#jsmess 2019-01-29,Tue

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00:15 🔗 dll I've got a bit of time now. I'
00:15 🔗 dll ... I'll see what I can do.
00:18 🔗 SketchCow Great
00:20 🔗 dll I've had to modify the build instructions a bit, in order to prevent linker errors when trying to link to X11. We'lll see how this goes...
00:30 🔗 dll https://www.dropbox.com/s/wxpkkoypzbohmzs/pce-macplus-from-DavidL-3.zip?dl=0
00:31 🔗 dll It seems to work with .dsk files, but further testing would be good
00:32 🔗 dll Fullscreen *is* working, too :-)
00:37 🔗 dll My dev machine crashed, so I'm not sure if this link came through: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wxpkkoypzbohmzs/pce-macplus-from-DavidL-3.zip?dl=0
00:47 🔗 SketchCow Uploading
00:48 🔗 SketchCow 1. The shuddering noise is fixed
00:49 🔗 SketchCow 2. The fullscreen works
00:53 🔗 SketchCow 3. It books the .dsk files
00:53 🔗 SketchCow So, let me know what credit you want, twitter link or name or what
00:54 🔗 dll Cool
00:54 🔗 dll Maybe my Twitter? @DavidLudwig
00:54 🔗 dll and/or name: David Ludwig
00:54 🔗 dll :-)
00:54 🔗 dll ... or not. I'm glad it's working!
00:56 🔗 dll On a similar, but different note, if+when y'all have time: why not use MAME for pre-OSX Mac emulation?
00:56 🔗 SketchCow Two main reasons.
00:56 🔗 SketchCow 1. Too slow
00:56 🔗 SketchCow 2. Clunky compared to the PCE-JS hack
00:57 🔗 SketchCow We'd love to get it working but the thing got really munched when emscripten compiles were attempted.
00:57 🔗 dll munched?
00:57 🔗 SketchCow It's on DFJustin's way too long list to take a look and see if an answer can be found.
00:57 🔗 SketchCow Yes, the emulation of the chipset of the more advanced machines for some reason turfs out when in emscriptenized versions.
00:57 🔗 SketchCow In general, we prefer the MAME approach, so it's all consolidated.
00:58 🔗 SketchCow But with some emulations, the alternate emulators are just zippier.
00:58 🔗 dll Fair
00:58 🔗 SketchCow The pce-js thing is like a hack beyond hack
00:58 🔗 SketchCow It does this crazy trick to make the mouse work, for example
00:58 🔗 SketchCow Totally rips the current mouse position and just hard-wires it, but your brain doesn't care.
00:59 🔗 SketchCow If you watched side by side, you'd go "ohhhh" regarding the way it moves to the original
00:59 🔗 dll Interesting
00:59 🔗 SketchCow In the beginning, we couldn't make sound work
00:59 🔗 SketchCow But it had the beep
00:59 🔗 SketchCow And so we knew it was in there
00:59 🔗 SketchCow At some point, James Friend was hanging
00:59 🔗 SketchCow And he goes "Oh, I just play a .wav when it starts"
00:59 🔗 SketchCow !!
00:59 🔗 SketchCow Later ones did actual emulation, we used those
01:00 🔗 dll Haha
01:00 🔗 SketchCow We want color very badly
01:00 🔗 dll Same here
01:00 🔗 SketchCow The hope had been PCE would upgrade
01:00 🔗 SketchCow But nooope
01:00 🔗 dll Do you remember how much slower MAME was, relative to PCE, roughly?
01:00 🔗 dll Like, very noticeably?
01:01 🔗 SketchCow http://www.hampa.ch/pce/
01:01 🔗 SketchCow Are you hoping to find a way to wedge it in
01:01 🔗 dll Hoping, yes. Will it work, <shrugs>.
01:01 🔗 SketchCow I mean, let's not wreck the new guy
01:01 🔗 SketchCow you did good work, take the W
01:02 🔗 SketchCow But if you want to talk to us about MAME as an emulator in the mess, I'm up for it
01:02 🔗 SketchCow The problem is, as soon as you go past powerPC you're sad mac
01:02 🔗 dll Will do. I might play around with Emscripten + MAME. If I get any results, I'll be back.
01:02 🔗 SketchCow DFJustin is your guy
01:02 🔗 dll I'd probably limit it to 68k emulation, though.
01:02 🔗 SketchCow He has the insider knowledge
01:02 🔗 dll Cool.
01:02 🔗 dll Thanks!
01:04 🔗 SketchCow Also, Josh's project is insane: https://www.v68k.org/advanced-mac-substitute/
01:12 🔗 dll I've seen that. It's impressive. :-)
01:12 🔗 SketchCow Mr. Friend just saw what we did
01:13 🔗 SketchCow Run for the hills, boy
01:13 🔗 SketchCow Don't keep the same habits, that's how he tracks you
01:13 🔗 SketchCow So, in terms of platforms currently unemulated at the archive, the top two are probably Mac color, and Windows 95.
01:14 🔗 SketchCow We have proof Windows 95/98 can be done, but we've never done all the hook work
01:14 🔗 dll What sort of stuff is involved in "hook work"?
01:15 🔗 SketchCow http://copy.sh/v86/?profile=windows98
01:15 🔗 dll Mouse cursor, I take it is one?
01:16 🔗 SketchCow Well, sort of
01:16 🔗 SketchCow So, most of this work on the MAME side is done
01:16 🔗 SketchCow I.e. if it's MAME, we generate the hooks pretty well.
01:17 🔗 SketchCow But when it's a brand new emulator, it's a little world of pain, can take a day or weeks.
01:17 🔗 SketchCow Just ask Sgeo who spent 3 weeks but damn if we don't have C64 emulation
01:17 🔗 SketchCow But Vice (a superior emulator to MAME in that platform) is worth the trouble
01:18 🔗 dll Interesting. c64's never been my forte. (pre-OSX MacOS, along with late-80s and early 90s OSes, though, get my nostalgia going. :-) )
01:20 🔗 dll (... and mostly on x86 hardware, with the exception of Macs)
01:20 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_c64_showcase
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07:22 🔗 shattered I hope to improve MAME emulation of Agat ("Soviet Apple ][") to the point it can be hosted on IA
07:22 🔗 shattered some fun stuff there
07:24 🔗 shattered f.e. this Alice in Wonderland fan translation - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbjEco-Lx_I
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18:43 🔗 pengan Here is another 68k Macintosh emscripten emulator, Mini vMac
18:43 🔗 pengan https://yksoft1.github.io/mvmacdemo.html
19:18 🔗 dll Ooooh, color
23:29 🔗 SketchCow is this yours, pengan
23:36 🔗 pengan no,it's not mine, it ported by yksoft1 https://github.com/yksoft1
23:36 🔗 SketchCow I mean, I'm shoving it in now
23:38 🔗 SketchCow Doing all the emulation garbanzo makes it pretty easy.
23:40 🔗 SketchCow - Shoved the bios into emularity_bios_ii
23:40 🔗 pengan Cool
23:41 🔗 pengan yksoft1 is not on IRC but he's on twitter https://twitter.com/yksoft1?lang=en
23:41 🔗 SketchCow Doesn't follow me. Heartbreaking
23:41 🔗 SketchCow I'm fascinating
23:41 🔗 SketchCow OK, I shoved in something called colormac as an emulator.
23:43 🔗 SketchCow Messing with colormac_test
23:45 🔗 SketchCow Bear in mind that due to the archive system slowly dealing with the incoming files, it's not going to work for a few minutes.
23:47 🔗 pengan yksoft1 is live in China and not connect to retro-computing community... Archive.org is also blocked by the great firewall....
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23:49 🔗 SketchCow I've asked db48x to make an appearance to get this working.
23:50 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/colormac_test feezes, could be a billion things
23:54 🔗 SketchCow I took out the peripherals directive
23:59 🔗 SketchCow Back to spam work, hopefully db48x and I can talk
23:59 🔗 pengan It seems need some modification to emularity

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