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sep332 |
SketchCow: may I suggest linking to https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/IA.BAK/ or https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/IA.BAK/blob/master/README.md instead of that wiki page? |
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closure |
SketchCow: nice! |
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mattl____ |
threw up a VM with 500gb disk space to test this :) |
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closure |
hey mattl! |
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mattl |
hey! |
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closure is now known as joeyh |
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joeyh |
just to avoid confusion |
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mattl |
ahhh |
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mattl |
i was looking for you. |
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mattl |
joeyh: i like the message reminding me to make a cronjob and not just be lazy and run everything inside screen |
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joeyh |
well, it's a start |
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joeyh |
we need auto-cron, but it's hard to set that up in the right way for everyone |
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mattl |
i have 4 screens with ./iabak running in each one, let's see how that works. Bytemark have decent bandwidth, shouldn't take too long |
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pikhq |
I finally hit my space allocation so I've only got a cron job. |
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joeyh |
hmm, is BigV cheap enough to keep .5 tb spinning there? |
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mattl |
yep. |
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mattl |
20GBP a month or something like that. |
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joeyh |
bytemark may not have the best bw to the IA, it seems it can be slow outside the US |
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mattl |
well, this is a good test either way. CC is moving most things over to BigV. |
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mattl |
and we need to start talking to IA |
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SketchCow |
sep332: Fix the wiki |
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sep332 |
i added minimal steps to get started and a link to the readme for the rest |
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sep332 |
also the iabak script tells people to read the readme when you run it |
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SketchCow |
Nobody hopped on from this bit, I think |
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SketchCow |
I will now have to push it |
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iabak-reg |
05master 8e314b5 06other fast forward |
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joeyh |
hmm, not quite iabak-reg |
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iabak-reg |
03registrar 05master a8adff8 06other 10SHARD2/pubkeys registration of wdenton on SHARD2 |
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joeyh |
that's more like it! |
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iabak-reg |
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sep332 |
ooh |
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iabak-reg |
03registrar 05master 4a3edb9 06other 10SHARD2/pubkeys registration of archiveteam on SHARD2 |
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kalleboo |
hi. when I run iabak, my terminal fills up with "dirname: invalid option -- 'z'" |
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kalleboo |
this is with GNU coreutils 8.4 |
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joeyh |
and that is the problem. |
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joeyh |
workaround: touch IA.BAK/NOSHUF and restart |
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kalleboo |
ok cool |
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kalleboo |
yeah this is one of those "lying around doing one old thing" servers which isn't really eligible for upgrading everythig to the latest and greatest. it's on some quite-old distribution of centos |
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joeyh |
we could fix it with a perl command that reads stdin, breaks on \0 , truncates to the directory name, and outputs back out with \0 |
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garyrh |
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/33iz8b/that_time_archive_team_decided_to_back_up_the/ |
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yipdw |
what is with /r/DataHoarder and assholes |
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yipdw |
the correlation coefficient is almost 1 |
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garyrh |
1? That's not very high. |
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yipdw |
it is for the correlation coefficient |
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garyrh |
NOT HIGH. |
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yipdw |
you're right, that was two days ago |
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garyrh |
And the place where it's higher? HN. |
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db48x |
how can the correlation be higher than 1? |
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pikhq |
"They backed up 9.12 TB? I don't mean to be a party pooper but that doesn't seem impressive. |
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pikhq |
" |
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pikhq |
That... |
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pikhq |
That sounds like someone who isn't all that cognizant of what all that involves. |
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pikhq |
It's not like we had some guy with a small number of empty drives mash wget. |
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joeyh |
also, 9.1 * 3 |
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pikhq |
*nod* |
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DFJustin |
well it is /r/DataHoarder/ where there is a dude with a literal petabyte in his house |
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DFJustin |
(hi ohhdemgir) |
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DFJustin |
other forums might be more impressed |
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SketchCow |
It won't be impressive until the number spikes up past a petabyte |
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espes___ |
I'm confused how the ia.bak git annex server is setup |
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espes___ |
does it just have a local copy of all the shards or is stuff setup to use a remove backed by internetarchive s3 or something |
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espes___ |
remote* |
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iabak-reg |
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espes___ |
or are the files themselves backed by urls or something |
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db48x |
espes___: each shard is a git annex repository where each file is added using git annex addurl |
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espes___ |
oh neat |
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db48x |
if you do git annex whereis | less it'll show you where each file is located, including the url for the web remote |
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Senji |
Hmm, someone appears to have grabbed 2/3 of shard 2 overnight :-) |
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Senji |
AKA yay shard2 finished |
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SketchCow |
Hurrah |
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joeyh |
woooo |
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joeyh |
clients should be switching over to shard3 |
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iabak-reg |
03registrar 05master 9409bbf 06other 10SHARD1/pubkeys registration of id on SHARD1 |
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iabak-reg |
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iabak-reg |
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joeyh |
so shard2 took 10 days |
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SketchCow |
Right. Although we were quiet about it initially. |
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SketchCow |
We should probably set up the next 10 shards. |
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SketchCow |
or 5 at least. |
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SketchCow |
And is there scripting or contingency yet for the script to go "oh, there's more shards and I have more space" |
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joeyh |
there is, it needs a slight bit of dehardcoding to not just switch to shard3 though |
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SketchCow |
I'd say work on that, next. |
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SketchCow |
Then we can start making sure that people with space who show up aren't waiting for assignment. |
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SketchCow |
Obviously, as time goes on, people with multi-terabyte sets are going to help us hit larger and larger collections. |
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iabak-reg |
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joeyh |
SketchCow: any collection recs for new shards? |
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Senji |
I note that Shard 1 still doesn't have 100% >=3 backups (indeed it appears to have one file not backed up at all); is there anything going on to deal with that? |
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Senji |
Shard 2 currently shows 100% >=3 so is comparatively in better shape |
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SketchCow |
joeyh: I'll ping you with them |
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joeyh |
so, I think we'll soon be able to configure git-annex like so: ((balanced_amoung(backup) and not (copies=backup:3)) or present |
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joeyh |
and the files will be spread amoung the repos in a balanced way, w/o resorting to randomness like we do now |
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joeyh |
and without the extra copies some files get now |
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joeyh |
(well, with less of them anyhow) |
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swebb |
So I'm still downloading files for SHARD2, but it looks to be 100% backed up now. Will the git-annex stuff be smart enough to start me downloading SHARD3? |
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joeyh |
it should switch you over, yes |
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swebb |
ok |
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joeyh |
there might be a little period where your client hasn't heard in from the others that shard2 is done and does a little extra downloading |
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joeyh |
db48x: hey, I see you installed fail2ban on the server. any particular reason? |
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joeyh |
I'm unclined to just disable all password auth, but let clients connect as often as they like |
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joeyh |
heey, this might explain some of the spikes in the graph, if a client got banned for a while |
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iabak-reg |
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lhobas |
seems to work fine on OS X :) |
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phuzion |
iabak does not work on freenas, is this known? |
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phuzion |
(freenas is BSD based, I know) |
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joeyh |
there's no git-annex build for it, that'd be the first problem |
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phuzion |
ok, just wanted to make sure I wasn't going crazy |
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ersi |
well, you're using BSD so you can't be too sure |
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phuzion |
Hah |
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iabak-reg |
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phuzion |
Hey guys, I'm getting the following error, any ideas? http://pastebin.com/Tv3n79Yh |
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phuzion |
Should I just delete the files in question and rerun ./iabak? |
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Senji2 |
mmm, fscking shard2. Guess it's time to setup cronjob on cleopatra |
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joeyh |
phuzion: hmm, I wonder if your repository is in direct mode? |
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joeyh |
you could run git reset --hard in there |
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phuzion |
I nuked it, I'm gonna try again |
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joeyh |
don't know why a file would be changed though |
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joeyh |
wait one sec |
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joeyh |
you don't want to commit a deletion of that file |
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joeyh |
so git reset --hard |
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phuzion |
The original directory's already gone, sorry. |
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phuzion |
I'm starting from scratch. |
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joeyh |
oh, ok |
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joeyh |
oh, this is on freebsd? |
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phuzion |
nope |
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phuzion |
centos 7 |
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joeyh |
what filesystem? |
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phuzion |
i'm saving to an NFS share if that makes any difference |
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iabak-reg |
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phuzion |
that's me re-registering |
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joeyh |
nfs is gonna be flakey one way or another |
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phuzion |
Bummer |
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phuzion |
Flaky as in I shouldn't bother with it? |
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joeyh |
depends, I've never seen it flake out this way before |
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phuzion |
out of curiosity, what kind of network performance are you seeing when you're pulling objects? |
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phuzion |
I'm getting about 200KiB/s |
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Senji2 |
sounds about right |
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joeyh |
that's on the low end. I'd say run concurrent iabak, but that is known to not be wise on nfs |
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Senji2 |
I can max out my adsl with 10 copies |
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phuzion |
Would iSCSI perform better? |
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lhobas |
gut feeling: concurrent ./iabak on OS X performs poorly due to lack of shuf? (lots of "transfer already in progress") |
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joeyh |
lhobas: it'll tend to contend with itself like that yes. |
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Senji2 |
on linux with NOSHUF that doesn't slow things down much |
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joeyh |
makes it do a bit more work to find each file |
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Senji2 |
yeah, but most of thr time you're downloading 300+MB files at 200kB/s rather than finding a new file |
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lhobas |
seeing lots of small files and contending atm with (beginning of) shard3 |
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sep332 |
wow <10% of the files are IA-only now |
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Senji2 |
if the files are primarily small tgen you might be better off running one copy until you get to some bigger ones |
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Senji2 |
depending how big 'small' is |
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lhobas |
Senji2: doing that for now |
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lhobas |
any chance of changing the hostname that is synced through git-annex? (and showing up in http://iabak.archiveteam.org/stats/SHARD3.leaderboard etc) Did not consider how it might leak personal info |
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Senji2 |
for shard2 I got a bit over a TB with concurrent NOSHUF, but my machine running shard3 has a working readlink so I don't know what 3 is like in that regard. |
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joeyh |
lhobas: just cd SHARDn; git annex describe . whatever |
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joeyh |
moar red :) |
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phuzion |
joeyh: I might be able to throw like 2-3TB at this if I can figure out iSCSI on this NAS |
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Senji2 |
job for next week is to see how much of the spare disk pile still works :) |
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iabak-reg |
03registrar 05master 948a90f 06other 10SHARD4/pubkeys registration of sean.palmer on SHARD4 |
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Atluxity |
I am having a hard time doing the math behind this project |
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Atluxity |
do we intend this to be cold storage, or online? |
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Senji2 |
nearline/online |
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iabak-reg |
03registrar 05master d682f2b 06other 10SHARD3/pubkeys registration of primus1024 on SHARD3 |
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Kazzy |
lhobas: for changing your hostname, cd into the shard directory, then run 'git annex describe . <infohere>' |
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lhobas |
fixed it, thanks joeyh & Kazzy |
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Kazzy |
oh right, didn't see message from joeyh between commit messages, heh |
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primus102 |
Hi, can someone help me with a problem running ./iabak? When it starts it keeps showing msg: dirname: invalid option -- 'z' |
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primus102 |
Try `dirname --help' for more information. |
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Senji |
touching the NOSHUF file in your IA.BAK folder will stop that (but also stop it shuffling the order of downloads) |
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primus |
thanks, so if i understand correctly it's not a serious error msg and it's ok to leave it working like that? |
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trs80 |
correct |
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primus |
thank you |
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iabak-reg |
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