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00:14 🔗 iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 7fb51d5 06other 10SHARD7/pubkeys registration of koos303 on SHARD7
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00:45 🔗 Senji grr, I don't like wget -q --show-progress
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00:53 🔗 Senji closure: you've broken git annex sync :-( -- it's telling ssh to find id_rsa in .git/annex/id_rsa; but it has a CWD of .git at that point so it can't find it.
00:55 🔗 Senji (I have patched this with a .git symlink in my .git
00:55 🔗 Senji (so I can git while I git))
00:59 🔗 closure er? I haven't changed anything
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00:59 🔗 closure also, why would it have a cwd of .git? Not normal afaik
01:02 🔗 Senji http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11422109/ is what I'm seeing
01:03 🔗 Senji It stopped working sometime in the last, umm 18 hours or so
01:07 🔗 closure others seem to be sending info fine, so unless someone else reports the same problem, my guess is that something is broken on your system
01:08 🔗 Senji I'm not sure what could be broken to cause the symptoms; since it's all using the shimmed versions. I guess I could delete git-annex.linux and re-download it
01:13 🔗 closure I would expect this to happen if you ran something that runs git-annex sync in .git; not otherwise
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01:19 🔗 Senji If I try running sync manually I get: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11422289/
01:30 🔗 closure well, I don't reproduce that in a test bench
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02:16 🔗 Senji Hmm, I've fixed it; but I'm none the wiser
02:18 🔗 Senji Sorry for the accusation, and thanks ofr the help :(
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02:29 🔗 yipdw wtf
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02:30 🔗 yipdw is this normal or is this someone running a loop where they didn't mean to
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02:35 🔗 pikhq That seems really abusive.
02:53 🔗 closure Senji: my best guess is you had a background ssh, used for connection caching, that was somehow started in .git .. and was used by the git-annex processes that were not themselves in .git
02:54 🔗 closure hmm, that bas+at.. I noticed gitlab was down about an hour ago
02:54 🔗 closure probably caused his reg to fail, and he retried until it worked
03:02 🔗 closure oh, also, checkssh() retries on its wn
03:12 🔗 closure SketchCow: http://iabak.archiveteam.org/SHARD8.html
03:15 🔗 tpw_rules already? good lord
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06:03 🔗 lhobas_ That was me, while I was asleep
06:03 🔗 lhobas_ No malicious intent, was a long running iabak process
06:03 🔗 lhobas_ Think we've found a race condition ;)
06:06 🔗 db48x fun :)
06:11 🔗 lhobas_ not really sure why iabak tried to checkout shard7, I ran out of disk space in shard6
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09:02 🔗 midas almost 100 clients \o/
09:02 🔗 midas and we passed the 3M GET
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10:56 🔗 closure lhobas: I wonder if your shard had annex.diskreserve set?
10:56 🔗 closure iabak checks if the shard it's finished (or failed to finish) has that set, and if so, checks available disk space before starting a new shard
10:56 🔗 closure but if not set, it doesn't check disk space
10:57 🔗 closure or, perhaps you don't have the numfmt tool, which it uses in the disk space check..
11:10 🔗 lhobas_ closure: I did have annex.diskreserve=300G set, also copied over automatically from shard to shard, not quite sure what happened
11:10 🔗 lhobas_ tmux scrollbuffer overflowed, did not keep logs :/
11:11 🔗 closure take a look at the iabak-helper function stillhavespace
11:12 🔗 lhobas_ no numfmt to be found on the dumb Mac OS, ofc :')
11:12 🔗 closure that'd be it, then
11:16 🔗 lhobas_ homebrew, the resident package manager for Mac OS, does offer gnu coreutils as a package, yet prefixes the utils with 'g' to prevent collisions
11:17 🔗 lhobas_ would it be worth it to add some instructions in the README to install that package, and try 'gnumfmt'?
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14:01 🔗 iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 4eeb776 06other 10SHARD7/pubkeys registration of nicolas on SHARD7
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14:13 🔗 tpw_rules bug: it seems that if the fsck cron job downloads a new git annex standalone, it crashes the iabak scripts running
14:14 🔗 closure hmm, I guess that's because git-annex is rm -rf's out from under the script
14:14 🔗 closure please file it on github
14:15 🔗 tpw_rules k
14:23 🔗 tpw_rules is it wrong to paste like 15 lines of log in the bug or should i put it on pastebin
14:33 🔗 * closure pastes 15 lines anywhere
14:34 🔗 mariusz closure: is iabak running annex in direct mode?
14:36 🔗 closure no
14:37 🔗 closure well, it might if run on a filesystem that doesn't support symlinks
14:40 🔗 mariusz oh ok. I was asking because I was wondering about bad actors, where bad actor is not user like me, but someone gaining access to the "main" repo and somehow requesting every copy to be deleted.. Possible?
15:15 🔗 db48x https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/IA.BAK/blob/server/hooks/update
15:15 🔗 db48x :)
15:20 🔗 Senji Incidently I'm now a happy git annex user outside of iabak too :-)
15:23 🔗 db48x awesome :)
15:24 🔗 db48x closure: so for the bug that tpw just reported, I think taking a shared lock on .iabak-install-git-annex every time we run git annex is the way we have to go
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15:57 🔗 Senji Is there a git annex command for "make numcopies satisified for all files and I don't care how you do it"?
16:37 🔗 SketchCow IABAK Broke 100 Clients!!
16:39 🔗 pikhq Hurrah.
16:42 🔗 SketchCow closure: It appears that the "size of virtual drive" number is off.
16:46 🔗 db48x hmm:
16:46 🔗 db48x error: Untracked working tree file 'computermagazines/64er_magazine/64er_magazine_archive.torrent' would be overwritten by merge.
16:46 🔗 db48x fatal: read-tree failed
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16:52 🔗 iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 93d8e2c 06other 10SHARD8/pubkeys registration of derek on SHARD8
16:53 🔗 lysol that's me!
16:53 🔗 db48x :)
16:56 🔗 SketchCow Welcome!
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17:19 🔗 closure Senji: git annex get --auto
17:21 🔗 Senji 'git annex get --auto' will get any files that are short on numcopies to here; but what I want to do is make any files that are here copied to other repos such that they have enough copies
17:24 🔗 Senji so I can do 'git annex copy --to <somewhere> --auto' but then I have to care about what <somewhere>s are available
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17:32 🔗 mariusz does any one know what will happen when client's iabak is downloading data, but the shard is put into maintenance mode? Like with current shard6 it will most likely be done before I'm our of space, will the system automatically switch to shard7 or should I just restart the app at some point ?
17:32 🔗 Senji Once there's nothing more to download it will checkout another random active shard
17:33 🔗 Senji I think that'll be a random selection out of { shard7 } at the moment :)
17:36 🔗 mariusz good, I will leave my comp at work running :)
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18:15 🔗 closure Senji: ah, use git annex sync --content
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18:20 🔗 SketchCow closure: We should discuss what's working and what's not
18:20 🔗 hendi_ what's the plan for disaster recovery, i.e. IA goes down... emaling everyone and hope that at least for each file respond, and upload their files somehow somewhere?
18:21 🔗 SketchCow hendi_: Yes
18:21 🔗 SketchCow That is the current plan.
18:21 🔗 SketchCow It needs refinement
18:21 🔗 SketchCow But yes
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18:21 🔗 tpw_rules huh git locked up on me
18:22 🔗 SketchCow Also: Nuke takes out SF, we all go to closure's cabins bringing offering of guns and butter
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18:22 🔗 SketchCow it's foolproof
18:22 🔗 hendi_ (wrong key...)
18:22 🔗 hendi_ okay, thanks for the answer
18:22 🔗 db48x heh
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18:24 🔗 db48x the plan is fancier than that, but that is all we've implemented so far
18:26 🔗 SketchCow Yes, we're still working out bugs and avoiding using assumptions as data
18:27 🔗 db48x yep
18:27 🔗 tpw_rules blah i don't think syncing is scaling very well
18:29 🔗 SketchCow What matters to me is that three verified, known copies of the collections added so far are in physical locations away from the IA property.
18:29 🔗 SketchCow That is legions better than 90 days ago.
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18:31 🔗 SketchCow People in this channel have generally heard this from me thematically, but I generally believe that instead of "How should it be done" we are better off with "what the fuck did we just do"
18:32 🔗 tpw_rules lol somebody in shard8 is running as root
18:32 🔗 SketchCow When this project was proposed, I had academics and other folks say "no u are doing it wrong u need to xxxxxxxxx"
18:32 🔗 SketchCow I'd rather we find out where flaws are. How many bugfixes to git-annex has this caused?
18:33 🔗 db48x several, yes
18:39 🔗 pikhq And frankly it seems like as though git-annex is a decent fit for this, even if it has needed bug fixes or features added for it. :)
18:39 🔗 Senji tpw_rules: I think shard6 is going to turn out to be an unusually busy shard by number of users
18:41 🔗 Senji Remember that in the long term there are going to be hundreds of shards :)
18:41 🔗 db48x thousands
18:44 🔗 SketchCow I believe the number was ... 1440?
18:44 🔗 db48x 1770, if ever one has 100k files
18:44 🔗 SketchCow But bear in mind ALSO that means ALL public data
18:45 🔗 SketchCow Some of which, meh
18:45 🔗 SketchCow I'd feel bad making people use that stuff
18:45 🔗 db48x heh
18:46 🔗 SketchCow In the long, long term (which the way we're doing things, what, July?) we might have encrypted shards.
18:46 🔗 SketchCow But not definite
18:47 🔗 sep332 to back up non-public data?
18:50 🔗 mariusz SketchCow: currently each shard has some specific data, bundled together, stored at IA+3 places.. it will be harder to do but maybe it would also be good to have mixed shards stored at at least few places.. so when user dedicates the hd space, they will get some data from every shard that exists, just to spread the risks even firther
18:50 🔗 mariusz *further
18:52 🔗 mariusz so instead of dedicating 10tb of storage space to just one shard, i will be dedicating 10tb/1770 to each
18:59 🔗 SketchCow I suspect that will happen
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19:15 🔗 db48x ok, I've got a patch that does shared locks
19:15 🔗 db48x seems to work
19:21 🔗 db48x oh, except for that bug
19:55 🔗 iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 43b7600 06other 10SHARD8/pubkeys registration of db48x iabak on SHARD8
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21:48 🔗 closure bear in mind that my estimate for the size of all the git repo data is somewhere in the 500 gb - 1 tb range ..
21:52 🔗 db48x closure: I just saw that if it runs out of space while downloading a shard it will still go on to another new shard
21:52 🔗 closure there's a check, but it may be broken, or perhaps doesn't notice if it was almost out of space and so gave up
21:56 🔗 lhobas_ (confirmed broken on Mac OS)
22:02 🔗 db48x closure: shared locks: https://github.com/db48x/IA.BAK/commit/db62b2275f249d2252c9866df3e3596449214d60
22:04 🔗 closure been up since 5 am, so *pass* ...
22:04 🔗 db48x ok :)
22:10 🔗 Senji Hmm, maybe I want to shim the shimmed wget
22:12 🔗 Senji What I want is the functionality of multiple simultaneous downloads but with progress bars for each of them
22:12 🔗 Senji Which could be done with tmux panes
22:12 🔗 db48x git annex nearly has that
22:12 🔗 closure still waiting on my progress bar guy to fix around 5 needed issues
22:13 🔗 Senji Oh, great :-)
22:14 🔗 Senji I'll stick with multiple single downloads for now then

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