[00:05] *** Start-mob has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [00:14] *** serapeum has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [00:20] I back-filled the connections data in graphite: http://iabak.archiveteam.org:8080/render/?width=1060&height=731&_salt=1428538747.86&tz=UTC&target=keepLastValue%28iabak.shardstats.connections.*%29&from=-2weeks [00:24] Still kinda wierd there's so few people on shard2. [00:24] * pikhq feels smug for having been on it since it was made "active" [00:32] is that "before it was cool"? [00:35] *** raylee has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [00:36] Oh, to be in a world where shoving bits on your hard drive was "cool". [00:38] *** raylee has joined #internetarchive.bak [00:44] *** serapeum has joined #internetarchive.bak [00:47] db48x: nice! [00:47] I'd be for replacing the current graph in stats page with that [00:47] and we can get per-shard graphs too.. [00:48] indeed [00:48] svg output is broken though [00:48] I should figure out why [00:48] that's a png isn't it? [00:49] or I could grab some code from a recent project that draws the svg in javascript, based on json [00:49] yea [00:49] but it's a fixed size [00:49] http://iabak.archiveteam.org:8080/render/?width=600&height=400&_salt=1428538747.86&tz=UTC&target=keepLastValue%28iabak.shardstats.connections.*%29&from=-2weeks [00:49] seems not [00:51] http://iabak.archiveteam.org:8080/render/?width=600&height=400&_salt=1428538747.86&tz=UTC&target=keepLastValue%28iabak.shardstats.connections.*%29&from=-2weeks&format=svg [00:52] what I mean is that any particular width and height we request is fixed; zooming in on it just makes it pixelated [01:08] *** kyan has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) [01:09] *** kyan has joined #internetarchive.bak [01:57] closure: Hum. With fsck I got 11 files all of which were 67B larger. [01:59] It seems oddly suspicious that all of them would fail in the same way. [02:02] https://archive.org/download/Ttscribe/Ttscribe_files.xml is still darked but in the repo [02:20] well, I have seen resuming of http transfers not work right before, on other web sites. it'd be my first guess [02:25] could do some comparison of the right content with the one in .git/annex/bad/ and see what happened [02:29] *** Start-mob has joined #internetarchive.bak [02:45] *** Start-mob has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 370 seconds) [02:46] *** xyzzy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 369 seconds) [02:46] *** Start-mob has joined #internetarchive.bak [03:01] *** underscor has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:04] *** underscor has joined #internetarchive.bak [03:04] *** cloudmons has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:04] *** acridAxid has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:04] *** patrickod has quit IRC (Write error: Broken pipe) [03:05] *** hatseflat has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:05] *** beardicus has quit IRC (My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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[14:58] *** Start has joined #internetarchive.bak [15:00] *** Senji has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 506 seconds) [15:34] hi [15:34] i finally have some time for this thing [15:34] hi realeyes [15:34] where is that Scott guy? [15:35] i think thats his name lol [15:35] yeah Jason Scott :) [15:35] his handle is SketchCow [15:35] yeah [15:35] i been meaning to talk to him [15:38] Hey, buddy. [15:38] They call him, Scott, aaaaaaaaaaaaa [15:39] He'll save every one of us [15:39] whats up man? ahhhh my name is Scott too lol [15:39] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyIIYerdlUA [15:39] Well, mine's Jason, I just like it when people call me Scott [15:39] Savior of the Universe! [15:39] well, you got me here from twitter [15:39] i have a 16TB ZFS pool [15:39] Excellent. Hop on the bus. [15:39] and i know the linuxes [15:39] You can delete the stuff if you need space back. [15:40] no biggie [15:40] whats the end goal here? backup the internet? lol [15:40] We're trying to make it so people can go "I have x TB" and as it's needed for their other things, they can delete slices. [15:41] interesting. I briefly read about the shards [15:41] http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK/git-annex_implementation [15:41] You want to grab SHARD2 [15:41] In the future, we'll have better control of new people being assigned stuff easily and obviously. [15:42] how do i 'grab shard2'? [15:43] So, I'd say, join up using the instructions, and at some point in there, you back up what's needed. [15:43] I am not sure if knowing which shard to get is needed yet [15:51] it's easy; just clone the repository (https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/IA.BAK) and run ./iabak [15:51] *** svchfoo2 has quit IRC (Quit: Closing) [15:51] *** Start has quit IRC (Disconnected.) [15:51] it does the rest [15:52] *** svchfoo2 has joined #internetarchive.bak [15:52] *** svchfoo3 sets mode: +o svchfoo2 [15:54] There we go. [15:55] (Bear in mind the project is very fluid and the nature is changing very quickly, so of course it's getting smarter.) [15:56] when will it become self aware? [15:56] who do I give my pubkey to? and how do I tell it how much space it can have? :) [15:56] db48x how do i specify where to put the shard? [15:56] i get i clone it into the disk / folder i want the shard to be in huh [15:57] *** Start has joined #internetarchive.bak [15:57] Ctrl-S: it's already self-aware and is just using us to replicate [15:59] ok i want to sign up for shard2 [16:00] it should be active already. check the repolist file [16:00] its asking me to paste some SSH key [16:00] looks like a pub key [16:01] yep, just pastebin that and I'll add it to the repo [16:01] http://hastebin.com/omosufuzek.vbs [16:01] ok [16:01] here is the key: http://hastebin.com/sowiperace.pl [16:02] and mine http://hastebin.com/sunowuxumo.mel [16:03] let me know when im good to start [16:03] lol ppiixx do you use hastebin already or are you just using it because i pasted it? lol [16:04] i love how the repo is just a series of shell scripts [16:05] seems like .... [16:05] realeyes: sometimes the simplest is the best [16:06] git: 'annex' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. [16:06] it should have downloaded git-annex [16:07] i had to install it [16:07] via brew [16:07] ah, it's probably not new enough then [16:07] the version needs to be 201502something [16:07] I think you're the 1st osx user, expect breakage [16:08] seems to be happily backing up stuff here [16:08] ive given it a zfs quoated chunk of disk. i assume it will cope ok when it runs out of space [16:08] quite possible [16:08] ./iabak-helper: line 88: flock: command not found [16:08] what is the list of software I need? lol [16:08] it will [16:08] the rest is probably all from coreutils [16:09] yeah im on osx though [16:09] ah and it just got around to asking me about diskspace too :) [16:09] should probably do that up front [16:10] ppiixx: we have to install git-annex first and then call "git-annex reserve..." - way around would be confusing [16:11] http://hastebin.com/inateboyul.vhdl [16:12] the flock error isn't fatal right away [16:12] realeyes: brew has a coreutils [16:12] oh nice [16:13] it just won't be able to sync regularly with the server, so the server won't know that you've downloaded anything [16:13] closure: is flock from coreutils or linux-util? [16:13] db48x: that's why i said "a simple filelock is more portable than using some tool" (flock) [16:14] ah yeah, it's util-linux [16:15] (w/o being at all linux-specific afaik) [16:20] hater: possibly. implementing something from scratch every time is error-prone though [16:21] simple lock files lead to dangling locks [16:22] we could use perl though, it'll work on all the unixes [16:27] db48x: i thought about a simple "if [ -e .lockfile ] ; then #skip update because it is already updating" [16:28] sure, but that's prone to errors where the script exits without deleting the file [16:28] the dangling lock [16:29] with flock(1) or flock(2), we create a file (if it doesn't exist), and then ask the OS for a lock on that file [16:29] only one running program can have a lock on a file at a time [16:30] and when that program exits, it's file descriptors are automatically closed, automatically releasing any locks that were still open [16:30] its [16:33] SHARD2 is making progress: [16:33] http://iabak.archiveteam.org:8080/render/?width=1060&height=731&_salt=1428596848.669&from=-1weeks&lineWidth=3&colorList=red%2Corange%2Cgreen%2Cblack&lineMode=staircase&areaMode=stacked&yMax=100&vtitle=%25&yUnitSystem=si&minorY=&target=legendValue%28alias%28keepLastValue%28scale%28divideSeries%28iabak.shardstats.numcopies.0.shard2%2Ciabak.shardstats.filecount.shard2%29%2C100%29%29%2C%22IA%20only%22%29%2C%22last%22%29&targe [16:34] good lord that's a scary url [16:34] yea [16:34] graphite ought to include a built-in url shortener for saved graphs [16:35] how do you make them? [16:37] visit http://iabak.archiveteam.org:8080/ [16:37] oh, funky [16:37] it gives you a decent UI for selecting which metrics to graph, how graph them, how to combine or transform them, etc [16:38] if you look under User Graphs > db48x you'll see some that I've created [16:38] http://t.co/EDlGJ4disb seen this yet? [16:40] nah, I don't really pay much attention [16:42] well its still not finding flock eventhough i installed coreutils [16:44] realeyes: check to see if there's a linux-util package [16:45] *** Start has quit IRC (Disconnected.) [16:45] there isnt [16:49] is flock in your path? [16:51] ppiixx: on osx, there is no flock [16:53] flock(1) is unavailable on OS X [16:55] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10526651/mac-os-x-equivalent-of-linux-flock1-command [16:56] ah, I'd just written my own perl one-liner [16:58] anyone using osx here? [16:58] me [16:58] i'm not using ia.bak though [16:58] tpw_rules: could you try the perl code from the stackoverflow-link? [16:59] the one-liner [16:59] how do i set it up? [17:00] it seems to work. i pointed it to some random file and it started, locked, and unlocked [17:00] tpw_rules: open a terminal; perl and insert "use Fcntl qw(:flock);" [17:00] oh [17:00] so Fcntl is installed by default [17:01] it doesn't say anything [17:03] i'm running 10.9 [17:09] I've got a patch to use perl which I'm testing [17:28] *** Senji has joined #internetarchive.bak [17:34] i love perl [17:35] http://hastebin.com/mowukugaza.vhdl [17:35] i already ran git-annex init [17:35] and it's still complaining about flock [17:35] anyone else trying to grab shards on OSX? 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[18:40] realeyes: still testing :) [18:40] found a couple of bugs [18:42] *** Start has joined #internetarchive.bak [18:43] *** Start has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:43] *** Start has joined #internetarchive.bak [18:46] hater ok hang on [18:47] hater http://hastebin.com/alarikosab.vhdl [18:47] db48x: i 'rm -rf' my IA.BAK again instead of my broken build (with my ssh key) m( [18:48] *** Start has quit IRC (Client Quit) [18:48] realeyes: there are more errors: line 6 and 11 [18:49] i didnt see the printf error [18:49] but the flock error is being working on [18:49] looks like osx's 'find' command does not support the -printf option [18:49] maybe i need to install findutils from brew lol [18:51] yeah i guess the script in git isn't too osx friendly [18:51] we simply did not test it on osx [18:52] aha [18:53] well, i'll be the guiney pig [19:09] ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQCxM4ogOUzGDn05jjwlj1f7iER7BhLs7UF1uuJm9qMq+UJOQy8uXXdwgVhy2ZvrKND72kmEunYfccMz11N7daq5XXSUjxw06lVH3uP1OFJ9+3Z7UYXAR4RuasDJrgfgc5kdVSTP0oRRu7bRGRFlkSXPPUZHyP3EvitCQqAV+QRGUg1WhMzHBbXFoJMKWzEIkab3tohL7Huf/yJmlcHfuuMA9dLviX4P41WBCPX8CA4GA7oXsBiL+DaCFX8VLv3XAfKuN/mJOWBZ7N8VOv/jkBPRZ2a72gAOjNpbiRlnoygCi82fJjzfZCas1P2Wy5P2pHaBksLWdro612VZGeuZOvYB proto@blacktea [19:10] db48x: new ssh key - this time a made 2 backups [19:17] thx [19:22] *** svchfoo2 has quit IRC (Quit: Closing) [19:23] *** svchfoo2 has joined #internetarchive.bak [19:23] *** svchfoo1 sets mode: +o svchfoo2 [19:49] *** SN4T14__ has joined #internetarchive.bak [19:53] *** SN4T14_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 306 seconds) [19:54] *** atomotic has joined #internetarchive.bak [19:55] ok [19:55] *** Start-mob has joined #internetarchive.bak [19:55] realeyes: if you pull you'll get an updated version which has a substitute for flock(1) [19:56] readlink: illegal option -- f [19:56] * db48x facepalms [19:57] that's in coreutils; what version do you have? [20:01] *** Start-mob has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [20:01] *** Start-mob has joined #internetarchive.bak [20:06] we should try to rewrite iabak-helper to be posix-compliant [20:08] otherwise we are going to have loads of problems porting our script to *bsd (like osx) [20:09] 2.14 ‘coreutils’: Multi-call binary [20:09] osx 10.10 [20:13] 8.22 here :P [20:15] *** atomotic has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) [20:16] do you have realpath instead? [20:21] 8.21 here - there are really systems which have such an old version of coreutils? [20:22] OS X doesn't use gnu coreutils [20:23] realeyes: what's this and where is that version number from? [20:24] *** Start-mob has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 370 seconds) [20:28] *** Start has joined #internetarchive.bak [20:29] balrog info coreutils [20:29] db48x how would i check? [20:30] db48x: no realpath in os x [20:30] which realpath, man realpath, etc [20:30] /usr/local/bin/realpath [20:30] is that from homebrew? [20:30] not sure [20:30] im on osx using homebrew [20:31] it's in /usr/local so it is [20:31] what else you wana know? :) [20:34] db48x: where is the problem in just using POSIX-compliant tools and options? [20:35] nothing [20:36] then we should rewrite a few things in iabak-helper [20:38] another thing: don't use #!/bin/sh if there are bashisms [20:38] I don't know if there are but it's not unlikely [20:39] balrog: there are bashisms [20:39] hater: then either fix them or use #!/bin/bash [20:39] or the script will probably fail on debian [20:39] 'checkbashisms iabak-helper' [20:39] line 171 [20:40] hater: alternatively, someone could rewrite it in a more portable language like python [20:40] closure: or perl [20:40] * hater <3 perl [20:41] then we could also provide an .exe for windows [20:41] well, if you do it in perl, I can help maintain it [20:41] or, haskell (which would make an exe easier ;) [20:41] D: [20:42] 'learn haskell' is still on my todo-list [20:42] weird, I am not seeing the bashism [20:45] closure: http://hastebin.com/muqasiwevo.avrasm [20:45] checkbashism: http://sourceforge.net/projects/checkbaskisms/ [20:47] yeah, that's not actually a bashism. You probably have an old/buggy checkbashisms; debian unstable does not find that [20:49] 2.0.0.2-r2 [20:49] 2.15 [20:49] * closure winds [20:49] oh, gentoo repos are outdated [20:50] that's probably why there is an unstable-flag [20:50] http://iabak.archiveteam.org:8080/render/?width=1060&height=731&_salt=1428612514.473&from=-1weeks&areaMode=stacked&yMax=100&vtitle=%25&title=SHARD2%20progress%2C%20%25&target=legendValue%28alias%28color%28keepLastValue%28scale%28divideSeries%28iabak.shardstats.numcopies.0.shard2%2Ciabak.shardstats.filecount.shard2%29%2C100%29%29%2C%22red%22%29%2C%22IA%20only%22%29%2C%22last%22%29&target=legendValue%28alias%28color%28keepL [20:50] short link.. [20:50] I learned my bashisms the hard way, by writing a few tens of thousands of lines of posix shell code ;) [20:50] closure: ouch [20:51] why is the progress % going downward? [20:52] oh, it's the 0 copies files [20:52] red is going down and green is going up [20:52] not seeing the green [20:53] did you copy the whole url? [20:53] i'm not seeing green either [20:54] oh i must not have the whole thing [20:54] there's open (('s so it must have been truncated [20:54] http://iabak.archiveteam.org:8080/render/?width=1060&height=731&_salt=1428612834.229&from=-1weeks&areaMode=stacked&yMax=100&vtitle=%25&title=SHARD2%20progress%2C%20%25&target=legendValue%28alias%28color%28keepLastValue%28scale%28divideSeries%28diffSeries%28iabak.shardstats.filecount.shard2%2CsumSeries%28iabak.shardstats.numcopies.0.shard2%2Ciabak.shardstats.numcopies.1.shard2%2Ciabak.shardstats.numcopies.2.shard2%29%29%2C [20:55] I reordered this one so that the slopes are going up and to the right; should help comprehension [20:56] http://tinyurl.com/mxx9xno [21:01] *** sankin has quit IRC (Leaving.) [21:02] closure: oops: https://github.com/LittleCerise/IA.BAK/commit/a9e5144df9081508dd2884faeed192b776a04ba5 [21:06] woah, wtf? [21:07] git commit -a, probably [21:07] that commit added the entire git-annex source tree? [21:07] git add . I suppose [21:07] revert time [21:07] wow, that's a lot of crap to put in history [21:07] yea [21:07] did it get merged? [21:07] just a pull request [21:07] oh, thank goodness! [21:09] oh yea, branches [21:10] is it possible to get a version of the stacked graph for * ? [21:10] I like the grapgh [21:10] not using a wildcard, I think [21:11] hmm, that worked for the other graph [21:12] you can certainly graph iabak.shardstats.numcopies.*.shard2, but this stacked graph divides everything by iabak.shardstats.filecount.shard2 to show a percentage [21:12] ah, and you can't * that [21:12] (after all, the total can change) [21:13] ok, so only on the per-shard pages I suppose [21:14] oh, I could probably do it for ALL as well [21:14] ah [21:14] I thought you meant for all the numcopies of a single shard [21:14] no, I meant all [21:19] *** Start has quit IRC (Disconnected.) [21:19] http://iabak.archiveteam.org:8080/render/?width=1060&height=731&_salt=1428614348.871&from=-1weeks&areaMode=stacked&yMax=100&vtitle=%25&title=Overall%20progress%2C%20%25&target=legendValue%28alias%28color%28keepLastValue%28scale%28divideSeries%28diffSeries%28sumSeries%28iabak.shardstats.filecount.*%29%2CsumSeries%28iabak.shardstats.numcopies.0.*%2Ciabak.shardstats.numcopies.1.*%2Ciabak.shardstats.numcopies.2.*%29%29%2CsumS [21:20] some artifacts there [21:32] *** Start-mob has joined #internetarchive.bak [21:35] *** raylee has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:36] *** raylee has joined #internetarchive.bak [21:40] "File's last status change time" - is that ctime or mtime? [21:45] *** Start-mob has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 370 seconds) [21:56] *** zottelbey has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [23:02] hater: what's the context? [23:17] no artifacts: [23:17] http://iabak.archiveteam.org:8080/render/?width=1060&height=731&_salt=1428621391.124&target=legendValue%28alias%28color%28scale%28divideSeries%28diffSeries%28sumSeries%28keepLastValue%28iabak.shardstats.filecount.*%29%29%2CsumSeries%28keepLastValue%28iabak.shardstats.numcopies.0.*%29%2CkeepLastValue%28iabak.shardstats.numcopies.1.*%29%2CkeepLastValue%28iabak.shardstats.numcopies.2.*%29%29%29%2CsumSeries%28keepLastValue%28 [23:21] *** kyan has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [23:31] db48x: that last url was cut off again [23:33] http://tinyurl.com/lcvfyge [23:33] probably your client [23:34] *** Start has joined #internetarchive.bak [23:34] *** svchfoo2 sets mode: +o Start [23:37] hmm, I wonder if the connections graph could be overlaid on the percent graph [23:38] sure [23:38] you'll want the second y axis [23:39] demo me [23:45] http://tinyurl.com/p6r6kqw [23:46] in the UI you click Graph Data, then select a series and apply the Draw in Second Y Axis function to it [23:57] *** niyaje4 has joined #internetarchive.bak