#internetarchive.bak 2016-11-15,Tue

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00:02 πŸ”— db48x doh, good questions just as my train is boarding
00:02 πŸ”— db48x the status use your email address
00:02 πŸ”— db48x stats
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00:04 πŸ”— dingo I have to go to sleep but I'll keep looking into this tomorrow! and on a preperly hardend VM ;)
00:04 πŸ”— dingo properly*
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02:06 πŸ”— closure ok, so systemd has shat itself on the server, is not doing basic init stuff like process reaping
02:07 πŸ”— closure rebooted, that seems better
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03:07 πŸ”— Xibalba does anyone have experience running a node on a Raspberry Pi?
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03:47 πŸ”— SketchCow Verified, someone with up to 1pb of storage is joining the set
03:47 πŸ”— SketchCow Assuming it goes smoothly and we're not running into any other related speedbumps, that will give us... a boost
03:48 πŸ”— closure fantastic
03:48 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes.
03:49 πŸ”— closure that will probably involve enough shards that the server will need more disk space (or additional server nodes)
03:49 πŸ”— SketchCow I want to hit boundaries all over, yes
03:49 πŸ”— SketchCow So, whatever server was providing that hit on 8080 seems not to be up yet.
03:50 πŸ”— closure yeah, I looked at that, and fixed one problem with graphite, but let's see if db45x can fix the remaining issue
03:50 πŸ”— SketchCow I think yipdw can do it as well as db
03:51 πŸ”— closure /dev/sda3 117G 87G 28G 76% /
03:53 πŸ”— closure 23G of that is junk in my home directory, but yeah, it's filling up
03:53 πŸ”— closure around 1 gb per shard on the server, more or less (including the extra clone of the repo used for stats generation)
03:55 πŸ”— SketchCow Interesting. really.
03:55 πŸ”— closure oops, that df is my laptop :)
03:55 πŸ”— closure /dev/simfs 80G 48G 33G 60% /
03:55 πŸ”— SketchCow Do you need us to 1. Find another server 2. Put in cash for a drive expansion
03:56 πŸ”— closure kenshin might just be able to bump the disk, he's providing the server free
03:56 πŸ”— SketchCow If we have to throw some cash at Kenshin, I'm sure we can do something
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04:10 πŸ”— closure aha, more downgrading "fixed" the graphite server
04:11 πŸ”— closure we have graphs again. Need moar red. 100x more
04:18 πŸ”— SketchCow Thank you
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04:28 πŸ”— SketchCow ================================================================
04:28 πŸ”— SketchCow https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/5cxtfl/a_plea_to_datahoarders_to_lend_space_for_the/
04:28 πŸ”— SketchCow It is now bringing up requests/questions about our startup scripts.
04:29 πŸ”— SketchCow Can people step in and begin to help them?
04:29 πŸ”— SketchCow ================================================================
04:38 πŸ”— Kenshin bumped to 120GB for now
04:38 πŸ”— Kenshin host server runs SSDs so space is a bit of a premium
04:38 πŸ”— Kenshin closure
04:38 πŸ”— closure dood
04:59 πŸ”— thelsdj any suggestions on trying to get this fixed? https://git-annex.branchable.com/bugs/git-annex_won__39__t_execute_on_WD_My_Cloud_NAS/ as far as i can tell its not a known issue with haskell so might need to be reported upstream
05:40 πŸ”— closure adjusted page size to 32 kb for tonight's build, may fix it
05:41 πŸ”— closure (in 12 hours or so)
05:45 πŸ”— thelsdj great, i'll give it a try tomorrow
05:50 πŸ”— closure they seem to have found a unique way to fuck over their users
05:50 πŸ”— closure reading elsewhere that the page size might be 64k
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05:51 πŸ”— thelsdj what was it previously set to or what was the default if it wasn't set?
05:52 πŸ”— thelsdj i have a Drobo and this: http://www.drobo.com/drobo-solutions/drobo-apps/droboapps-sdk/ says its 16k
05:52 πŸ”— closure it's 4k everywhere
05:52 πŸ”— closure except there
05:52 πŸ”— closure try getconf PAGESIZE
05:52 πŸ”— thelsdj i don't have getconf, might be somewhere in /proc, looking
05:54 πŸ”— thelsdj yep, seems to be 16k
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13:08 πŸ”— Zippit Where can I register?
13:17 πŸ”— Jon you run the ./iabak script to register, details on that at http://iabak.archiveteam.org
13:17 πŸ”— Jon Zippit: oh better link http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK/git-annex_implementation
13:18 πŸ”— Zippit I'm already on http://iabak.archiveteam.org/stats/ALL.leaderboard-raw
13:18 πŸ”— Zippit Does that imply I'm registed?
13:19 πŸ”— Jon I think so yes
13:19 πŸ”— Zippit Cool, just making sure. :) Thanks Jon
13:19 πŸ”— Jon I think it's derived from the email you provided when you ran the script ;there's no account per-se, or password, or 2FA or any of that stuff
13:20 πŸ”— * Jon is not on the leaderboard, for unknown reasons
13:21 πŸ”— Zippit I was just wondering why the "Top 25" had different names then the raw list
13:25 πŸ”— Zippit I figured I'd had to register somewhere
13:28 πŸ”— kurt Yeah, I think that's something we need to look at in the future, letting people pick a username
13:48 πŸ”— Zippit No biggy, as long as my work gets registered. :)
13:48 πŸ”— Zippit Not that I download TB's of data and it's for nothing
13:50 πŸ”— Jon afaik it just takes the local pat from your email
13:50 πŸ”— Jon I probably broke something by including a +
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15:59 πŸ”— SketchCow So
15:59 πŸ”— SketchCow We get 1pb of disk space
15:59 πŸ”— SketchCow But it has a REST API and some interface
16:00 πŸ”— SketchCow I believe it's worth doing the effort needed to do this
16:00 πŸ”— SketchCow So I'll probably have someone here, with experience, add this 1pb share to their box
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16:12 πŸ”— SketchCow OK, they're registering my account, it'll be granted 1pb of space
16:13 πŸ”— PurpleSym This one? https://storj.io/api.html
16:13 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes
16:25 πŸ”— SketchCow Tech Support Request: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/5cxtfl/a_plea_to_datahoarders_to_lend_space_for_the/da0vp2j/
16:26 πŸ”— PurpleSym Well, technically the REST API’s not even required, since they have a CLI tool for up/downloading, which can be configured as β€œspecial remote” with some bash magic.
16:27 πŸ”— closure PurpleSym: indeed, that is the way to do
16:27 πŸ”— closure just needs a simple shell script.. and some node close to the IP that can push a PB of data onto that network
16:30 πŸ”— closure by IP I mean IA
16:33 πŸ”— SketchCow The datahoarders interaction has gone well.
16:33 πŸ”— SketchCow Just two under the title of "I have a Grand Design Idea"
16:33 πŸ”— SketchCow And a lot of people offering help
16:56 πŸ”— Mephisto I'm upgraidin my storage next month :) ill make sure to add some extra disks
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16:59 πŸ”— komarEX hello everyone
17:01 πŸ”— Kaz hello
17:02 πŸ”— SketchCow Heyyyyy
17:02 πŸ”— komarEX I have a question regarding iabak scripts
17:02 πŸ”— SketchCow Go for it
17:03 πŸ”— komarEX I have turned them on and now I'm at Resolving deltas just after register on shard4
17:03 πŸ”— komarEX it's doing quite a IO on my disk
17:03 πŸ”— komarEX it's not downloading right now right ?
17:03 πŸ”— closure it's regular git cloneing stuff, big repo so it will take a while
17:04 πŸ”— closure that's more or less a one-off cost
17:05 πŸ”— komarEX right.. I should have took a look on Google before asking here
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17:09 πŸ”— komarEX for now I guess I will contribute about 700GB
17:09 πŸ”— komarEX later on maybe I will throw in additional 2-3TB
17:09 πŸ”— SketchCow Always appreciated
17:10 πŸ”— komarEX is it possible to run same private keys on 2 different machines ?
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17:12 πŸ”— closure komarEX: just give the same email address, the key is per-repo
17:12 πŸ”— komarEX closure: oh is it, ok
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17:15 πŸ”— komarEX deltas take 360 IOPS of my raid huh
17:15 πŸ”— * closure welcomes iabak-reg back to the channel..
17:15 πŸ”— Kaz ooh, notifications
17:15 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master c494453 06other fast forward
17:15 πŸ”— closure broke a while ago when the irc server it was using vanished
17:15 πŸ”— SketchCow I love that guy
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19:54 πŸ”— SketchCow gotcha. Then our storage boxes should work well, we support FreeBSD and Linux variants. Config would be:
19:54 πŸ”— SketchCow -8 core proc
19:55 πŸ”— SketchCow -64GB RAM
19:55 πŸ”— SketchCow -2 x 480GB SSD
19:55 πŸ”— SketchCow -12 x 8TB
19:55 πŸ”— SketchCow -JBOD setup
19:55 πŸ”— SketchCow 96tb chunks would be nice
19:55 πŸ”— SketchCow -20gbps network port
19:55 πŸ”— SketchCow (Mail from another person)
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20:02 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 9f54e0f 06other 10SHARD3/pubkeys registration of kevin on SHARD3
20:02 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master d6be8a4 06other 10SHARD9/pubkeys registration of sevs44936-iabak on SHARD9
20:05 πŸ”— SketchCow IA.BAK is at 106 clients
20:06 πŸ”— komarEX r/DataHoarders does it's deal
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20:07 πŸ”— komarEX each shard is about 1TB right?
20:08 πŸ”— db48x komarEX: most are a bit larger than that
20:09 πŸ”— db48x komarEX: why do you ask?
20:09 πŸ”— SketchCow It ranges wildly.
20:09 πŸ”— SketchCow At this juncture, sub 500gb is asking for a lot of people who are only semi-up for dealing with CLI and the rest.
20:09 πŸ”— SketchCow Plus the increments will be relatively slow
20:12 πŸ”— komarEX db48x: curious, eventually there will be a lot of shards :)
20:12 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes
20:12 πŸ”— SketchCow YESSSSS
20:12 πŸ”— SketchCow We know
20:12 πŸ”— SketchCow A good FAQ question
20:12 πŸ”— db48x komarEX: a fair number of them, yes
20:13 πŸ”— komarEX Today backblaze posted Q3 disks summary
20:13 πŸ”— komarEX they are at 300PB of storage right now
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20:17 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 4d27249 06other 10SHARD4/pubkeys registration of chris on SHARD4
20:18 πŸ”— Frogging that's crazy
20:18 πŸ”— phuzion 300PB of consumer-grade disks at that.
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20:47 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master f7af6ff 06other 10SHARD4/pubkeys registration of ojbmmxv on SHARD4
20:59 πŸ”— n00b295 I recently started trying to do the backup but when I run iabak it gets to where it pull origin but fails with "fatal: refusing to merge unrelated histories", am I just missing something simple?
21:00 πŸ”— db48x n00b295: can you show us the log?
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21:05 πŸ”— n00b295 db48x: I just put the output at http://pastebin.com/qNzHw2pD
21:09 πŸ”— db48x what directory are you in?
21:09 πŸ”— n00b295 IA.BAK
21:10 πŸ”— db48x is it not a git repository?
21:11 πŸ”— n00b295 I cloned the git repository like the quickstart showed and then went into it and tried to run the iabak script
21:12 πŸ”— db48x you must have had some problem the first time you ran it, and it's now in a bad state
21:12 πŸ”— komarEX n00b295: didn't you by any chance canceled script when you first started it ?
21:13 πŸ”— n00b295 don't think it got canceled when first started
21:13 πŸ”— n00b295 should i just start over and try again?
21:13 πŸ”— komarEX hm I would say rm -rf and again
21:13 πŸ”— n00b295 will do
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21:24 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master ae8ccd1 06other 10SHARD16/pubkeys registration of ojbmmxv on SHARD16
21:25 πŸ”— Meroje I have that unrelated problem too, it consistently does it every single time I start fresh
21:25 πŸ”— Meroje unrelated histories problem
21:25 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 7e43cdd 06other 10SHARD15/pubkeys registration of fusl on SHARD15
21:27 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 1c2cf86 06other 10SHARD14/pubkeys registration of abuse on SHARD14
21:31 πŸ”— db48x Meroje: to make debugging easier, can you edit iabak-helper to include set -x at the top?
21:31 πŸ”— db48x then capture the entire log, starting from scratch
21:31 πŸ”— Meroje I tried downgrading to git 1.7 in case it was to do with newer defaults
21:32 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master cdf340a 06other 10SHARD15/pubkeys registration of meroje on SHARD15
21:33 πŸ”— Meroje last command was ./checkoutshard shard15, I will add the flag there too
21:33 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 07d7940 06other 10SHARD3/pubkeys registration of ojbmmxv on SHARD3
21:36 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 7147e88 06other 10SHARD10/pubkeys registration of ojbmmxv on SHARD10
21:37 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master ef496ac 06other 10SHARD15/pubkeys registration of abuse on SHARD15
21:39 πŸ”— Meroje so, with no shards but existing IA.BAK https://zerobin.lagout.org/?9fa35a9812f4fddd#O39xuzBrnuu3jorIUNLCd+AjERlazntWkEPGCCD/4lI=
21:42 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 9250d94 06other 10SHARD4/pubkeys registration of mitch on SHARD4
21:43 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master f41e9de 06other 10SHARD16/pubkeys registration of meroje on SHARD16
21:44 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 2e0969c 06other 10SHARD3/pubkeys registration of meroje on SHARD3
21:45 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 4f8b4b0 06other 10SHARD4/pubkeys registration of abuse on SHARD4
21:48 πŸ”— db48x Meroje: hmm
21:50 πŸ”— Meroje shard3 failed from the remote "remote: aborting due to possible repository corruption on the remote side.", I'll assume it's unrelated
21:50 πŸ”— db48x Meroje: what filesystem are you using?
21:50 πŸ”— Meroje nfs on zfs
21:51 πŸ”— db48x ugh, nfs
21:52 πŸ”— Meroje smb was not happy with cp preserving permissions
21:53 πŸ”— db48x this is a question closure can answer
21:53 πŸ”— db48x I don't know how direct-mode and indirect-mode repositories are supposed to interact
21:53 πŸ”— SketchCow NFS SOLVES EVERYTHING
21:53 πŸ”— db48x but you might try it on a non-crippled filesystem, even if you don't have enough space there to run it long-term
21:53 πŸ”— Kaz nfs is a steaming pile of shit
21:54 πŸ”— Kaz Meroje: I've got nfs working through zfs, sort of
21:54 πŸ”— SketchCow Now now
21:54 πŸ”— Meroje I might end up running on ext4 and iscsi from that zfs pool
21:54 πŸ”— SketchCow NFS is to computing like wooden cars are to cars
21:55 πŸ”— Kaz Meroje: maproot user set to root, mount via /etc/fstab, sudo ./iabak
21:55 πŸ”— Meroje yes that's what I have
21:55 πŸ”— Kaz 192.168.1.103:/mnt/red/IABAK /media/kurt/IABAK nfs rw,nfsvers=3,async,hard,intr,noacl 0 0
21:55 πŸ”— Kaz forcing version 3 solved some other issues for me
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21:55 πŸ”— Meroje I will try your fstab options
21:57 πŸ”— Meroje now it's doing shard16 again, same unrelated histories error
21:58 πŸ”— Kaz if you don't have much in there, delete and start again?
21:58 πŸ”— Meroje doing that now
21:58 πŸ”— octobyte Hey there, I'm attempting to run the bash scripts provided on the GitHub using FreeBSD on my spare NAS space. I'm unable to begin downloading shards because I *think* my ssh key is being rejected? Not quite sure. I have an RSA 4096 key in my ~/.ssh directory. Getting warning message "Warning: Identity file -i not accessible: No such file or directory." when manually executing ./checkoutshard shard10
21:58 πŸ”— octobyte Sorry for the interrupt
21:58 πŸ”— db48x octobyte: the iabak script creates a key for you to use specifically with iabak
21:59 πŸ”— db48x octobyte: since it couldn't access it, that must have failed
21:59 πŸ”— octobyte Ah right, okay. I don't think I saw that key get generated
22:00 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 2e00748 06other 10SHARD12/pubkeys registration of meroje on SHARD12
22:00 πŸ”— octobyte db48x: Let me run ./iabak from a clean git clone again and I'll pop up a pastebin of the output
22:00 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 2fee4c7 06other 10SHARD15/pubkeys registration of ojbmmxv on SHARD15
22:00 πŸ”— Meroje well now every new file belongs to root, so cp fails
22:00 πŸ”— octobyte Ah there we go
22:01 πŸ”— octobyte ojbmmxv is me
22:01 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master a5076ee 06other 10SHARD3/pubkeys registration of meroje on SHARD3
22:02 πŸ”— octobyte Ok something failed on L35 flock.pl. I'm guessing this is just FreeBSD junk not getting added to /bin/
22:02 πŸ”— Meroje is it missing CGI octobyte ?
22:02 πŸ”— octobyte Meroje: I had to manually install it for p5
22:03 πŸ”— octobyte "No such file or directory at /root/IA.BAK/flock.pl line 35."
22:03 πŸ”— octobyte L35 is opening a file
22:04 πŸ”— octobyte "open(FH, '>', $file) || die($!);"
22:04 πŸ”— octobyte I don't know a word of perl
22:04 πŸ”— db48x what was the actual error?
22:04 πŸ”— Meroje I think the first time .git/annex folder does not exist yet, I get warnings from flock about that
22:04 πŸ”— octobyte Let me pastebin everything so you can get a better look, 1 sec
22:05 πŸ”— db48x then something must have failed even further up :P
22:05 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 5d545a3 06other 10SHARD4/pubkeys registration of octobyt3 on SHARD4
22:06 πŸ”— closure git 2.7.4 made a change preventing merging of unrelated histories.
22:07 πŸ”— db48x even in an empty repository?
22:07 πŸ”— octobyte http://pastebin.com/raw/FXTANudg
22:07 πŸ”— closure yes, it's a bad decision
22:07 πŸ”— Meroje that might be the exact version I picked when downgrading, whoops
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22:07 πŸ”— Meroje yes
22:08 πŸ”— Meroje I'm compiling again then
22:08 πŸ”— closure so, checkoutshard does make an empty repo and then add a remote and so that's probably triggering that git behavior change
22:09 πŸ”— octobyte Mine does make an empty repo, yeah
22:11 πŸ”— closure but, if there's no master branch at all in the newly inited repo, it should not fall afoul of the unrelated histories check
22:11 πŸ”— Meroje there is a master branch
22:12 πŸ”— closure hmm, is it using direct mode for your repository?
22:12 πŸ”— Meroje I never used git annex standalone, how do I get that info ?
22:12 πŸ”— closure yeah, I think I've reproed it using direct mode
22:13 πŸ”— closure git annex info | head -n 1
22:13 πŸ”— Meroje repository mode: direct
22:13 πŸ”— thelsdj closure: has armel nightly build happened yet since you changed page size?
22:14 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master bdb55b0 06other 10SHARD4/pubkeys registration of meroje on SHARD4
22:14 πŸ”— Xibalba does iabak work with multiple drives on a single system? or do they need to be in a single volume?
22:14 πŸ”— Meroje trying with git 2.7.3
22:17 πŸ”— closure thelsdj: I think it failed for an unrelated reason
22:18 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master a597b48 06other 10SHARD16/pubkeys registration of octobyt3 on SHARD16
22:23 πŸ”— thelsdj something you can fix and kick off again or do i need to wait to tomorrow or should i follow up with someone else to get the unrelated issue fixed?
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22:26 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 04e9555 06other 10SHARD16/pubkeys registration of octobyt3 on SHARD16
22:26 πŸ”— closure couldn't see a way to fix the unrelated histories merge in iabak, so I've fixed it in git-annex
22:26 πŸ”— closure next daily build will have the fix
22:27 πŸ”— closure pity, they never added a git config option to disable that check..
22:27 πŸ”— Meroje I'm still having failure with git 1.7.3, I'll wait on the daily build then
22:28 πŸ”— closure 2.7.3 might still have the check; the version they added it at was somewhere around there
22:28 πŸ”— closure anyway, iabak pulls down a git-annex tarball that includes its own copy of git
22:29 πŸ”— Meroje oh, didn't see that one
22:29 πŸ”— closure delete that from git-annex.linux and it'll use your system git
22:35 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 14654dc 06other 10SHARD3/pubkeys registration of octobyt3 on SHARD3
22:35 πŸ”— octobyte Sod it I'll just install a different distro
22:36 πŸ”— closure Xibalba: each SHARD directory can be put on a different drive
22:37 πŸ”— closure but unless you manually move them, it only uses the drive where you have cloned the IA.BAK git repo to
22:39 πŸ”— iabak-reg 03registrar 05master 0757c49 06other 10SHARD16/pubkeys registration of meroje on SHARD16
22:40 πŸ”— Meroje now on 2.6.4
22:41 πŸ”— Meroje welp
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23:00 πŸ”— Meroje still doing it, is it really using the git executable ?
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