people and it wasn't just a few folks in a room with some computers.
21:21 🔗 SketchCow (Wayback doesn't become net accessible until like 2001-2002)
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