#jsmess 2017-06-14,Wed

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SketchCowHEY
I'm in town to Monday
Short visit.
Anyone want to come to Friday Lunch?
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baiwon't be able to make it on friday unfortunately [19:17]
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SketchCowThis is a pretty packed time, unfortunately, but I'm back in July
Rachel is here and there's a friend's memorial for the weekend and she is in rough shape
I'm around today and tomorrow if you want to hang during business hours
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baihmm, don't think I'll be able to make it today either
oh well, I'll catch you in july
sorry to hear about rachel/your friend
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SketchCowI've uploaded SO MUCH SOFTWARE
https://archive.org/details/cdromsoftware?and%5B%5D=addeddate%3A2017-06%2A&sort=-publicdate&page=1
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bainice
I forget if we got iso mounting working or not
I mean I know we can with full download
but probably not with ranged support yet?
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SketchCowWe don't but we should think about all this [20:18]
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DFJustinso I've been doing some test compiles and webassembly is working well now in shipping browsers
apple2e runs fast enough to use the modern disk II emulation http://fos.textfiles.com/dfjustin/apple2e/apple2e/
jaguar and amiga are faster but not quite full speed yet fos.textfiles.com/dfjustin/jaguar/jaguar/ http://fos.textfiles.com/dfjustin/amiga/a500p/
as you would expect the speedup seems to be biggest on the things which were the most perversely slow compared to native, like amiga goes from like 18% to like 80%
not sure what the mobile situation is like but it may be time to look at switching
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baiI mean the biggest problem with using this stuff on mobile is inputs
arcade games just aren't playable with swipe and no buttons, heh
so I wouldn't be TOO concerned with mobile support of wasm, other than to be able to say "look it runs"
if we roll this out to IA it would be in addition to the asm.js builds though, we'd want automatic fallback for non-wasm browsers
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DFJustinfirefox and chrome have had it for a few versions now, does edge? [20:39]
JohnTalenWas looking at pcem. not so developer friendly. any actual documenation beyond make, ./pcem would help. [20:40]
DFJustinI mean having a fallback is obviously best but I'd be curious what the market penetration of non-wasm-capable browsers actually is [20:41]
baiI think edge supports it, ie11 doesn't, opera doesn't...
oh opera does support it
safari supports it as of a week ago
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DFJustinok so around 15% probably [20:46]
SketchCowI hope JohnTalen didn't di
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DFJustinunless it was in the last 9 minutes [20:50]
SketchCowOr there he is [20:54]
JohnTalenSketchCow: I am here!
pcem not to be confused with pce.
SketchCow: I sent the author of v86 a home made custom installed Windows 95 hard drive. He is using it to fix whatever bug is in v86.
I was thinking about converting qemu to emscripten. But it doesn't support netcards at the very least. I will focus on v86 and leave qmu secondary. If you need me to intergrate the ST version into emularity I can do that.
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SketchCowI think pce and v86 are good things to go after
all are a pain in the ass, which is why there are so few of us working on this
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JohnTalenAlso qemu doesn't officially support Windows 95/98.
SketchCow: yes you got that write. nothing solid in all areas. Qemu might be good post 98 like xp/2000.
Okay, I'll get the ST portion wrapped up into emularity then.
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baiJohnTalen: if the emulators don't do network cards but do serial port emulation, we can work with that at least [21:15]
JohnTalenbai: okay.
I tried video support for qemu and it works nicely, but using the same image in v86, not so much.
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SketchCowAnd for the record
There've been MULTIPLE cases of JSMESS/Emularity work driving innovation among emulators
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JohnTalenanalyzing v86 source tonight and tommorow morning, then porting ST emulation to emularity. [23:30]
SketchCowFantastic
Work with us if you get stuck
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db48xJohnTalen: I'll be esecially interested to hear your questions about integrating it with emularity once you've got it compiled
especially
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DFJustindb48x: have you looked into testing for webassembly support in emularity [23:45]
db48xDFJustin: if we build to wasm with emscripten, then the emularity kindof doesn't have to do anything
DFJustin: because the output is still mixed JS and wasm, and part of what the JS does is load the wasm
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DFJustinbut if we want to say "if wasm is available, load this js which loads the wasm, otherwise load this other js which is asm.js" [23:55]
db48xhmm [23:56]
DFJustinto allow for older browser versions / unsupported browsers [23:56]
JohnTalendb48x: What I'm wondering now is why pce-20170208-df19414 isn't already integrated since it is necessary for pce-mac emulation.
SketchCow: ok great. Thanks SketchCow!
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db48xJohnTalen: not integrated into what? [23:58]
JohnTalen*isn't already integrated into emularity...'.
that is, the project, on github.
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