#jsmess 2017-08-02,Wed

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SketchCowdb48x`: I have a question
Or more a "how do I do this"
Which is "how do I define for an Apple II item that the boot disk is in one drive and the disk in this item is in the other?
Specifically
https://archive.org/details/DualBootHelper_qkumba has been created to allow us to have a boot disk for Apple II floppies on the site.
It does smart things
Lets you get to cool stuff
I want to say "boot with DualBootHelper_qkumba/DualBootHelper_qkumba.dsk in the first floppy drive and with the other floppy in the rest."
This will make thousands of Apple II programs "do the right thing"
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db48xfor MAME we do something similar to dosbox
mame_peripheral_FOO, where foo is MAME's name for a peripheral
if I recall correctly, for an apple2 that would be flop1 and flop2
so mame_peripheral_flop1 and mame_peripheral_flop2
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SketchCowhttps://archive.org/details/a2_Lode_Runner_1983_Broderbund_cr_Surgeon
So, if I do this, I HAVE to set flop2, where before I didn't, right
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db48xyea, that looks right [00:34]
SketchCowFails out.
I'm setting up some test ones here, choosing a few across different realms
OK, so.
https://archive.org/details/3d0g_228a_Colossus_Chess_4.0
definitely fails out
At first I thought Lode Runner was freaking because it set ext_ to do and it's a .dsk and a .do
I assume that's meaningless to the IA system, as long as _ext is SET, it's not making ANY smart judgements
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SgeoOoh, Freeserv [00:38]
db48xI'll debug it later, but for the moment just try deleting emulator_ext entirely [00:38]
SketchCowSo Colossus Chess is more "normal" [00:38]
SgeoI might have use for a Freeserv disc [00:38]
SketchCowNo can do - can't remove _ext or it won't turn on the player.
So, https://archive.org/details/3d0g_228a_Colossus_Chess_4.0 is more close to the platonic "ideal"
It's a .dsk, it's definitely got the item, etc.
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db48xSketchCow: yea, that's something that should be fixed on IA's side; the loader definitely treats emulator_ext as optional [00:41]
SketchCowHank needed a way to know it was set - he could probably switch to just checking if "emulator" is set as well as type "software" [00:41]
db48xthat sounds reasonable
but like I said, I'll debug it later when I have more time
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SketchCowNo problem.
I'll play around a tad
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Definitely something goofy
1. You are correct, mame_peripheral_* has meaning
2. Setting the flop2 to something "wrong" makes it go red (good)
3. Setting flop2 to something "right" makes it load it, but then it all fails
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https://archive.org/details/3d0g_003a_Various_Games_and_Programs is an example of it working.
If I put it in as 2 floppies it kind of fails
If I set flop1 and flop2, as I have, it now works great.
But I had to put the boot floppy in the same item
Mame_peripheral_flop1 00_DualBootHelper_qkumba.dsk
Mame_peripheral_flop2 003a_Various_Games_and_Programs.dsk
So those set, it boots. but 00_Dual_Boot_helper.... needed to be in the item
Checking mac to see if I'm doing some botardation
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Nope, something is definitely weird.
So I'll leave the working example up and the broken one up
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DFJustinI wonder if it doesn't like flop1 being specified twice
like if the 'normal' loading process sets flop1 and then you
're also setting flop1 with this mame peripheral business
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SketchCowWell, https://archive.org/details/3d0g_003a_Various_Games_and_Programs works great
And that has flop1 and flop2 set
I'm sure it's something with the "load from this item" thing
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SketchCowIf I set mame_peripheral_* to itemname/itemimage, it fails. [01:37]
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Sgeo_Sgeo_ vaguely wonders if it's worthwhile to try to make a self-extracting EXE via WinZip for IA emulation purposes [03:34]
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SketchCowSo, it occurs to me with this flop1 knowledge, I COULD experiment with bundling up two-disk items [14:20]
DFJustinwhoah 1 gigabyte of chinese apple II [14:21]
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SketchCowYeah, a party [17:14]
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Sgeo_There's a disc I broke a long time ago, and I can't find a copy anywhere online
Should I buy a book just to get it and upload it somewhere?
BetaArchives wants, for membership, something they don't already have. Suspect that this CD might count, but can't be sure
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